God Versus Satan

[Angel]

I would not kick my children out of my house for their disobeyence but punish them with positive discipline.

But some parents do... not everyone discipline their children the same way...

 

[Cheri]

Ugh! I hate to repeat myself to Liebling. I gave up, Good luck on this debate thread. It's pointless.

 

[Maria]

Eve and Adam are not kids, and they are adults, 13 years old are not adult yet in the eye of the law, yet they do know they have to obey the laws or else...





What does kicking out of the house have to do with discipline? or punishment?


Liebling you're doing the same thing as CyberRed here posting your message inside a quote, I can not quote your whole post when you reply it in the quote try to quote it first then reply on the outside so it would be easy for me to take your whole post when I click on the quote button....smile

Well, Angel... I do whatever I feel comfortable with my post and how I post it. Ok ? It's not that important to worry about how a person should post her or his comment with quote or without quote.

 

[Maria]

Even when jesus supposedly said "drink my blood, eat my body" from the bible, it doesn't bother you to know that this very writing was inscribed on the remains of the temple the Vatican was built on, was dedicated to the God Mithras? And this was before Christianity.

And you're familiar with The Queen of Heaven, and yet it doesn't struck you as odd that the God you're worsshiping is following the same routine as the other gods before him? (same december birthday, has virgin mothers, etc)

Do you not want to believe 'it' because you think all this is a lie and they made it up, or you just think it can't be possibly true?

Did you know that the Vatican is very dirty? I mean, their spiritual. Their spiritual is very, very dirty. They worship Satan in other room somewhere inside the Vatican. And, even they are mixin' their doctrines with politics. They have their own idols - Mary and Jesus in Vatican. The pope carry the cruxifixed of Jesus on the cross. They use the cross upsided down. One of the popes is high black pope who is illuminati and Mason. There are sooo many things that has been goin' on inside the Vatican. Long history. And, even in their history they tortured some Christians who refused to convert to their religion ... back in Inquistion days. Soo many goin' on. And, I don't know, if they are 100% tellin' the truth behind their door. For one, I know they are very filthy rich.

Why should I believe in Vatican what they discover about the Queen of Heaven and their god Mithras ? Are they tryin' to pull my leg ?

Xentar, please keep that in mind... I am not tryin' to offend some Catholic ADers here. It's just that it boggles my mind when I read their history.

 

[Angel]

Well, Angel... I do whatever I feel comfortable with my post and how I post it. Ok ? It's not that important to worry about how a person should post her or his comment with quote or without quote.

Don't worry I haven't told you to do the same thing, I'm telling Liebling here because she is more understanding, nice and easy to talk to...

 

[VamPyroX]

Did you know that the Vatican is very dirty? I mean, their spiritual. Their spiritual is very, very dirty. They worship Satan in other room somewhere inside the Vatican. And, even they are mixin' their doctrines with politics. They have their own idols - Mary and Jesus in Vatican. The pope carry the cruxifixed of Jesus on the cross. They use the cross upsided down. One of the popes is high black pope who is illuminati and Mason. There are sooo many things that has been goin' on inside the Vatican. Long history. And, even in their history they tortured some Christians who refused to convert to their religion ... back in Inquistion days. Soo many goin' on. And, I don't know, if they are 100% tellin' the truth behind their door. For one, I know they are very filthy rich.

Why should I believe in Vatican what they discover about the Queen of Heaven and their god Mithras ? Are they tryin' to pull my leg ?

Xentar, please keep that in mind... I am not tryin' to offend some Catholic ADers here. It's just that it boggles my mind when I read their history.

Yeah!

The Bible is what is approved by the Vatican.

So, if they are dirty... then they are biased and we are getting the wrong Bible.

Once, they found another book to be added to the Bible... but the Vatican wouldn't allow it because it was about Jesus being married and having kids. :roll:

 

[Maria]

Don't worry I haven't told you to do the same thing, I'm telling Liebling here because she is more understanding, nice and easy to talk to...

