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[CSign]

Cued Speech... wow... just wow..... I just felt like I woke up on the wrong side of bed. What a foul way to start my morning...

I cannot believe CSign would even suggest it as part of options. You acknowledged that SEE I is ineffective and obsolete after we pointed it out for you... Cued Speech is even worse than SEE I.

Do you even know what you're talking about, CSign?

You didn't have to point it out for me. I stated early in one of the other threads that SEE I was a moot point, and not effective. Many (intentionally or not) said/implied I was using SEE I which I wasn't.

 

[Jiro]

Jiro, hate to say it, but you're being a tool, again. If hearingaidmama is indeed legit, since she specifically asked about contacts with hearing parents with HoH kids, then CSign's input is perfectly within bounds.

You're one of those creating the mess. Why not just say your bit and leave the personal attacks on other people out of it?

umad?

You didn't have to point it out for me. I stated early in one of the other threads that SEE I was a moot point, and not effective. Many (intentionally or not) said/implied I was using SEE I which I wasn't.

umad? btw - this thread is not about you.

 

[Beach girl]

umad?

Me not mad, no.

I'm just disappointed. This thread isn't about CSign, and it sure isn't about you and your grudges against CSign, either. If you've got something worthwhile to say about parenting a deaf or HoH child, then say it. You don't have to tear down someone else because her opinion isn't yours.

I can't wait, Jiro, for you to have kids and have someone tell you that you're doing it aaalllll wrong. I'd love to be a fly on the wall for THAT conversation!

And guaranteed, someone will tell you you're doing it wrong, whether it's bottle vs. breast, onesies vs. two-piece jammies, disposables (BAD for the environment!), vs. washables (BAD because of water used to wash them!) and on and on.

Everyone's got an opinion. Someone asking for advice can sift through said opinions and decide what makes sense.

Since you are not the one, in this thread, asking for advice, why not just speak your OWN opinion from your perspective as a deaf child, and the OP can decide what to take from it.

I say this in friendship, not in anger. You are one of the few who have actually given me practical advice here (re: buying the Dry-Aid kit), so I'm not by any means saying you should shut up, or anything like that. Just quit the constant antagonizing, that's all I'm saying.

 

[Jiro]

Me not mad, no.

I'm just disappointed. This thread isn't about CSign, and it sure isn't about you and your grudges against CSign, either. If you've got something worthwhile to say about parenting a deaf or HoH child, then say it. You don't have to tear down someone else because her opinion isn't yours.

I can't wait, Jiro, for you to have kids and have someone tell you that you're doing it aaalllll wrong. I'd love to be a fly on the wall for THAT conversation!

And guaranteed, someone will tell you you're doing it wrong, whether it's bottle vs. breast, onesies vs. two-piece jammies, disposables (BAD for the environment!), vs. washables (BAD because of water used to wash them!) and on and on.

You don't have to hope for it. by participating in threads - I expect it and I welcome it. I definitely know I will be raising my kids that will make people and even my future wife

Everyone's got an opinion. Someone asking for advice can sift through said opinions and decide what makes sense.

simple - I don't have to get involved in threads and continue drama like this. I'll just simply leave. and this is not the first time nor only forum that I've gotten flak for my stance. If a person just don't not know when to stop... well... there's a very good chance that this person has a serious underlying issue which was manifested from several years of abuse (mentally and/or physically).

Since you are not the one, in this thread, asking for advice, why not just speak your OWN opinion from your perspective as a deaf child, and the OP can decide what to take from it.

we already did in other threads. and what happened? it turned into a circus. now this thread has turned into circus too. See the patterns? It begins with just one person. AD has been around for several years. We get this kind of "career troll/drama queen" once in a while. Thanks god that it's usually short-lived.

I say this in friendship, not in anger. You are one of the few who have actually given me practical advice here (re: buying the Dry-Aid kit), so I'm not by any means saying you should shut up, or anything like that. Just quit the constant antagonizing, that's all I'm saying.

I understand and I get ya. no hard feeling because I'm incapable of holding a grudge. I'm a Buddhist!

 

[Daredevel7]

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I can't wait, Jiro, for you to have kids and have someone tell you that you're doing it aaalllll wrong. I'd love to be a fly on the wall for THAT conversation!

And guaranteed, someone will tell you you're doing it wrong, whether it's bottle vs. breast, onesies vs. two-piece jammies, disposables (BAD for the environment!), vs. washables (BAD because of water used to wash them!) and on and on.

