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Okay, I'll be sure to sugar coat anything I don't agree with from now on and make it sound pretty.Aimra said
I believe it means just that. You can see what wrong things may be righted or changed and work to change them - BUT - you do not down and degrade your country to do it.
Sheesh,
instead of doing extra security, mental screenings and what not, lets get back to the BASICS of rearing kids and teaching them to stay sane and respectful.
The problem is the shift from beat the hell out of your kids until they obeyed to the opposite, never spank your kid because it teaches them to be violent. In my parents generation, kids were expected to act like miniature adults even as 5 and 6 year olds when out in public. If you got out of line, Pa would tear into you on the spot. In that generation children feared their parents, fear turned into respect for all adults and others. If you didnt address your teachers as ma'am or sir, youd be looking at a good tongue lashing from the teacher and possibly a paddling. And on that note, kids NEVER wanted to get a paddling at school - not so much the fact they are getting paddled at school, its the fact that when they got home there would be hell to pay for. Belts were common disciplinary tools. We've either seen it in old movies or we actually lived it. That generation turned out to be a level headed generation for the most part. They knew WHY they were being disciplined - they got out of line and their parents were doing what they knew to do to raise you the best way they knew how.
My generation is the spoiled generation. Instead of being required to help out around the house, we are given TVs, video games, iPods, and whatnot to fill our free time. Instead of knowing the worth of a dollar in sweat, we only know what we can buy off the dollar menu at McDonald's. Our parents were fed the baloney by baby boomer pediatricians and other children specialists that if they didnt stop disciplining us so much we'd end up warped little idiots running around. So our parents backed off and believed that the soft catchee monkey was the best way to approach. Now there seems to be a NO DISCIPLINE policy going around that appearently I didnt get the memo for.
When my daughter acts out - I get onto her, discipline her, and show her the right way. She is 4 and knows better than to throw a fit but sometimes childish stupidity overrides and I have to step in again and again. Youre not going to cure a child of all future wrong doing with just one disciplinary session. It takes many over the course of YEARS. I want to teach her RESPECT, make sure she knows that it starts with respecting herself. I dont want her respecting me just because mom requires it. I want her to have a fearful respect of me, much the same way Christians have a fearful respect for God. But at the same time I tell her I love her, I tell her I care, that I will never leave her no matter what she does or decides to do. I want her to fear disrespecting me, and those around her. In turn people will respect her.
As for America being overrated - yes we are in some ways, but like anything else on this earth - its not a perfect specimen. Everything has its flaws and imperfections just as people do. Our idea of patriotism has changed over the decades. Has patriotism gone from feeling a sense of duty to serve your country in any way you can to just wearing a lapel on your shirtjacket and singing patriotic songs on Independence Day? If you want to see true Patriotism - go visit a nursing home and talk with a vet from WWII, they know patriotism, they lived it.
. . . For example. My husband teaches at the college level. He has had students come up to him not understanding the grade they received. He explains to them that they didn't come to class and didn't turn in all of their assignments and one of them said "the ones I didn't do shouldn't count against me, that is how it was at my high school". So, in other words that person only got graded on the work they turned in and if they didn't do the work the teachers just acted like they never assigned it to that student!!
And still other students think they should be graded solely on their effort, because thats what happened at their high school, and not the content of their papers they have written!! They won't finish the assignment and only do half and then expect a good grade because they "tried". Very sad really. These kids are in for a rude awakening in the real world . . .
well, i did not mean to offend amerians here....i didn't say YOU directly. the world got the impression that america's a better place to live. indeed, it is because of the freedom they get. i am very well aware there are much worse places out there in the world but i'm talking about the school shootings here. a FOURTEEN year old kid with a gun??? sure, he's got a troubled background. he didn't get much love from his parents. who should take the blame? parents? media? friends' influences? what? you tell me. if you really look closely, school shootings usually happen OFTEN in AMERICA. it's such a tragedy. kids care what they wear, what they have...if you don't have what they have, you suddenly become one of the uncool kids. the pressure is on. self esteem hits rock bottom. anger takes over. violence begins. *shakes head in disgust* one word: spoiled. they should feel fortunate to have things that many poor children don't normally get. isn't freedom enough for them? apparently not...