Ok. Next time don't use my screen name when you talk to someone about anythin'. Ok ? Because, it tends to pull my attention, thinkin' that I am involved into somthin' with someone else who you talk to. If, you are just talkin' to one person, leave my screen name out. I am not mad, fyi - it's just that sometimes it annoys me when you don't mean to talk to me.

 

[Cheri]

Enjoy reading....

Listen to how specifically Jesus spoke of what is required of us

 

[Angel]

Enjoy reading....

Listen to how specifically Jesus spoke of what is required of us

Aw that webbie page is cute....Thanks for sharing it

 

[Askjo]

Did you know that the Vatican is very dirty? I mean, their spiritual. Their spiritual is very, very dirty. They worship Satan in other room somewhere inside the Vatican. And, even they are mixin' their doctrines with politics. They have their own idols - Mary and Jesus in Vatican. The pope carry the cruxifixed of Jesus on the cross. They use the cross upsided down. One of the popes is high black pope who is illuminati and Mason. There are sooo many things that has been goin' on inside the Vatican. Long history. And, even in their history they tortured some Christians who refused to convert to their religion ... back in Inquistion days. Soo many goin' on. And, I don't know, if they are 100% tellin' the truth behind their door. For one, I know they are very filthy rich.

Why should I believe in Vatican what they discover about the Queen of Heaven and their god Mithras ? Are they tryin' to pull my leg ?

Xentar, please keep that in mind... I am not tryin' to offend some Catholic ADers here. It's just that it boggles my mind when I read their history.

I learn that the Vatican is behind the "Baal gods," do you know that? This "Baal gods" is found in the OT.

 

[Reba]

Liebling, I wish you could learn to quoted every line of my post instead of changing your color to respond inside my post because every time I reply to your post it won't even showed up on the reply, would have to copy and paste every time. It's not too difficult to quote every respond.

I thought I was the only one who had that problem!

 

[Reba]

Accord your post #469.

That's not even my post, it's your's.

OK and okay are the same thing.

Not if you post something that you claim is a quotation from me.

Yes it's nothing wrong to state facts but you took one side, not both sides.

Umm, that's what debate is all about. I take one side, you take another.

All what I see is you support Government, not see people's feeling.

Just because I support the law doesn't mean I don't see people's feelings.

Yes I realized that we begin to get personal and here. I apologized that I brought up toward your post in first place to get bit personal which I should not.

I appreciate that. I'll also try to be more careful.

Yes you explained facts but not look his feeling. Sure, Military accepts both facts and feeling.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. The people in the military can be sympathetic to a person's viewpoint but the regulations must be obeyed, regardless of "feelings." The military cannot be run on personal feelings.

With due respect, I would not provide the link from other thread over here.

Well then, I can't make a comment about a non-existent post.

You has no feeling for innoncent firstborns but blame Pharaoh for that...

Just because I blame Pharaoh how does that prove I don't have feelings?

Sometimes I wish you would show as much sympathy for the Hebrew babies that were killed by Pharaoh and King Herod as you do for the Egyptian firstborn.

BTW, did you know that the Egyptian firstborns were NOT all babies? The curse included the adult firstborns, who weren't so innocent.

What you brought the examples is which is not relate this thread here because the form of killings what God did not to the people.

If you make a claim that all killing is murder then I equally have the right to refute that claim.

 

[Reba]

Fireman have protect clothes and helmut against fire... They are expert and know how to protect from fire and how to rescue the people from fire, etc... I have firemen at my work... They talk about fire protection etc. Of course I asked them why they like that kind of job.. .Their answer is they loves those job. Yes, it could be accidents sometimes like cars, trains, plane, etc... but Jesus did is different because he CAN ask his father for support/protection but he didn´t.

No matter how carefully I explain it, apparently you'll never understand the fireman example, so let me try something else.

During WWII, the Nazis know that a certain Christian man is hiding a Jewish man but they don't know exactly where. They arrest the Christian man and question him. He refuses to tell them where the Jewish man is because he knows the Nazis will kill the Jew. Finally, the Nazi officer tells the Christian man, "If you don't turn in the Jew, we will torture and kill you. If you tell us where the Jew is, we will let you go free, and we kill capture, torture, and kill the Jew."

