Zimmerman attorneys say Trayvon Martin was on drugs

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Jiro said:
ah so you're saying Trayvon attacked him?
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No. Although that is a very likely possibility. I'm saying your statement which says "which means" is untrue.
 
TXgolfer said:
No. Although that is a very likely possibility. I'm saying your statement which says "which means" is untrue.
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the only way my statement can be untrue is if there is a proof to dispute my claim. since you don't know and I don't know... then neither of us is wrong.
 
Jiro said:
the only way my statement can be untrue is if there is a proof to dispute my claim. since you don't know and I don't know... neither of us is wrong.
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No. "Which means" is a conclusive statement. Only a potential explanation need exist to make the statement untrue.
 
TXgolfer said:
No. "Which means" is a conclusive statement. Only a potential explanation need exist to make the statement untrue.
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I think you are confused.

It was a hypothetical scenario - if Zimmerman pursued him.... that would means he willfully put himself in danger therefore he has no justifiable use of deadly force. this is clearly spelled out in Florida self-defense law.
 
Jiro said:
I think you are confused.

It was a hypothetical scenario - if Zimmerman pursued him.... that would means he willfully put himself in danger therefore he has no justifiable use of deadly force. this is clearly spelled out in Florida self-defense law.
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Not what you said...

for that to happen.. Zimmerman would have to be pursuing him which means he willfully put himself in danger..... which is illegal.
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Not gonna quibble. Your original statement was clearly incorrect. Moving on.
 
TXgolfer said:
Not what you said...



Not gonna quibble. Your original statement was clearly incorrect. Moving on.
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right. you misunderstood. moving on.
 
TXgolfer said:
:lol: We can leave that for other posters to decide. I think most here understand what "which means" means.
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you left out rest of the picture.
 
BTW, words kinda matter....

pur·sue [per-soo] Show IPA verb, pur·sued, pur·su·ing.
verb (used with object)
1.
to follow in order to overtake, capture, kill, etc.; chase.
2.
to follow close upon; go with; attend: Bad luck pursued him.
3.
to strive to gain; seek to attain or accomplish (an end, object, purpose, etc.).
4.
to proceed in accordance with (a method, plan, etc.).
5.
to carry on or continue (a course of action, a train of thought, an inquiry, studies, etc.).
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Absolutely no evidence has been released at this time to say Zimmerman was "pursuing" Trayvon rather than "observing" Trayvon.
 
TXgolfer said:
BTW, words kinda matter....

Absolutely no evidence has been released at this time to say Zimmerman was "pursuing" Trayvon rather than "observing" Trayvon.
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and you've got an evidence that absolutely says Zimmerman was only "observing"?
 
Reba said:
You do bring up an interesting point. Suppose Zimmerman did show Martin his gun before Martin attacked him. Perhaps that would have been enough to scare off Martin, and he would have just run off? That would have been the end of that, and no shooting would have occurred. Martin attacked Zimmerman only because he thought he could overpower him. :hmm:
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GZ explained to police that when TM was on top of him beating him up (banging his head repeatedly) on the ground, TM saw his gun exposed and tried to grab it but they wrestled it and GZ shot him in self-defense. Then TM said "Okay, you got me" before he fell off. In other words, if TM got the gun, it's possible that he would shoot GZ instead.
 
CrazyPaul said:
GZ explained to police that when TM was on top of him beating him up (banging his head repeatedly) on the ground, TM saw his gun exposed and tried to grab it but they wrestled it and GZ shot him in self-defense. Then TM said "Okay, you got me" before he fell off. In other words, if TM got the gun, it's possible that he would shoot GZ instead.
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Where you heard? I saw between you and Jiro are very differently. :confused:
 
So far I read so many stories, and I still think GZ is innocent, but he did murder TM as in self defense.
 
authentic said:
So far I read so many stories, and I still think GZ is innocent, but he did murder TM as in self defense.
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If he is innocent, and killed in self defense, then that's not called murder.

That's why he's going to trial. To determine if it the killing was a murder.
 
Foxrac said:
Where you heard? I saw between you and Jiro are very differently. :confused:
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I read news about what happened before he got arrested.

That's his side of the story and I believe him. There is a hard evidience which are pictures of his bloody nose and back of his head that TM did to him. If GZ didn't carry his gun, he would be dead from brain damage. That would be a murder by TM.

Of course, Jiro doesn't believe GZ's story.
 
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