Anti-Adoption?

[SxyPorkie]

That sounds better.

In that case, I'd go along with chemical "castration", closely monitored.

For your information... Chemical castration does not always works... some rapists miss chemical pills or shots..... then they rape someone again..... I prefer for any repeatedly rapists be castrated for life....

 

[Reba]

For your information... Chemical castration does not always works... some rapists miss chemical pills or shots..... then they rape someone again..... I prefer for any repeatedly rapists be castrated for life....

That's why I said only while they are incarcerated and under close monitoring.

 

[Cheri]

Ah, damn.. people should know a child of rapist is NOT going to be "monster" type or father like personality, each child has a different personality. It's depend on who is who. I jsut hate when females easily assmue their children that they are not so speical or something else.

well, life goes on. :/

I'm with you, babies are not going to be just like their father who are rapists.

a baby is part of the mother too and a baby is innocent of a crime that his/her father committed let's not forget that people.

 

[Angel]

If someone got pregnant by a rapist, and wants an abortion but why kill it? she could just have the baby and give it up for adoption if she doesn't want to raise the child of a rapist. How will anyone know what the baby will grow up to be if they kill that baby before it even had a chance to live...In all honestly I'm not trying to judge anyone here who has thought about an abortion or had one but I just think that abortion should be the last option IMO...

And my heart goes out to anyone who is ever been in this situation...

 

[Kaitin]

No problem.

It mean that my hubby´s Grandfather is a Rapist. His Grandmother don´t know which soliders and Nazis because she cannot remember how many soliders/Nazi raped her. During WWII, they don´t have DNA to find out who father is or many soliders/Nazi disappeared or killed. My hubby didn´t know what his Grandfather really is all what his father lied to my hubby that his Grandfather disappeared in WWII which is not true. My hubby learned from his father´s mother (Grandmother) when he was 16 years old. Funny is, Grandmother has no love feeling for her son (my hubby´s father) but she have love feeling for his Grandson (my hubby).

Unfortunately, my hubby´s father (my father-in-law) has no love feeling for us and our sons. We broke contact in 1997 after death of my mother-in-law. We tried to contact him via invited him to attend my son´s confirmation last April 2007 after years no contact. Yes, he attended my son´s confirmation. After that, he still has no interest to contact us. We are trying again to invite him to spend Xmas Day with us. I ask to myself often "why do we have to invite, invite, invite him? Why can´t he pay his visit volunatarily?". I know my hubby and his brother don´t receive love feeling from their father during childhood. It blames his unhappy childhood.

Like what I said before that each mother is different and has different feeling either she want to keep Rapist´s child or not.

Wow. So sad for your husband's grandmother, father-in-law, you husband, his brother, you, and your son. I am glad you invite your father-in-law even if he has no interest to contact you. Maybe his life was always too sad and hard for him now to give loving feeling to anyone. I bet he wants to change his past, his unhappy childhood, and his struggle to love anyone and maybe he knows you try to love him but can't change even if he doesn't show interest. Maybe even he sometimes - even only once in years - thinks of your family with love even if he doesn't show.

Very sad.

 

[Hwy99]

If someone got pregnant by a rapist, and wants an abortion but why kill it? she could just have the baby and give it up for adoption if she doesn't want to raise the child of a rapist. How will anyone know what the baby will grow up to be if they kill that baby before it even had a chance to live...In all honestly I'm not trying to judge anyone here who has thought about an abortion or had one but I just think that abortion should be the last option IMO...

And my heart goes out to anyone who is ever been in this situation...

I agree with you... The baby have nothing to do with the rape situation, it was not the baby's fault to be developed into the world. I agree, if a mother can't stand raising a baby that was fathered by a rapist, then she should just send the baby for adoption.

 

[webexplorer]

I agree with you... The baby have nothing to do with the rape situation, it was not the baby's fault to be developed into the world. I agree, if a mother can't stand raising a baby that was fathered by a rapist, then she should just send the baby for adoption.

Of course.

 

[Miss-Delectable]

Part of the problem is that they haven't been legally released for adoption.
Some of them are stuck in the legal limbo world of foster care because they don't have permission from the birth parents to be adopted.

Sad but true.
In my opinion, they should be put up for adoption after one year in foster system with or without birth parent's permission. Many parents find it advantageous to keep their kids in foster care instead of doing the right thing and give them up for adoption because of power or money, who knows.