The Christian refuses to betray the Jew. The Nazis torture and then kill the Christian.

The Christian didn't commit suicide; he didn't want to die. The Christian wanted to live. It was within his power to live if he just betrayed the Jew. But he loved the Jew more than his own life, and sacrificed himself to save the Jew.

Do you understand this?

 

[Throwstones]

No matter how carefully I explain it, apparently you'll never understand the fireman example, so let me try something else.

During WWII, the Nazis know that a certain Christian man is hiding a Jewish man but they don't know exactly where. They arrest the Christian man and question him. He refuses to tell them where the Jewish man is because he knows the Nazis will kill the Jew. Finally, the Nazi officer tells the Christian man, "If you don't turn in the Jew, we will torture and kill you. If you tell us where the Jew is, we will let you go free, and we kill capture, torture, and kill the Jew."

The Christian refuses to betray the Jew. The Nazis torture and then kill the Christian.

The Christian didn't commit suicide; he didn't want to die. The Christian wanted to live. It was within his power to live if he just betrayed the Jew. But he loved the Jew more than his own life, and sacrificed himself to save the Jew.

Do you understand this?

This is a mytr for Christ if anyone ask you to reject Jesus then you refuse to reject Jesus and stand for Jesus therefore they can torture you and kill you.

My dad did ask me to reject Jesus the Messiah and obey him and Old Testament or not reject Jesus the Messiah then leave the house. I made a choice to follow Jesus the Messiah and leave the house (he kicked me out of his house and had a bluff on me). I have long story happening in my life. Smile... If u want to ask me any question about this, I will be happy to share with you. Just PM me anytime!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No matter how carefully I explain it, apparently you'll never understand the fireman example, so let me try something else.

Yes because what fireman did is not the same thing as Jesus.

During WWII, the Nazis know that a certain Christian man is hiding a Jewish man but they don't know exactly where. They arrest the Christian man and question him. He refuses to tell them where the Jewish man is because he knows the Nazis will kill the Jew. Finally, the Nazi officer tells the Christian man, "If you don't turn in the Jew, we will torture and kill you. If you tell us where the Jew is, we will let you go free, and we kill capture, torture, and kill the Jew."

The Christian refuses to betray the Jew. The Nazis torture and then kill the Christian.

The Christian didn't commit suicide; he didn't want to die. The Christian wanted to live. It was within his power to live if he just betrayed the Jew. But he loved the Jew more than his own life, and sacrificed himself to save the Jew.

Yes, that's a good comparison example. I repeated to question/suggest either suicidal or sacrifical in my previous posts but I receive no comparison and right answers until your post here. This example you gave me is a good and common sense... Now I know that it's scarifical what Jesus did, not sucidial.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

This is a mytr for Christ if anyone ask you to reject Jesus then you refuse to reject Jesus and stand for Jesus therefore they can torture you and kill you.

mytr? Do you mean myth?

My dad did ask me to reject Jesus the Messiah and obey him and Old Testament or not reject Jesus the Messiah then leave the house. I made a choice to follow Jesus the Messiah and leave the house (he kicked me out of his house and had a bluff on me). I have long story happening in my life. Smile... If u want to ask me any question about this, I will be happy to share with you. Just PM me anytime!

I'm very sorry to hear what your Dad did to you. He should accept what you are and respect your belief, not do what he wants if he really love you.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That's not even my post, it's your's.

I quoted each of your message in my post... Okay what I mean is your post # 455.

Umm, that's what debate is all about. I take one side, you take another.

*sigh* I'm trying to explain you the example again. Sure, we debate when we have different view... Example: You debate to support one side and I debate to support both sides between facts and feeling. Do you understand what I am trying to say?

Just because I support the law doesn't mean I don't see people's feelings.

