Zimmerman attorneys say Trayvon Martin was on drugs

[Jiro]

pffffftttt!...had TM on video at a convenience store buying his drinkie & little skittles....swaying back and forth...he was "stoned"!....

a couple of "puffs" just makes you giddy and silly...I knew this pot head that smoked pot everyday...and he also had 2 accidents in one day.

at least he wasn't robbing or killing anybody.....

 

[CrazyPaul]

so his comment "these assholes they always get away" doesn't concern you?

It doesn't prove that he's a murderer.

For example, I told someone that you drive me nuts and I wish you die. Does that make me a murderer?

 

[Jiro]

convenience store surveillance video showed Trayvon having difficulty with balance.

it's how an urban teen with pants that low walks.... I see no such thing as what you're saying.

 

[Jiro]

It doesn't prove that he's a murderer.

For example, I told someone that you drive me nuts and I wish you die. Does that make me a murderer?

if you ended up killing me (which is what Zimmerman did to Trayvon)... yes.

 

[TXgolfer]

it's how an urban teen with pants that low walks.... I see no such thing as what you're saying.

I don't get into stereotypes much.

 

[Jiro]

I don't get into stereotypes much.

uh... that wasn't a stereotype. that is how they walk because of "design function"

why don't you try walking with your pants down low and reaching for some changes in the pockets?

 

[TXgolfer]

uh... that wasn't a stereotype. that is how they walk because of "design function"

why don't you try walking with your pants down low and reaching for some changes in the pockets?

Agree to disagree.

 

[Jiro]

Agree to disagree.

that's just weird. oh well.

 

[Reba]

I lived in Boston in the 60'and 70's I had two Black friends that got attacked just for being Black so I stand by what I said about Zimmerman. Did Zimmerman give any reason for getting out his car?

Different time, place, people, and circumstances.

Yes, he did give his reason.

 

[Reba]

I disagree with you. I do not know any person that would take a gun to run an errand ,

Just because you don't know them doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Many people carry their guns every time they go out. Lots of people wear their guns as a habit. It's not a big deal, and certainly not an indication of premeditating a crime.

When Hubby runs to Walmart late at night he often takes his gun. Haven't you read about crimes that happen in Walmart parking lots at night?

Crime can happen any time, any place. Some people like to have their self defense ready.

I feel Zimmerman was planning to use his gun the moment he left his home. He got out of his car with his gun to look for Trayvon . This was premeditation.

He wasn't walking thru the neighborhood with gun drawn. If that were the case, he wouldn't have allowed Martin to beat him up first.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Just because you don't know them doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Many people carry their guns every time they go out. Lots of people wear their guns as a habit. It's not a big deal, and certainly not an indication of premeditating a crime.

When Hubby runs to Walmart late at night he often takes his gun. Haven't you read about crimes that happen in Walmart parking lots at night?

Crime can happen any time, any place. Some people like to have their self defense ready.


He wasn't walking thru the neighborhood with gun drawn. If that were the case, he wouldn't have allowed Martin to beat him up first.

TM beat him up because he didn't know that GZ carried his gun. If TM knew, then he wouldn't dare to confront him. I wouldn't dare to confront Jiro, either.

 

[Reba]

TM beat him up because he didn't know that GZ carried his gun. If TM knew, then he wouldn't dare to confront him. I wouldn't dare to confront Jiro, either.

You do bring up an interesting point. Suppose Zimmerman did show Martin his gun before Martin attacked him. Perhaps that would have been enough to scare off Martin, and he would have just run off? That would have been the end of that, and no shooting would have occurred. Martin attacked Zimmerman only because he thought he could overpower him.

 

[Jiro]

TM beat him up because he didn't know that GZ carried his gun. If TM knew, then he wouldn't dare to confront him. I wouldn't dare to confront Jiro, either.

if Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun, then Zimmerman would be arrested for improper exhibition of a firearm, for example.

FYI - I am licensed by Florida for CCW. They gave me a detailed information "Pertaining to the use of Deadly Force for Lawful Self-Defense".

CCW means you're supposed to keep it concealed from the public eyes as they never knew you're carrying one. If you're in a public area and you bend down to tie your shoes or pick up a key you dropped on the floor and somebody had a quick glimpse of your gun.... you will be arrested for improper exhibition of a firearm.