Everyone's got an opinion. Someone asking for advice can sift through said opinions and decide what makes sense.

I understand where you are coming from. This is a very common argument with hearing parents when it comes to deaf education. A lot of them seem to perceive the choices of what to do for their child in terms of education/methodology to be similar to parental choices like

- Private school vs public school
- Raised with religion vs without
- Force them to do sports or refuse to allow them to do sports
- Make them do extracurricular activities to boost their "resume"
- Teach them sex ed at a young age

And so on.

I'm sure the people here on AD have their own opinions (maybe even strong ones) on the choices I stated above, but I am willing bet that most, if not all, wouldn't really care what you do with your child on those choices. So why specifically deaf education? Why are they so adamant on dismissing the "there is no one right way to raise a child" theory?

Simple. Those choices stated above have not affected them greatly one way or the other. They probably have thought "Man, it would have been so much better if I went to a public school instead.", then moved on.

Obviously, a lot of deaf people have been affected so greatly that they feel the need to stop parents from doing what has been done to them (or what they have seen). I must admit, sometimes (maybe even most of the time) the high road is not taken. Things are not verbalized well, communication is sometimes ineffective, and so on. That's what usually happens when emotions run high. And not just from deaf people but also hearing parents who just have been told what they have been doing is completely and utterly wrong to the borderline of child abuse, especially when everything seems to be going right.

 

[jillio]

I've given you all the answers, it's obvious that even if I were to want to continue here I wouldn't be able to.

I hope you all realize that you are all nothing but a bunch of freakin bullies, outing anyone who thinks slightly different from you, especially to people who are hearing and GASP!! have a child who is HOH.

You all insult me for the knowledge I don't yet know even though I have stated many times my intention was to learn from you all.

You have all rattled me to the point of leaving. Continue in your little pig sty of a group and run out anyone who thinks differently than you.

I pity you who are so closeminded to think that you're approach is the only correct approach. Like I've said before if this is the community as a whole that my daughter will be entering into in the coming years. God freakin help us all! Jaded isn't a strong enought word.

You sound just like someone else we know!

Your daughter no doubt will not be entering the Deaf community for several years and once she is out from under your control.

Well, looks like so much for your willingness to learn about different approaches and listening to what the Deaf have to say about living life as a deaf child. :roll: You have just confirmed how closed minded and bigoted you truly are.

 

[jillio]

I'm more than willing to meet you and your daughter in person for some cheesesteak. or Dutch Amish food. Like I said before - I frequent to Philly.

What do you want to bet that invite will never be accepted?

 

[jillio]

Seems like HAMama's request pretty explicitly includes someone like CSign, whose child is also an HA user, and her input would be as welcomed as Jillio's whose involvement as yet another hearing mom with a deaf child using HAs you didn't seem to object to. Why don't you just let anyone who wants to respond do so without your attempts at censoring them and allow HAMama to filter what input makes sense to her or not?

Welcome, HearingAid Mama.

When it comes to being a deaf child, only the Deaf adults have the answers. I don't, you don't, God knows CSign doesn't. No hearing parent does. That is why I let the deaf speak on this topic. If I say anything at all, it is in agreement with the Deaf perspective and based on what they have taught me.

 

[jillio]

Me not mad, no.

I'm just disappointed. This thread isn't about CSign, and it sure isn't about you and your grudges against CSign, either. If you've got something worthwhile to say about parenting a deaf or HoH child, then say it. You don't have to tear down someone else because her opinion isn't yours.

I can't wait, Jiro, for you to have kids and have someone tell you that you're doing it aaalllll wrong. I'd love to be a fly on the wall for THAT conversation!

And guaranteed, someone will tell you you're doing it wrong, whether it's bottle vs. breast, onesies vs. two-piece jammies, disposables (BAD for the environment!), vs. washables (BAD because of water used to wash them!) and on and on.

Everyone's got an opinion. Someone asking for advice can sift through said opinions and decide what makes sense.

Since you are not the one, in this thread, asking for advice, why not just speak your OWN opinion from your perspective as a deaf child, and the OP can decide what to take from it.

I say this in friendship, not in anger. You are one of the few who have actually given me practical advice here (re: buying the Dry-Aid kit), so I'm not by any means saying you should shut up, or anything like that. Just quit the constant antagonizing, that's all I'm saying.