I wonder if abandoned babies are ever put up for adoption or are they forever stuck in foster system?

Adoption's a good way to give kids a good family. So yeah, I'm for it. However, I'm not for blackmarket adopted babies.

 

[Miss-Delectable]

I'm with you, babies are not going to be just like their father who are rapists.

a baby is part of the mother too and a baby is innocent of a crime that his/her father committed let's not forget that people.

Yes, babies are innocent who shouldn't be punished for being a child of rapist.

You say that babies of rape are not going to be like their rapist fathers.
Well, it's not always true because sometimes they do inherit criminal characteristics and sociopathic tendencies regardless of how they were brought up.

Genetics are truly a funny thing because you never know what'd present in children.

 

[jillio]

Jillio, my professor emailed me back and he said the final will be only theories.

You should be able to get an easy A on that one!

 

[Roadrunner]

Mod Note:


Thread's closed per creator's request--





~RR

 

[Roadrunner]

Mod Note:


Thread's back up for further discussion. Please do remember to respect the opinions of others as well as expecting others to respect your own opinion.


Now....carry on!



(thread re-opened per creator's request)

~RR

 

[KarissaMann05]

Hi, there.

Don't worry about the closing thread.. Let's move on, shall we? In future, I will not close any thread unless there is a reason.

Also, we should let our old posts go and move on, because I was hurt and did not think clear, due to being nailed down by birthmother's and her friends' comments... All crappy thing.. So, I made some simple questions for debate. I'd rather to see refresh my thread, I mean, why not?

1. What is your +positive+ opinion on adoption?
2. What is your -negative- opinion on adoption?
3. How do you improve a rate of adoption?
4. What is your thought on those adoptees? Why/Why not?
5. Do you think a birth control can reduce a rate of adoption and abortion? How so, and why/why not? Explain it well.
6. Can male have his child when a female do not want a child? Why or why not? (Keep that mind, we have a different opinion. Try not take it so serious, please. Thank you.)
7. Anything do you want to add to say of something else?

In the note - YOU don't have to answer all those questions. Really.

Simple rules for my thread.
1. Keep it clean, please. (no insulting, rudeness, etc)
2. Keep this thread under control, please.
3. Of course, be resfect and use common sense.

Thank you for understanding.

Debate begins!!

(Phew! I'm done.. Haha)

 

[Angel]

Mann_K05 and Roadrunner...

 

[KarissaMann05]

Mann_K05 and Roadrunner...

Welcome!

 

[Hwy99]

1. What is your +positive+ opinion on adoption?

It give the children someplace safe and home. Also the adoption save the children from being aborted.

2. What is your -negative- opinion on adoption?

Not much really, except for the children who unable or refuse to see their real parents.

3. How do you improve a rate of adoption?

There is many people who can adopt, like the homosexuals, transgenders, single female or male, people who don't want sex, etc.

4. What is your thought on those adoptees? Why/Why not?

Adoptees? Care to explain what is adoptees?

5. Do you think a birth control can reduce a rate of adoption and abortion? How so, and why/why not? Explain it well.

Yes they can, but we have to be awared that they are not 100 percent effective. It could prevent people from being pregnanted. That include the condom too.

6. Can male have his child when a female do not want a child? Why or why not? (Keep that mind, we have a different opinion. Try not take it so serious, please. Thank you.)

Of course yes. I have one friend who had her parents dicroved and she always switching from father and mother whole her life. My cousin (female) have a baby, and the baby always switching from my cousin and a father all the times, it appeared that the baby prefer to live with father because father's home have more kids, keep the baby company, etc. while my cousin don't, she was the only one that baby can have company with at my cousin's home.

7. Anything do you want to add to say of something else?

Nothing else

In the note - YOU don't have to answer all those questions. Really.

Simple rules for my thread.
1. Keep it clean, please. (no insulting, rudeness, etc)
2. Keep this thread under control, please.
3. Of course, be resfect and use common sense.

Thank you for understanding.

Debate begins!!

(Phew! I'm done.. Haha)[/COLOR]

Allright I will follow your rule And thank you for reopening this thread!

