Shot By Cop

Jiro said:
never said that but you posted a pix implying that it's an easy shot.

There where no other officers on the scene
yes there was.

from Reba's post - Andrea Rebello, Hofstra University Student, Home Invasion Shooting Death Under Investigation



exactly. my guess? reckless. negligent. unfit for duty.
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I am corrected. Still sounds like he was the only one in the house at the moment he had to make the decision to shoot or not.
 
jonnyghost said:
Seems pretty implied that you believe he couldn't make the shot.
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I'm not implying. I'm STATING it. he couldn't make a shot and that's a fact. that's why a poor girl died. and I've already stated that NYPD has an extensive history of shoddy gun training and spraying till empty.

jonnyghost said:
Other than a video showing that it can be done?
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sure. deescalate the situation. back off and call in the "real professionals" to do the job.
 
Jiro said:
a vest will save his life. and judging from this criminal's background - he's just a petty street thug... not a violent criminal.

he broke in to rob a house... not to rape and/or murder her.
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If he intended no one harm then why did he bring a gun? Why did he point it at people?
 
Jiro said:
a vest will save his life....
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Maybe. Depends on where on his body he gets hit, the angle of trajectory, and type of ammo used. A typical vest worn by street cops (not full military tactical style protection) doesn't cover much.
 
jonnyghost said:
I am corrected. Still sounds like he was the only one in the house at the moment he had to make the decision to shoot or not.
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nope. that's not what you said. you said there was only one officer on scene.

there were 2. and now you had to backpedal by saying "in the house"? :roll:
 
Reba said:
Maybe. Depends on where on his body he gets hit, the angle of trajectory, and type of ammo used. A typical vest worn by street cops (not full military tactical style protection) doesn't cover much.
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in most cases as reported in the news.... a vest saves officer's life. most shots were in the center mass.

some were shot in the head. some were shot in the legs or arms but they'll live.
 
Jiro said:
I'm not implying. I'm STATING it. he couldn't make a shot and that's a fact. that's why a poor girl died. and I've already stated that NYPD has an extensive history of shoddy gun training and spraying till empty.
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That's funny cause you just said that's not what you said.


Jiro said:
sure. deescalate the situation. back off and call in the "real professionals" to do the job.
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How would you deescalate the situation?
 
From my link:


"He kept saying, `I'm going to kill her,' and then he pointed the gun at the police officer," Azzata said.
 
Reba said:
From my link:


"He kept saying, `I'm going to kill her,' and then he pointed the gun at the police officer," Azzata said.
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that's what everybody says. it's just a threat. he was probably hoping a cop backs off so that he can run away.

but the investigation's still on-going and this is just a police officer's version of the story. they'll have to find out if that's what really happened. IMO - I believe him and I believe he made a bad decision.
 
Jiro said:
nope. that's not what you said. you said there was only one officer on scene.

there were 2. and now you had to backpedal by saying "in the house"? :roll:
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I said that you are correct and I was wrong. After re reading it still sounds like he was the only one in a position to do anything. It's said "One of the officers entered the home and encountered Smith holding onto Rebello in a headlock, coming down the stairs, Azzata said."
 
jonnyghost said:
I said that you are correct and I was wrong. After re reading it still sounds like he was the only one in a position to do anything. It's said "One of the officers entered the home and encountered Smith holding onto Rebello in a headlock, coming down the stairs, Azzata said."
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right. and you said if he shot at cop and killed everybody else... there will be nobody else to stop him.

I said another officer. and you said there's no other officer on scene. and I said yes there were... 2 cops.
 
jonnyghost said:
What did I do and why should I back off?
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oh no no. I was answering your question - "How would you deescalate the situation?"

I would back off and call in ESU (it's NYPD-version of SWAT).
 
Jiro said:
right. and you said if he shot at cop and killed everybody else... there will be nobody else to stop him.

I said another officer. and you said there's no other officer on scene. and I said yes there were... 2 cops.
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My point is that there is no guarantee that other policeman will arrive in time to do anything. He was the only one in the room. We do not know exactly where the other policeman was other than outside somewhere. If he was coming in from another entrance he would have to find the room they where in. By then the suspect could have shot everyone and left out the other way.
 
jonnyghost said:
My point is that there is no guarantee that other policeman will arrive in time to do anything. He was the only one in the room. We do not know exactly where the other policeman was other than outside somewhere. If he was coming in from another entrance he would have to find the room they where in. By then the suspect could have shot everyone and left out the other way.
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back door. that's probably where other officer was going.
 
Jiro said:
oh no no. I was answering your question - "How would you deescalate the situation?"

I would back off and call in ESU (it's NYPD-version of SWAT).
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When you are backing off what it to stop the suspect from shooting you?

Police Chief Magazine - View Article

"Of the 54 officers slain with firearms in 2004, 31 were wearing body armor. In four cases, bullets penetrated though the vest, and a fifth died of a nonpenetrating blunt force trauma to the chest.6 Even when the round is stopped, an officer can suffer an injury under the vest. "
 
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