Do you treat human and animal equal?

[Reba]

I think it should be legal for pets to have seat belt in car...

because I read in newspaper, a doberman dog injured head on the windsheild.

They sell safety harnesses for dogs but not many people use them.

 

[moonflower]

i vote yes for treating equal

 

[Tousi]

I vote for treating animals better than people...lol

 

[Opal]

I vote for treating animals better than people...lol

Lol - this is what my husband always telling me that I treat my dog better than him ha ha.

Anyway back to this topic, I believe human and animals are different.

Human people comes FIRST, SECOND, THIRD than any animals.

 

[Opal]

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[Liebling:-)))]

You didn't read the scenario:

"House is burning. There's only enough time to go back in for one rescue. I can carry only one unconscious victim of smoke inhalation. Here's the choice: rescue my little son or rescue my big dog (they are the same size and weight)."

Which would you rescue?

Sorry, it make no difference either one or more in household. Let says: You have 3 little children. Should you rescue one of 3 children? I would not pick one but try to do everything to rescue my beloved ones.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well, that's what this thread is about right? You wanted our opinions, right?

Yes I have no problem for that.

I didn't say "obligate".

I never say that you said "obligate".

I said animals shouldn't have the "right" to do those things.

What about this?
Human-animal marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I said they shouldn't have the "right" to do those things. Animals and humans don't have equal "rights".

Do you mean that it's okay for human to use animals for medical research, testing etc? Is it okay to cause pain for those poor animals, that's because they are only animals which is not same "rights" as human?

This would be so much simpler if you would just read the words that I write.

It would be much simple when you has feeling for animals instead of use "materials" as an example to compare human and animal. I defend animal and see animal as my family, not different that's because they are only animal.

Your children are forced to get annual rabies vaccinations?!

Just rabies vaccination? I thought you know that there're many different types of vaccinations to fit human and animal, not just rabies vaccination?

People are forced to wear collars and leashes?!

Really? I thought you do not against Toddler-harness, don't you?

Maybe they do that in Germany but they sure don't do that in the USA.

Really? I hope those link will fresh your memory.
http://www.alldeaf.com/parenting/37496-toddler-harness.html

That's nice to know but it has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.

But since you brought up the subject, at least your children are eating healthy cat food, eh?

I never said that my children eat cat foods. Can you show me where have I say that my children eats cat foods because I didn't find where I did said that.

All what I see is you are the one who use the example material between human and animal as comparison.

Your children don't eat meat do they? If animals and people are equal, I guess that would be cannibalism.

cannibalism?

wow interesting, I didn't know that there're legal in your country that human meat is in pet foods...

I only know that some people like to eat pet foods and dry foods as the same as the pets like to eat normal foods like what the people eat as well.

 

[Mistyrose]

This thread is crazy to begin with for heavens
sake!
Its going to cause a lot of heat, thats for sure!

My answer is: People come first before animals but of
course, animals should be treated with respect.

 

[Capmeister]

I like animals. They often taste delicious.

Non-humans don't have rights because they do not understand the concept of rights and therefore cannot respect the rights of others.

People can't even agree on the rights other people have--I'm pretty sure we won't be granting animals rights anytime soon.

This isn't to say all animals are the same or should be abused. But by the same token, medical tests aren't necessarily abuses. And for lower animals, eating them is just fine. It's silly to take man out of the food chain just because he's at the top.

 

[Mistyrose]

Yes I have no problem for that.



I never say that you said "obligate".



What about this?
Human-animal marriage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Do you mean that it's okay for human to use animals for medical research, testing etc? Is it okay to cause pain for those poor animals, that's because they are only animals which is not same "rights" as human?




It would be much simple when you has feeling for animals instead of use "materials" as an example to compare human and animal. I defend animal and see animal as my family, not different that's because they are only animal.



Just rabies vaccination? I thought you know that there're many different types of vaccinations to fit human and animal, not just rabies vaccination?



Really? I thought you do not against Toddler-harness, don't you?



Really? I hope those link will fresh your memory.
http://www.alldeaf.com/parenting/37496-toddler-harness.html

That's nice to know but it has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.



I never said that my children eat cat foods. Can you show me where have I say that my children eats cat foods because I didn't find where I did said that.

All what I see is you are the one who use the example material between human and animal as comparison.



cannibalism?

wow interesting, I didn't know that there're legal in your country that human meat is in pet foods...

I only know that some people like to eat pet foods and dry foods as the same as the pets like to eat normal foods like what the people eat as well.