 

[KarissaMann05]

1. What is your +positive+ opinion on adoption?

Have a kind of income to cover whatever they need to pay and has a support issue if it is a nescessey. There are many supportive information for any open adoption. There is, too, a reuion (sp) for birthmother and her child, it also will save many children from abortion as if we know. There are a few/some states have a legal agreement within 30 days of adoption if birthmothers can change their minds.

I can't think of more positive events but I will post it when I remember of something else. =)

2. What is your -negative- opinion on adoption?

* Some birthchildren do not interest in their birthmothers, and some birthmothers do not interest in their children either, which is pretty disappointing me...
* Some people do not have a kind of income that will result to have their minds change at the last minute if it is decay. Also, if they don't have one, they will have an abortion somehow. That's a problem...
* Some people made an adoption look like it is a poor choice, which is making them to think an abortion is "only" option.
* Spammers can take an abvantabive (sp) of it because they could use a baby for money. Selling.
* Some fake "birthmothers" are so greedy enough to take some money from "soon-to-be" adoptive parent without they can realize. Because fakers can play like they are so serious about their choices, that result may cause leaving "adoptive" parents to have nothing. It's very depressing to hear, I learned it from TV News...
* Seemingly, adoption may harm a child and mother in any *personal* reason, possible many intentions for that.

3. How do you improve a rate of adoption?
Since I knew there are very several states have a legal adoption rights for homosexal and single parents. Still, it's not enough... I expect to see more states than just few of them. However, I hope somebody else manage a rate of adoption to be reduced a bit while *if* there are many advanced birth controls. Of course, they suppose to have some are free and others are cheaper a bit enough to afford them. I just like to see a something so different.

4. What is your thought on those adoptees? Why/Why not?

They are so various people! They should be happy that they are alive, instead of complaining how much they are unworthy, hate their lives, and blah blah blah. It's just getting annoying because THEY do not give a damn about their own futures. That's disappoint me.
One time, one of my relations told me that she do not want to be alive and do not care about anyone else. That made me to think adoptees and people are just phony and nothing, like this, rotting from the inside out. If true, then the simple comment from my thought is: we, people, are definitely nothing more than female humans.

Just rotting from the inside out...

That made me so mad yet sad. Why not they just can think about their own future? Seriously. =/

5. Do you think a birth control can reduce a rate of adoption and abortion? How so, and why/why not? Explain it well.

Yes, I am pretty positive, to see some previous posts I wrote. I don't know what I can think of.. I will add it more when I can make more ideas.

6. Can male have his child when a female do not want a child? Why or why not? (Keep that mind, we have a different opinion. Try not take it so serious, please. Thank you.)

Yes! It's not fair to males because they never will pregnant. Adoption is very nice option for them, however, it is not so simple option. I knew someone who was not my friend had just killed himself because he was feeling so failed to protect his child. Due to her ex-girlfriend's own abortion and her betrayal. Besides, he is an adoptee... Geeze, I only see abortion do harm *some* males, plus, I understood his pain. I feel like I don't need to explain why it was happened...

7. Anything do you want to add to say of something else?

Yes. Here's my one shot of thought on adoption, foster, and abuse children, especially abortion.

I'm kinda tired of the whole 'if abortion is made illegal, children will flood the world and everyone will beat them up' argument.

Well, allow me to ask this question, have abortion ended an child abuse?

If legal abortion is so beneificial, why are children still abused and neglected? The simple answer would be there, because child abuse and neglect will always exist in society regardless of how many abortions women have or don't have. It is a social ill, due to a wide range of problems (economic, mental health, drug related, etc etc), to which abortion cures none.

If the foster care system is broken, fix it! If adoption has a problem, recover it! I mean, oh, come on.

What is kind of the logic is it to say that "adoption is so hard, (or foster care is bad,) we need more abortions!" subject? If foster care is overcrowded and abusive, focus on fixing it for the "born (or existed) children," and all matters. Simple.

Just two cents in my own opinion...

PS - try not take it so serious, it's just my whole thoughts through those questions.. ^_^ remmy, I made some rules here.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

1. What is your +positive+ opinion on adoption?

Well not sure if quite good positive ways for adoption.. Actually I'm adoption.. My birth mom was young and no one help her advice. The nurse took her baby away and made their own decision putting me up the adoption without consault by her counseloring or others. My birth mother's parent were strict and doesn't want her have a baby due no supportive moral as well. She felt bad and have no choice putting adoption for me few days later and came back hospital and want have me back but too late. The nurse already authorization me putting up the adoption.