If you're legally carrying a concealed firearm and you felt threatened by somebody screaming (verbally abusive but not physically violent) at you and you used your gun to make him go away.... you will be arrested since verbal threat is not enough for justifiable use of deadly force.

What if someone uses threatening language to me so that I am afraid for my life or safety?

Verbal threats are not enough to justify the use of deadly force. There must be an overt act by the person, which indicates that he immediately intends to carry out the threat. The person threatened must reasonably believe that he will be killed or suffer serious bodily harm if he does not immediately take the life of his adversary.

What if I point my handgun at someone but don't use it?

Never display a handgun to gain "leverage" in an argument. Threatening someone verbally while possessing a handgun, even licensed, will land you in jail for three years. Even if the gun is broken or you don't have ammunition, you will receive the mandatory three-year sentence if convicted. The law does not allow any possibility of getting out of jail early.

That is called aggravated assault with a firearm.

What if I see a crime being committed?

A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman. But, as stated earlier, deadly force is justified if you are trying to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. The use of deadly force must be absolutely necessary to prevent the crime. Also, if the criminal runs away, you cannot use deadly force to stop him, because you would no longer be "preventing" a crime. If use of deadly force is not necessary, or you use deadly force after the crime has stopped, you would be convicted of manslaughter.

Summary

1. Never display a handgun to gain "leverage" in an argument, even if it isn't loaded or you never intend to use it.

2. The amount of force that you use to defend yourself must not be excessive under the circumstances:

• Never use deadly force in self-defense unless you are afraid that if you don't, you will be killed or seriously injured;
• Verbal threats never justify your use of deadly force;
• If you think someone has a weapon and will use it unless you kill them, be sure you are right and are not overreacting to the situation.

3. The law permits you to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense. Carrying a CCW does not make you a free-lance policeman or a "good samaritan."

Guess what? I've explained this same thing to you again before. I guess you forgot again.

 

[Foxrac]

if Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun, then Zimmerman would be arrested for exposing his firearm.

CCW means you're supposed to keep it concealed from the public eyes as they never knew you're carrying one. If you're in a public area and you bend down to tie your shoes or pick up a key you dropped on the floor and somebody had a quick glimpse of your gun or something that looks like a gun.... you will be arrested.

Oh wow, what is punishment for expose the CCW gun?

 

[Reba]

if Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun, then Zimmerman would be arrested for exposing his firearm.

He wouldn't be arrested for drawing it in self defense. Otherwise, what's the purpose of carrying a concealed weapon if you're not allowed to use it?

CCW means you're supposed to keep it concealed from the public eyes as they never knew you're carrying one. If you're in a public area and you bend down to tie your shoes or pick up a key you dropped on the floor and somebody had a quick glimpse of your gun or something that looks like a gun.... you will be arrested.

Only if that somebody reports it or it's seen by a police officer.

 

[Reba]

Oh wow, what is punishment for expose the CCW gun?

A spanking from Jiro.

 

[TXgolfer]

if Trayvon knew Zimmerman had a gun, then Zimmerman would be arrested for exposing his firearm.

Yes yes, I am certain that crossed GZ's mind. "I am about to get my butt kicked but I don't want to show my weapon that I carry for self defense because I might get in trouble for that."

The purpose for CCW is self defense. Soundslike Trayvon must have jumped him from behind. Good thing GZ was able to defend himself.

 

[Jiro]

He wouldn't be arrested for drawing it in self defense. Otherwise, what's the purpose of carrying a concealed weapon if you're not allowed to use it?

yes he would be arrested in this case since his case has insufficient reason for use of deadly force.

Only if that somebody reports it or it's seen by a police officer.

of course otherwise why would that person be arrested?

 

[Jiro]

Yes yes, I am certain that crossed GZ's mind. "I am about to get my butt kicked but I don't want to show my weapon that I carry for self defense because I might get in trouble for that."

The purpose for CCW is self defense. Soundslike Trayvon must have jumped him from behind. Good thing GZ was able to defend himself.

for that to happen.. Zimmerman would have to be pursuing him which means he willfully put himself in danger..... which is illegal.

 

[TXgolfer]

for that to happen.. Zimmerman would have to be pursuing him which means he willfully put himself in danger..... which is illegal.

That is not true at all.