She did not say there was any human meat in pet foods...dont be such
an silly child!! and dont treat her like she is an imbecile, good grief!
:roll:

 

[Foxrac]

This thread is crazy to begin with for heavens
sake!
Its going to cause a lot of heat, thats for sure!

My answer is: People come first before animals but of
course, animals should be treated with respect.

No, that's not true.

Animal (Dinosaurs) has been here at first before human are developing in monkey-like then bodies are change in many years to make more shape than in billion years ago.

 

[Foxrac]

House is burning. There's only enough time to go back in for one rescue. I can carry only one unconscious victim of smoke inhalation. Here's the choice: rescue my little son or rescue my big dog (they are the same size and weight).

Are they truly "equal"?

You wouldn't like my answer.

I said that depends on how is distance, if house is more burning when dog is located in first story since one little son is in 2nd story, probably hide in closet then I will get dog at first and don't want get burned because of short distance, also I'm not good rescue, only fireman can do all of it.

 

[Foxrac]

I'm treat both of them so equally, also I don't treat humans like special species.

That's fine, if kids who enjoy to abuse the dogs then other day when pitbull abuse the small child then would be equal for them to see happen like that.

Honestly, I'm against on euthanasia for some part on pets but kids don't get euthanasia after hurt the dogs then would be not equal for see like that? *Shrugs*

Human is part of animal but different species.

 

[Kuifje75]

Prior ro reading Reba's statement, I thought that humans and animals were not equal at all in any respects. Then I read her statement and agreed with her fully. Most pets do not work to bring home money, and they do not make decisions for us. We simply make decisions for them. We neuter them against their own wills. We declaw some cats against their wills. The same can be said for children. They are not truly equal as adults until they turn 18 years old. We tell them no, tell them what to do, make them do this and that, make decisions for the children, etc...

Having said that, one should not misunderstand the prior statements as equivalent to a person's right to live. All animals and humans have the equal right to live, and all animals and humans should not be subject to violence nor fear.

 

[Mistyrose]

No, that's not true.

Animal (Dinosaurs) has been here at first before human are developing in monkey-like then bodies are change in many years to make more shape than in billion years ago.

Huh? you not understanding me.
The question of this thread is whether people and animals
should be treated equal..my answer is no.
I agree with Reba that people and animals are not the same.

 

[Foxrac]

Huh? you not understanding me.
The question of this thread is whether people and animals
should be treated equal..my answer is no.
I agree with Reba that people and animals are not the same.

No, You was made mistake in your post then look at history, even some in science.

If you think that animal and human aren't equally then you would be okay to abuse or hurt animals, included with pets then would be so insane.

Human is part of animal but they have different species, look at wikipedia.
Human - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Liebling:-)))]

We simply make decisions for them.

Like what we did with our children.

We neuter them against their own wills.

We choose to neuter them because they should not suffer themselves to have many babies and then end put them home or put them sleep which is unfair.

We declaw some cats against their wills.

Cat declaw are illegal in many countries in the world except America and Canada. That's why we treat our pets as our own family.

Having said that, one should not misunderstand the prior statements as equivalent to a person's right to live. All animals and humans have the equal right to live, and all animals and humans should not be subject to violence nor fear.

Yes, we see animals as our own family. I do not see them different that's because they are animal.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No, You was made mistake in your post then look at history, even some in science.

If you think that animal and human aren't equally then you would be okay to abuse or hurt animals, included with pets then would be so insane.

Human is part of animal but they have different species, look at wikipedia.
Human - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*AMEN*

 

[Liebling:-)))]

She did not say there was any human meat in pet foods...dont be such
an silly child!! and dont treat her like she is an imbecile, good grief!
:roll:

This debate between Reba and me, not you.

I would appreicate that you do not jump the debate between her or anyone and me to tell me do. I repeat in several threads to ask you to not stalk me to several threads to tell me do. Please respect when I have different POV to debate with anyone. You can quote my post if you want to tell me something, not jump between others and me to tell me off.

 

[Kuifje75]

Like what we did with our children.

Duh, I already said that.

We choose to neuter them because they should not suffer themselves to have many babies and then end put them home or put them sleep which is unfair.

They do not suffer having many babies. WE SUFFER from the overpopulation of animals, especially stray ones.

Cat declaw are illegal in many countries in the world except America and Canada. That's why we treat our pets as our own family.

Even so, we STILL exercise the decision to either declaw the cats or not.

Yes, we see animals as our own family. I do not see them different that's because they are animal.

Sure, animals are parts of our families, but they are still not equal. The only legal rights they have are to live in a safe environment.