Okay, I'll be sure to sugar coat anything I don't agree with from now on and make it sound pretty.
Many Americans, and I'm sure people in other countries, feel entitled because everything has been handed to them and they just expect that to continue. If someone doesn't get their way they act out and unfortunately sometimes those people have access to weapons.
My husband teaches at the college level. He has had students come up to him not understanding the grade they received. He explains to them that they didn't come to class and didn't turn in all of their assignments and one of them said "the ones I didn't do shouldn't count against me, that is how it was at my high school". So, in other words that person only got graded on the work they turned in and if they didn't do the work the teachers just acted like they never assigned it to that student!!
And still other students think they should be graded solely on their effort, because thats what happened at their high school, and not the content of their papers they have written!! They won't finish the assignment and only do half and then expect a good grade because they "tried". Very sad really. These kids are in for a rude awakening in the real world.
My point is that violence is everywhere, yes even out in the country although at lesser rate so don't knock on a certain country.
I won't be susprise if shoot out at deaf school someday.
For example. My husband teaches at the college level. He has had students come up to him not understanding the grade they received. He explains to them that they didn't come to class and didn't turn in all of their assignments and one of them said "the ones I didn't do shouldn't count against me, that is how it was at my high school". So, in other words that person only got graded on the work they turned in and if they didn't do the work the teachers just acted like they never assigned it to that student!!
And still other students think they should be graded solely on their effort, because thats what happened at their high school, and not the content of their papers they have written!! They won't finish the assignment and only do half and then expect a good grade because they "tried". Very sad really. These kids are in for a rude awakening in the real world.
Aimra,
I'm an older-than-average university student and I concur with what you said, although none of my professors ever said what your husband has. I'm reminded of a couple people on AD and their grammar: Sara1981 and TweetyBird. Granted, we post here because it's fun, but at the same time, many of us have not met each other in person and yes, (first) impressions do and still count. Just because we're deaf doesn't mean we have to write as if we don't have a brain in our head. But at the same time, this isn't scholarly work. However, we should take as much pride in our writing, business or pleasure, to make ourselves look good and respectable, 100 percent of the time.
Granted, we post here because it's fun, but at the same time, many of us have not met each other in person and yes, (first) impressions do and still count. Just because we're deaf doesn't mean we have to write as if we don't have a brain in our head. But at the same time, this isn't scholarly work. However, we should take as much pride in our writing, business or pleasure, to make ourselves look good and respectable, 100 percent of the time.
Not every single person in the US is going to have perfect English grammar and syntax,
You're right.As for turning in assignments and taking exams on time - the only way I could forsee a professor letting it slide were for two reasons: 1.) You're in the hospital or 2.) a death in the family. Anything else and I would fully expect them to fail you on the assignment and/or the test. But if you KNOW you're not going to be in class on a certain day - ALWAYS hand in the assignment early and ask your professor if you can come in after class one day and take the test early. This way they will be more lenient if something did crop up at the last minute forcing you to miss. You have to absolutely treat college like a job. You have to give 100% or your'e simply not going to make it.
Sheesh,
instead of doing extra security, mental screenings and what not, lets get back to the BASICS of rearing kids and teaching them to stay sane and respectful.
The problem is the shift from beat the hell out of your kids until they obeyed to the opposite, never spank your kid because it teaches them to be violent. In my parents generation, kids were expected to act like miniature adults even as 5 and 6 year olds when out in public. If you got out of line, Pa would tear into you on the spot. In that generation children feared their parents, fear turned into respect for all adults and others. If you didnt address your teachers as ma'am or sir, youd be looking at a good tongue lashing from the teacher and possibly a paddling. And on that note, kids NEVER wanted to get a paddling at school - not so much the fact they are getting paddled at school, its the fact that when they got home there would be hell to pay for. Belts were common disciplinary tools. We've either seen it in old movies or we actually lived it. That generation turned out to be a level headed generation for the most part. They knew WHY they were being disciplined - they got out of line and their parents were doing what they knew to do to raise you the best way they knew how.
