9-1-1 is not required to answer calls

diehardbiker said:
Your DEAD wrong, Jiro is right. Its about location, location, location!

If you live in farm areas, don't expect much of responder service available. Image a small town like bakers WVA, which is nice small town, with low taxes and they got only 1 ambulance available, perhaps 2 fire trucks available for entire town, suppose the very same morning 3 guys at different locations got heart attack, and there was 5 different houses in different location within town got fire, what can that town 911 dispatcher do? Had it happened? You can bet your fat azz on it!

Sometimes small town have very limit pool of people with training and experience comparing to like DC/MD/VA, NYC, LA where they got training centers and training maintenance programs. It is not illegal to provide limited trained personnel in emergency situation, because there was not enough available, that is where loophole law is. Have one that can help something better than nothing.

NOT everywhere they got full equipment.

Again, your STILL dead wrong, Jiro STILL right on this one.
Click to expand...

there will be neighbors or local people who are CPR-certified and have some EMT/FD trainings.

but yes you're right that many rescue volunteers do not always have equipments. just pretty much basic equipments and some of this and that. the amount of equipments and trainings are pretty much dependent on the size of town and location. they do receive federal funding if local funding is not enough and its location is vital.
 
diehardbiker said:
crazypaul, lets put this way.

You believe in law, by 100%, thats alright. You came along with me and you refused to take gun. I got gun up in my sleeve, and no it is not for you buddy!
We got lost in middle of mountain, a bear attacked you and destroyed your dumbphone, the only dumbphone we have. Bam! Oh that was the sound I just shot the bear that just attacked you. He is now dead... Oh golly! your bleeding badly from the bear attack. Well, unfortunately I am not certified medical responder, and you believe in the law that one requires certified so I am out of option. Your gonna dead in just few minutes, or you rather having me breaking the law to save you eh?.

How does this gonna help 911 deliver the emergency responding service in that scenario?
Click to expand...

you should help him with a good conscience even if you don't have any medical training... beside - the Good Samaritan law would protect you from lawsuits.

and it is assumed that when people go to remote areas - they do have basic medical training. if you're smart enough to carry a weapon with you because of wild animals... then you should be smart enough to carry some first aids kit as well as receive basic medical training.
 
diehardbiker said:
ONLY if that injured person has a way to make call to 911. If they don't have a way, or a dead battery, they are as good as F....k.d up. That's why 911 can not call every damn calls.
Click to expand...

huh? how are you gonna call 911 if your phone is dead? that's not the same as 911 not requiring to answer your call :confused:
 
CrazyPaul said:
I asked how it works when you call 911 if you are badly injured somewhere in the mountain. You didn't answer it. Let me answer it for you, DieEasyBiker. When rescue crews come to you by a helicopter, they put a neck support on your neck to prevent spine damages getting worse and other stuffs. Right? That means they are trained. I don't care how early or late they show up. My first quote you posted had nothing to do with that but you argued with me about that. WTF?
Click to expand...

yea - those helicopter rescue crews.... they're HIIIIGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHLLLLLLLYYYYY trained. the elite.

I don't think I've ever heard of any rescue squads with no training and certifications. that would probably be illegal and it's just asking for a very costly lawsuit.
 
diehardbiker said:
And I forgot to mention, if you go up to real NORTH EAST of Maine, there is NOTHING out there. If you get injured up there the waiting time to get emergency response, it will be forever! Its called unchartered territory, meaning that there is zero government involvement except Federal. No cops, no firemen, no nothing up there.
Click to expand...

that's where Coast Guard comes in. and Park Rangers.
 
diehardbiker said:
In middle of nowhere! I had blast time up there. There was sign up there that your on own once you past that point.
Click to expand...

no.

was it an extended backpacking trip? or some RV trip? one time?
 
diehardbiker said:
In unchartered territories, have coast guard? Your funny! These place isn't a park, therefore no park ranger exists!
Click to expand...

maybe you forgot...

diehardbiker said:
And I forgot to mention, if you go up to real NORTH EAST of Maine, there is NOTHING out there. If you get injured up there the waiting time to get emergency response, it will be forever! Its called unchartered territory, meaning that there is zero government involvement except Federal. No cops, no firemen, no nothing up there.
Click to expand...

guess who?
 
Camping, no RV. some spots access only with 4x4. Completely wilderness. What a fun and blast time. GPS not working, I haven't tested 911 but there was no coverage, my pager shows X most of the time, image it was verizon! All my friends and my wife smartphone gets no signal at all.

Jiro said:
no.

was it an extended backpacking trip? or some RV trip? one time?
Click to expand...
 
Fed govt only involves when there was serious crime, for instance, it is STILL illegal to murder somebody up there. If it was murder, US government will take over.

There is no cop, no fireman, no EMT, no nothing up there. No mayor, no government office up there.

Have you been up there before? If not, STFU and check out yourself before you blast at me.


Jiro said:
maybe you forgot...



guess who?
Click to expand...
 
diehardbiker said:
Camping, no RV. some spots access only with 4x4. Completely wilderness. What a fun and blast time. GPS not working, I haven't tested 911 but there was no coverage, my pager shows X most of the time, image it was verizon! All my friends and my wife smartphone gets no signal at all.
Click to expand...

ever heard of Iridium?
 
diehardbiker said:
Fed govt only involves when there was serious crime, for instance, it is STILL illegal to murder somebody up there. If it was murder, US government will take over.

There is no cop, no fireman, no EMT, no nothing up there. No mayor, no government office up there.

Have you been up there before? If not, STFU and check out yourself before you blast at me.
Click to expand...

if you've managed to find a "civilization" for help because for example your friend fell off a cliff and he survived the fall but he's seriously injured.... guess who will come to help? most likely Park Ranger, Coast Guard, and/or SAR.
 
Not going to continue argue with somebody that don't have experience or not been there.

:iough:
 
diehardbiker said:
You think I have satellite communication smartphone, eh? Not everybody got them.
Click to expand...

because you drove there and camped out there. city slicker style. :roll:

the hardcore people who hike and camp there for weeks or even months.. they do have satellite phone or SPOT.
 
diehardbiker said:
Not going to continue argue with somebody that don't have experience or not been there.

:iough:
Click to expand...

and not gonna continue to argue with someone who have no knowledge of rescue stuff we have for that kind of scenario. you can't even answer my hypothetical question. are you seriously telling me that NOBODY is gonna come rescue your friend in middle of nowhere if you drove to the nearest civilization for help?

better look up SAR.
 
Back
Top