Jiro can give more advice regarding the parenting of a deaf child than any hearing parent, myself included, can. He was a deaf child. No one knows the needs of a deaf child in the way a Deaf adult who has been there does. Want to know about what your deaf child experieces daily? Ask a Deaf adult. Want to know what accomodations are beneficial for a deaf child? Ask a Deaf adult. Want to know what deaf children need and want? Ask a Deaf adult. Hearing experts certainly can't provide that information. Other hearing parents, unless they are sharing what Deaf adults have shared with them, can't provide that information. Deaf adults, or deaf adolescents, are the only ones that can give an accurate picture of what it is to be a deaf child.

If one truly wants to learn what their deaf child needs or what their deaf child experiences listens to what the Deaf adults have to say. One that only wants their own hearing perspective validated as the best thing to do for a deaf child negates what the Deaf adults have to say, get overly defensive, and plays the victim card.

 

[Banjo]

Jiro can give more advice regarding the parenting of a deaf child than any hearing parent, myself included, can. He was a deaf child. No one knows the needs of a deaf child in the way a Deaf adult who has been there does. Want to know about what your deaf child experieces daily? Ask a Deaf adult. Want to know what accomodations are beneficial for a deaf child? Ask a Deaf adult. Want to know what deaf children need and want? Ask a Deaf adult. Hearing experts certainly can't provide that information. Other hearing parents, unless they are sharing what Deaf adults have shared with them, can't provide that information. Deaf adults, or deaf adolescents, are the only ones that can give an accurate picture of what it is to be a deaf child.

If one truly wants to learn what their deaf child needs or what their deaf child experiences listens to what the Deaf adults have to say. One that only wants their own hearing perspective validated as the best thing to do for a deaf child negates what the Deaf adults have to say, get overly defensive, and plays the victim card.

Well said.

 

[deafskeptic]

Jiro can give more advice regarding the parenting of a deaf child than any hearing parent, myself included, can. He was a deaf child. No one knows the needs of a deaf child in the way a Deaf adult who has been there does. Want to know about what your deaf child experieces daily? Ask a Deaf adult. Want to know what accomodations are beneficial for a deaf child? Ask a Deaf adult. Want to know what deaf children need and want? Ask a Deaf adult. Hearing experts certainly can't provide that information. Other hearing parents, unless they are sharing what Deaf adults have shared with them, can't provide that information. Deaf adults, or deaf adolescents, are the only ones that can give an accurate picture of what it is to be a deaf child.

If one truly wants to learn what their deaf child needs or what their deaf child experiences listens to what the Deaf adults have to say. One that only wants their own hearing perspective validated as the best thing to do for a deaf child negates what the Deaf adults have to say, get overly defensive, and plays the victim card.

 

[Beach girl]

Then I guess it's a good thing that in the posting to which Jillio responded, I explicitly, at least twice, ENCOURAGED Jiro to give his opinion about parenting, from his perspective of having been a deaf child.

It's the personal attacks that I was lamenting as being unnecessary.

 

[GrendelQ]

Jiro can give more advice regarding the parenting of a deaf child than any hearing parent, myself included, can. He was a deaf child. No one knows the needs of a deaf child in the way a Deaf adult who has been there does. Want to know about what your deaf child experieces daily? Ask a Deaf adult. Want to know what accomodations are beneficial for a deaf child? Ask a Deaf adult. Want to know what deaf children need and want? Ask a Deaf adult. Hearing experts certainly can't provide that information. Other hearing parents, unless they are sharing what Deaf adults have shared with them, can't provide that information. Deaf adults, or deaf adolescents, are the only ones that can give an accurate picture of what it is to be a deaf child.

If one truly wants to learn what their deaf child needs or what their deaf child experiences listens to what the Deaf adults have to say. One that only wants their own hearing perspective validated as the best thing to do for a deaf child negates what the Deaf adults have to say, get overly defensive, and plays the victim card.

Very good point. I'll keep this in mind. I probably should have taken the advice of the young Chinese woman at the grocery store in Nanchang who was so insistent that that we purchase a particular formula against the advice of the American pediatrician traveling with us: because she was a Chinese child, only she could have really known how to raise a Chinese child. That formula was recalled after scores of children died in the region, but I'm sure she knew better than the so-called professionals.

In fact, this is something Deaf parents of hearing kids can take to heart, too. You can't trust your own knowledge of your children. Disregard the advice of those "professionals" you know who are Deaf. If you have educational placement questions, concerns about developing language, social issues, just reach out to the 18 year old Hearing college student mowing your lawn, or the Hearing guy with some time to kill at the bus station.

