100% sinless person

[Levonian]

Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful—just stupid).

~Robert A. Heinlein

100% without sin here.

 

[webexplorer]

Gee - I have to correct again - there's no such an apple in the bible, only it stated that it was a fruit. *chuckles*

Isn't the bible a biggest fraud in the history?! Finally, you discovered and solved the mystery! That bible tricked and brainwashed us for hundreds or thousands of years! Wow! That's something new today. Thanks!, CyberRed.

 

[apathrev]

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Pardon the garble. That was just me banging my head repeatedly against the keyboard out of frustration.

Miss. P, why don't you find yourself a hobby or something?

Romans 5:12

2Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned—

 

[Reba]

The Catholic doctrine of Immaculate Conception of Mary:

"In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary "in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin."

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm

That means, Catholics believe that Mary was also free of sin, that she was conceived and born without original sin.

 

[Reba]

Isn't the bible a biggest fraud in the history?! Finally, you discovered and solved the mystery! That bible tricked and brainwashed us for hundreds or thousands of years! Wow! That's something new today. Thanks!, CyberRed.

I don't know what you mean. CyberRed was just correcting the use of the word "apple" for the fruit that tempted Eve. The Bible never called the fruit "apple"--that is someones' mistranslation. It is a "fruit".

 

[Cheri]

100 percent sinless? What type of question is that?

We all sins and Jesus the only one who is not a sinner, and He died a painful death for our sins.

It's very impossible not to sin. If anyone says they are a sinless, I don't believe it.

 

[webexplorer]

I don't know what you mean. CyberRed was just correcting the use of the word "apple" for the fruit that tempted Eve. The Bible never called the fruit "apple"--that is someones' mistranslation. It is a "fruit".

You might be right, but there are many fruits that they mentioned in the old days. Adam and Eve were punished just because he ate the specific fruit which called apple. I may be fooled to say that, but maybe the Bible writer might have made up a story about Eve and Adam because he did not mention a word apple in the book. There are some pictures in the book of Eve holding an apple from a tree with a snake on the tree. (I am not sure if the snake was in the picture.) I find that interesting. It looks that there is a conflict story. I am not here to insult you for your religious belief. I respect your religious. Many people read their Bible which is exact the information with no mistranslation the difference between apple and fruit. If it says a fruit, why can't he write the exact information what has happened to Eve in that day when he picked a fruit from the tree. Which fruit did Eve picked? Lemon? Orange? Avocado? Peach? Apricot?

 

[Levonian]

If it says a fruit, why can't he write the exact information what has happened to Eve in that day when he picked a fruit from the tree. Which fruit did Eve picked? Lemon? Orange? Avocado? Peach? Apricot?

Wiki is your friend.

Although the "forbidden fruit" in the book of Genesis is not identified, popular European Christian tradition has held that it was an apple that Eve incited Adam to share with her. This tradition was probably solidified by artistic renderings of the fall from Eden featuring an apple as the most readily available fruit to artists. The influence of the antiquity was still strong, and the pagan symbology was absorbed into the new religion. The larynx in the human throat has been called Adam's apple because of a notion that it was caused by the forbidden fruit sticking in the throat of Adam.

Another reason for the adoption of the apple as Christian symbol is that in Latin, the words for "apple" and for "evil" are identical (malum). It is often used to symbolize the fall into sin, or sin itself. When Christ is portrayed holding an apple, he represents the Second Adam who brings life. When held in Adam's hand, the apple symbolizes sin. This also reflects the evolution of the symbol in religion. In the Old Testament the apple was significant of the fall of man; in the New Testament it is an emblem of the redemption from that fall, and as such is also represented in pictures of the Madonna and Infant Jesus.

At times artists would co-opt the apple, as well as other religious symbology, whether for ironic effect or as a stock element of symbolic vocabulary. Thus, secular art as well made use of the apple as symbol of love and sexuality. It is often an attribute associated with Venus who is shown holding it.

See also Forbidden Fruit

 

[Levonian]

Do Christians have to be 100% sinless people?

Jesus is walking down the street when he comes upon an angry mob.

They have surrounded a prostitute, whom they intend to stone to death.

Jesus rushes to the woman's defense, brilliantly defending her and convincing the mob to spare her life.

He winds up the spiel by dramatically declaring, "let they who is without sin among you cast the first stone!"

As soon as he says this, an old woman steps forward, picks up a hefty rock, and nails the prostitute right between the eyes.

Jesus turns to the old woman and says, "damn it, Mom—do you always have to do that?!"