My generation is the spoiled generation. Instead of being required to help out around the house, we are given TVs, video games, iPods, and whatnot to fill our free time. Instead of knowing the worth of a dollar in sweat, we only know what we can buy off the dollar menu at McDonald's. Our parents were fed the baloney by baby boomer pediatricians and other children specialists that if they didnt stop disciplining us so much we'd end up warped little idiots running around. So our parents backed off and believed that the soft catchee monkey was the best way to approach. Now there seems to be a NO DISCIPLINE policy going around that appearently I didnt get the memo for.
When my daughter acts out - I get onto her, discipline her, and show her the right way. She is 4 and knows better than to throw a fit but sometimes childish stupidity overrides and I have to step in again and again. Youre not going to cure a child of all future wrong doing with just one disciplinary session. It takes many over the course of YEARS. I want to teach her RESPECT, make sure she knows that it starts with respecting herself. I dont want her respecting me just because mom requires it. I want her to have a fearful respect of me, much the same way Christians have a fearful respect for God. But at the same time I tell her I love her, I tell her I care, that I will never leave her no matter what she does or decides to do. I want her to fear disrespecting me, and those around her. In turn people will respect her.
As for America being overrated - yes we are in some ways, but like anything else on this earth - its not a perfect specimen. Everything has its flaws and imperfections just as people do. Our idea of patriotism has changed over the decades. Has patriotism gone from feeling a sense of duty to serve your country in any way you can to just wearing a lapel on your shirtjacket and singing patriotic songs on Independence Day? If you want to see true Patriotism - go visit a nursing home and talk with a vet from WWII, they know patriotism, they lived it.
youre right about this society being messed up, but to say these things only happen in the US is either ignorant or very naive.another school shooting...
4 wounded, 1 gunman dead...
in cleveland, ohio
FOXNews.com - 5 Hospitalized After Cleveland High School Shooting - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
the gunman was only 14...
and in case you haven't noticed...
only happen in america...
makes you wonder, huh?
let's come to think of it...there are million of poor children living in poorest countries. they have nothing but food, water, and clothes...yet, there are so much love among each other. in america, children get so much more than they really need. competition comes next--who has the best. then hate is formed. pathetic, huh?
This wouldn't have happened if the school would pay more attention to these warning signs, ( withdrawal, or feelings of isolation and rejection, bullied or teased, sad , anger and verbal threats ) and if you noticed many of the school shooters have difficult family life and problems with depression and anger and when a child was crying out, and they chose to ignore it instead of helping this child out and if you see a disturbing drawings from a child then you know something is wrong, why ignore it and thinking nothing is wrong?
How many more chidren have to die before the school finally looked into this? I'm tired of hearing every time one of these shootings occurs someone says "OMG something wrong with this child", give me a break, these warning warning were shown the whole time but they choose to ignored them...
The school needs to start focusing on these children and pay more attention to these red flags otherwise they're going to face more children dying in their hands...
Oh wow. That is so true!!!! My husband had me look over some of his kids papers (they were freshmen) and some of them were just terrible. And these are kids who have spoken and written in English their whole lives. They didn't know how to properly use words or make sentences. Not all of them were bad but several of them made me question how they graduated from high school and got into college!
You're right.
I've always found that most professors will give you some leniency if you are up front about an absence or are sincere in need an extension on an assignment. They just want to know you're really trying and not blowing off their class or their assignments to sleep in or go out to parties.
However . . . Aimra, my university Minnesota State University Moorhead - Write Site has a place called "The Write Site" (look at link) and my first year here (2002), people come into my classes to explain the place. Those were for either English or writing classes that I was taking at the time. One class that is required is called technical writing, which I did very well in and, since then, has improved my writing dramatically. I'm now writing on the side as a hobby, as well as a reporter. Do I like writing is equal to asking me if I like having my hearing dog, Snickers with me all the time. The answer is a resounding "Yes!" But, I'm also my own worst critic and edit EVERYTHING I write. Not only do I use the proofing tools (spell check, grammar check, format check), but I also read everything at the same time.
In an earlier post (above), I shouldn't have said the others run home to be with their mommies and over exaggerated it, but I think you and everyone else gets the idea. For those who were offended, I apologize.