2. What is your -negative- opinion on adoption?
Yes.. I'm very remark negative things about adoption reason why, my adoption parents are treat me hell life and not even caring.. Since I raised abused by adoption father. I'm very scared about the future up to the agency who willing placement the baby to adoption without checking their backgrounds first but still not trust 100% w/agency reason Agency staff have been work hard and speed up the processing the court and quick pull up the adoption placement. If no luck will put the baby into the foster care placement.. Isn't fun because out there still abuse out there.. Still! I do not trust Agency PEROID rest of my case!

3. How do you improve a rate of adoption?
How improve their adoption ? Pretty tough one.. Up to people feel about it. Cannot promised how can see true colors adoption parents identity background and cannot see prediction the future may lead happen to adopt child will become into suffer from Adopt parents. How can you feel trust with adoption parents or foster care system?

4. What is your thought on those adoptees? Why/Why not?
My thought is adoptees... Heck no.. I ain't going putting here really horrible remarks debate here.. No thanks.. I'm truly sorry.

5. Do you think a birth control can reduce a rate of adoption and abortion? How so, and why/why not? Explain it well.
(chuckles) Vary the depends of rate prevent adoption or birth control.. Therefore no control out there peoples' lives and mixed their feelings.. Birth Control isn't accurate perfect prevent the pregnancies. Adoption parents are quite selfish and pretend their blood child and brainwashed about child may learned about their lies. What if the child discovered about the adoption parent isn't biolgical and how can knew about their health concerns quite complations reason Agency refused the release the non-identfiying doucement. Huge diffculties through finding their birth parents and decide registeration the searching birth parents may not found or found long way haul.

6. Can male have his child when a female do not want a child? Why or why not? (Keep that mind, we have a different opinion. Try not take it so serious, please. Thank you.)
er um.. Two different ways father of choice... number 1. Father isn't want part of child's life! Number 2. Father want their child's life but hard battle w/child's mother through pregnancies. Isn't fun eh.

7. Anything do you want to add to say of something else?
I'm sorry I did wrong thing myself.. twice abortion which I have good reason.. due my scar remarks in my life suffered from abuse ex-boyfriend.. doesn't want raised the child's birth father was drugs and addict abuse. Hurting me hell through. Good thing, I have one son 16 yrs old now,who belong birth father was abused me. My older son doesn't want see his birth father at all reason he still scar remarks due he abuse him too. Don't agruing w/me ok.. So many awful lot of reasons in my past life. Don't call me bad label. Thank you. I refused putting this child adoption.. Hell no way! I do not trust agency 110% plus adoption parent doesn't matter who.. still PEOPLES!

I'm glad, I've found my birth mother since searched her for 16 yrs and until my birth mom confess to her 3rd daughter and decide search to find me.. 5 minutes FOUND ME!!!
Still contact each together sometime. I do love my adopt mother and 2 siblings but not FATHER!!!

 

[KarissaMann05]

4. What is your thought on those adoptees? Why/Why not?
My thought is adoptees... Heck no.. I ain't going putting here really horrible remarks debate here.. No thanks.. I'm truly sorry.

If you dont want to answer this #4 question, then you really don't have to answer it. Remmy, I just said you dont have to answer all of them. Unless if you'd rather to say positive about them, then you can answer it with one positive thing. Really, you dont have to. Just sayin'.

7. Anything do you want to add to say of something else?

I'm glad, I've found my birth mother since searched her for 16 yrs and until my birth mom confess to her 3rd daughter and decide search to find me.. 5 minutes FOUND ME!!!
Still contact each together sometime. I do love my adopt mother and 2 siblings but not FATHER!!!

Wow! Five minutes!? What a surprise! A such lucky for you.

Also, I'm so happy that you get along with some relations of yours.

 

[Buffalo]

The RISE (80%) from 1974-1989 came immediately AFTER legalization of abortion, so by your theory, legalization of abortion actually led to MORE crime.

Those babies who were born in 1974, became 16 years old in 1990. It is about the right age to be driving and getting into really deep trouble. Teenagers and young adults tend to get into trouble the most. So abortions do decrease the crime rate by the time when those babies who weren't aborted became teenagers.