 

[Audiofuzzy]

>>>"in the first instance of her conception, <<

Miss Reba, I am pretty sure "her conception" pertains to Mary's conception of Jesus, not Mary's mother of Mary..
The original sin is passed from Adam, and thru the fathers to everyone born.
Mary herself surely was conceived the regular way.. From a a woman and a MAN.
(And while there is not much mentioning who were Mary's parents, somewhere it says it was devout Jewish couple)

Jesus, one the other hand was conceived thru "immaculate conception" and that means God put the Jesus's seed in Mary's body purely thru his mysterious grace - Mary was a virgin before conception, during conception and after Jesus conception. Hence immaculate conception. No dirtying Mary by putting some -excuse me- male sexual organ into her. Or anything of male at all. No father to pass original sin to Jesus..


Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

>>>The immunity from original sin was given to Mary by a singular exemption from a universal law through the same merits of Christ, by which other men are cleansed from sin by baptism<<

oh I see where might the misunderstanding lie. Mary have been exempted from an original sin but not thru immaculate conception. It was Jesus who was immaculate-ly conceived.

Fuzzy

 

[Reba]

You might be right, but there are many fruits that they mentioned in the old days. Adam and Eve were punished just because he ate the specific fruit which called apple.

Genesis 3:6 "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."
The fruit grew on a "one-of-a-kind" tree. It was the only one like that ever created. It was not a common lemon, orange, apple, etc. It was as it was--the only one.

There are some pictures in the book of Eve holding an apple from a tree with a snake on the tree. (I am not sure if the snake was in the picture.) I find that interesting. It looks that there is a conflict story.

Every picture that you see that depicts a scene from the Garden of Eden was painted thousands of years after it happened. Artists created their versions of Biblical events. Artwork in Bibles is not part of the original inspired Scriptures from God. They were added centuries later to illustrate Bible stories. They are NOT accurate. They are just decoration.

...If it says a fruit, why can't he write the exact information what has happened to Eve in that day when he picked a fruit from the tree. ..

But God did!
Genesis 2:16 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
You see, the name of the tree was "knowledge of good and evil".

 

[Reba]

>>>"in the first instance of her conception, <<

Miss Reba, I am pretty sure "her conception" pertains to Mary's conception of Jesus, not Mary's mother of Mary..
The original sin is passed from Adam, and thru the fathers to everyone born.
Mary herself surely was conceived the regular way.. From a a woman and a MAN.
(And while there is not much mentioning who were Mary's parents, somewhere it says it was devout Jewish couple)

I don't believe that Mary was without sin. Mary was a sinner like everyone else. I was just posting what the Catholic Church teaches about Mary. They believe that she was born without sin. I don't believe that.

Luke 1
"46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour."

Even Mary knew that she was a sinner because she needed a Saviour just like every other sinner.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

What do you know, I might be wrong you might be right after all Reba :

>>The person of Mary, in consequence of her origin from Adam, should have been subject to sin, but, being the new Eve who was to be the mother of the new Adam, she was, by the eternal counsel of God and by the merits of Christ, withdrawn from the general law of original sin.<<

>>Pope Pius IX, after consulting with all bishops of the church, stated the dogma holding that "the most blessed Virgin Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin in the first instant of her conception." This took place in 1854.<<
>>The immaculate conception is an article of faith for Roman Catholics. The Mother of God, the Virgin Mary, did not have original sin because of the direct intervention of God. Mary was immaculate as a divine privilege.<<


And to think I was convinced it was the other way for over 40 years, lolololol just how stupid can you be

Fuzzy

 

[Reba]

And to think I was convinced it was the other way for over 40 years, lolololol just how stupid can you be

No, no, not stupid at all! Many, many people make the same mistake.

It is never stupid to learn new facts! That is how we grow.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

No body perfect lives here... rest of peoples are sinned too..

Ask Jesus for forgive their sins.. *prayer*
cleansed your sins..

Jesus is only one person is very strong sinless...

I do have sin... Be remember pray to Jesus and ask for forgive and cleansed my sins..

Reba, Yeah.. actually I'm stupid but still learn sumth'n new from mistakes.. will come change and better learn.. *smile* I do agreed w/you more..

MissP, Very funny this thread but you're still sins.. remmy that? Do you expecting sinless ?

 

[DreamSlayer]

Wow... so much writing because someone said "apple" instead of "fruit". Now someone should point out that it's not a "snake" in the garden.... It's a "Serpent".

 

[jazzy]

That means, Catholics believe that Mary was also free of sin, that she was conceived and born without original sin.

Not what I was taught in Catholic Church, another misguide by noncatholic christian. I already knew Mary was not perfect and sinner long before I found out what other noncatholic christians saying about it. what a twist words here.

 

[The*Empress]

it was a fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, or was it Tree of all good and evil?



But it didn't say Apple Tree or Orange Tree or whatever.

 

[jazzy]

Who said that Adam and Eve ate that apple ? It didn't say in the bible, only it stated that they both ate the fruit.

Thanks for remind.

I bought it thru craft catalog and did needlepoint when I was 12 .It has been on wall since then. It showed an apple bitten with word spelling Forbidden Fruit under the apple. I do know what it is. I like the word , apple better than fruit (too generalized).