Okay, this is your POV to support one side only than both sides. I support both sides between facts and feeling.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. The people in the military can be sympathetic to a person's viewpoint but the regulations must be obeyed, regardless of "feelings." The military cannot be run on personal feelings.

I already said that Military accepts both fact and feeling. Of course Military are for feeling than law. You know that I work for US government and have seen a lot of soliders here everyday... they talk feeling more than fact and law when they agree or disagree to.

Just because I blame Pharaoh how does that prove I don't have feelings?

It proves already that someone blame Pharaoh for his disobeyence with no think and no feeling for innoncent firstborns who have to die.

Sometimes I wish you would show as much sympathy for the Hebrew babies that were killed by Pharaoh and King Herod as you do for the Egyptian firstborn.

I know for a long, long time about those history including Nazi time as well... I do have sympathy feeling for them. Why should I repeat to say anything against them when they already accept their knowledge that those history are true and they are killer with no complication but beleiver? The beleivers are very complication to accept the fact that God killed firstborns and more people. All what I see is their denial and blame others for their disobeyence to support God etc. No, we are not angry over that but *sigh* to beleivers.

BTW, did you know that the Egyptian firstborns were NOT all babies? The curse included the adult firstborns, who weren't so innocent.

Yes I know, it's not just firstborns but children and adult as well.

If you make a claim that all killing is murder then I equally have the right to refute that claim.

Where have I say "all"? I only know what I point Kill is Kill when we referred between the God and a person who did the same thing to kill the people in our debate.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Ok. Next time don't use my screen name when you talk to someone about anythin'. Ok ? Because, it tends to pull my attention, thinkin' that I am involved into somthin' with someone else who you talk to. If, you are just talkin' to one person, leave my screen name out. I am not mad, fyi - it's just that sometimes it annoys me when you don't mean to talk to me.

Angel doesn't mean bad about you but show me the example what I did with posts the same as you and then make suggestion how to quote the post to save time and easier for ADers to quote our messages. I would be appreicate her suggestion... I really have no problem if she quoted your post to name me because I know it's only suggestion, she gave you, not insult/bash...

Yes I know that you and I are not only one who did with our posts like this. She did not force us but suggestion. It's up to you and me either we agree with her suggestion or not.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Ugh! I hate to repeat myself to Liebling. I gave up, Good luck on this debate thread. It's pointless.

Yes I realized that we repeated our posts until 19 pages thread. Anyway, I have different question about Christianity Religion history in my previous post toward you which is not repeat.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

During WWII, the Nazis know that a certain Christian man is hiding a Jewish man but they don't know exactly where. They arrest the Christian man and question him. He refuses to tell them where the Jewish man is because he knows the Nazis will kill the Jew. Finally, the Nazi officer tells the Christian man, "If you don't turn in the Jew, we will torture and kill you. If you tell us where the Jew is, we will let you go free, and we kill capture, torture, and kill the Jew."

The Christian refuses to betray the Jew. The Nazis torture and then kill the Christian.

The Christian didn't commit suicide; he didn't want to die. The Christian wanted to live. It was within his power to live if he just betrayed the Jew. But he loved the Jew more than his own life, and sacrificed himself to save the Jew.

Accord my respond post #565 to your same post here... I re-read and felt that it's a hypocritical example what you gave me but it's too late for me to edit and correct my post... Here is my right post... I would say that yes it's good comparison example what you gave me but I feel it's a hypocritical example... so I give you a better example because they are fact.

A Christian or a nonpolitician sacrificed their life for their belief and freedom to Nazi during Hilter time and also muslims scacrificed their life for their country, belief and Tradition. Accord my fact example, I would say that Jesus scarificed his life for his people and belief to Roman priests, not suicidal.

Accord your post, I do not see in Nazi history that Christians sacrificed their life for Jews to Nazi but their beliefs. Sure, a lot of Germans sacrificed their life for made an illegal to hide jews from Nazi since they know Nazi's law/rule but they choose to disobey Nazi's rule/law and have to punish to death. It's same thing what the God did to the people.