Want to know about what your hearing child experiences daily? Ask a Hearing adult. Want to know what hearing children need and want? Ask a hearing adult. Deaf experts certainly can't provide that information. Other Deaf parents, unless they are sharing what Hearing adults have shared with them, can't provide that information. Hearing adults, or hearing adolescents, are the only ones that can give an accurate picture of what it is to be a hearing child. Don't ask other Deaf parents for their advice, Don't contact Deaf professionals: ask the adolescent next door how you should raise your hearing child.

 

[jillio]

Well, I am certain that Jiro will rest much easier knowing that he has your encouragement in doing what he already does.

But seriously...it is strange that you seem to be blind to the personal attacks coming from the other direction. It is always the Deaf that you accuse of attacking the hearing.

It seems to be a generally accepted hearing perspective that correcting another's error is a personal attack.

 

[GrendelQ]

I happen to like a lot of what Jiro posts. My comment has nothing to do with his input as a Deaf man, but everything to do with your advice as a Hearing parent.

 

[Beach girl]

Oh, really? Hmmm.... I recall someone, gosh, can't quite remember the name, who got really bent out of shape when a spelling error was pointed out and seemed to think it was a personal attack...

(Edited to add: this is in response to Jillio, above.)

 

[jillio]

Very good point. I'll keep this in mind. I probably should have taken the advice of the young Chinese woman at the grocery store in Nanchang who was so insistent that that we purchase a particular formula against the advice of the American pediatrician traveling with us: because she was a Chinese child, only she could have really known how to raise a Chinese child. That formula was recalled after scores of children died in the region, but I'm sure she knew better than the so-called professionals.

In fact, this is something Deaf parents of hearing kids can take to heart, too. You can't trust your own knowledge of your children. Disregard the advice of those "professionals" you know who are Deaf. If you have educational placement questions, concerns about developing language, social issues, just reach out to the 18 year old Hearing college student mowing your lawn, or the Hearing guy with some time to kill at the bus station.

Want to know about what your hearing child experiences daily? Ask a Hearing adult. Want to know what hearing children need and want? Ask a hearing adult. Deaf experts certainly can't provide that information. Other Deaf parents, unless they are sharing what Hearing adults have shared with them, can't provide that information. Hearing adults, or hearing adolescents, are the only ones that can give an accurate picture of what it is to be a hearing child. Don't ask other Deaf parents for their advice, Don't contact Deaf professionals: ask the adolescent next door how you should raise your hearing child.

You just get a big old kick out of twisting and turning posts, don't you? But hey, that's okay. Everyone recognizes that is what you are doing, just the same as they recognize your sneaky and covert insults to the Deaf community. You really should tend to that nastiness that has been falling out all over the place recently.

Since you have nothing to contribute, it is safe to assume that your only purpose here tonight is to attempt to start dissention. Truly sad that you need to do that on a daily basis here to feel better about yourself.

 

[Jiro]

Very good point. I'll keep this in mind. I probably should have taken the advice of the young Chinese woman at the grocery store in Nanchang who was so insistent that that we purchase a particular formula against the advice of the American pediatrician traveling with us: because she was a Chinese child, only she could have really known how to raise a Chinese child. That formula was recalled after scores of children died in the region, but I'm sure she knew better than the so-called professionals.

In fact, this is something Deaf parents of hearing kids can take to heart, too. You can't trust your own knowledge of your children. Disregard the advice of those "professionals" you know who are Deaf. If you have educational placement questions, concerns about developing language, social issues, just reach out to the 18 year old Hearing college student mowing your lawn, or the Hearing guy with some time to kill at the bus station.

Want to know about what your hearing child experiences daily? Ask a Hearing adult. Want to know what hearing children need and want? Ask a hearing adult. Deaf experts certainly can't provide that information. Other Deaf parents, unless they are sharing what Hearing adults have shared with them, can't provide that information. Hearing adults, or hearing adolescents, are the only ones that can give an accurate picture of what it is to be a hearing child. Don't ask other Deaf parents for their advice, Don't contact Deaf professionals: ask the adolescent next door how you should raise your hearing child.

sarcasm. love it. I actually chuckled.

Sorry but your Nanchang example doesn't work in here and I don't even need to explain it because I know you know why

 

[Banjo]

A poor attempt at sarcasm.

 

[Jiro]

I happen to like a lot of what Jiro posts. My comment has nothing to do with his input as a Deaf man, but everything to do with your advice as a Hearing parent.

even though her advice is in agreement with many deaf people?