CPS teacher strike and Illinois area....

Jiro said:
so how long would it take for starting teachers to get there?
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Approximately 35 years.

BTW, Jiro - thank you for your support of teachers. It is frustrating to see some of the responses on this board.
 
Jiro said:
so are teachers.

the question is... who hurts more? teachers.
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Actually, it is students. People who can excel elsewhere leave teaching. Instead of the cream of the crop teaching our kids, we have many (not all) from the bottom of the barrel.
 
TXgolfer said:
Hopefully they will fire them at the end of the school year and spend summer recruiting. People will line up. People are ready now but checking backgrounds would take a bit of time.
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that would be extremely costly for Chicago. hopefully you'll come to your sense.

"you get what you pay for." what do you expect that children will get if teachers are willing to do this for cheap? cheapo.
 
TracyK said:
Approximately 35 years.

BTW, Jiro - thank you for your support of teachers. It is frustrating to see some of the responses on this board.
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You're welcome TracyK! I've always been a very strong supporter for teachers. I have handful of friends who are very passionated about teaching but unfortunately after few years, they quit teaching and pursued something else because it's just not worth it anymore. Very few of them stuck it out to the bitter end. It's not right to see teachers treated like this for decades. If it weren't for my teachers, I wouldn't come this far.
 
No wonder the crime on Southside of Chicago is crazy. Not blaming all teachers, but many people thinks they're reason kids grow up to be criminal.

I heard that schools are open now just so that kids can get free breakfast, but teachers aren't back to work yet.
 
Jiro said:
I'm sorry you see it that way. It's not a personal attack. I'm criticizing your thought process as you're thinking this issue at very simplistic level when the issue is actually not that simple.
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All the "you" statements make it personal. That's not the same as debating the content of the posts.
 
Jiro said:
so are teachers.

the question is... who hurts more? teachers.
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How is it that teachers with $60k+ annual incomes are broke but taxpayers with less income are not? If they live in the same community, don't they have the same cost of living?
 
Reba said:
All the "you" statements make it personal. That's not the same as debating the content of the posts.
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Yes. I'm criticizing the content of his posts because his understanding of this issue is too simplistic. and ignorant.
 
TracyK said:
Teachers also cannot receive Social Security benefits in retirement. So really how does SS come into play????? If a teacher's spouse payed into SS they are entitled to partial benefits of the deceased spouse....
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They do receive a retirement pension that is better than the Social Security one, correct?
 
Reba said:
How is it that teachers with $60k+ annual incomes are broke but taxpayers with less income are not? If they live in the same community, don't they have the same cost of living?
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See TracyK's posts. And typical taxpayers do not have the additional bills that teachers have such as college tuition and whatnots they incur in order to be a teacher.

Upon graduation, typical doctors incur at least $400,000 in debt.
 
Reba said:
They do receive a retirement pension that is better than the Social Security one, correct?
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Yes. Their pension is taken in lieu of SS.... Even if they paid into the SS system by working second jobs.
 
Jiro said:
what's simple is that teaching job has always been neglected and in danger for quite a while now. now's a time to start focusing on it rather than continuing to bandaid it.

the fact still remains that teachers are appreciated and fairly compensated in modern countries and the fact still remains that we are falling far behind them.
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Yet, teachers in Christian schools generally get paid less than half what the public school teachers get paid, and they get better results.
 
Reba said:
How is it that teachers with $60k+ annual incomes are broke but taxpayers with less income are not? If they live in the same community, don't they have the same cost of living?
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Decent point. However students in many of these schools are below poverty line. living in subsidized tenements, and in unsafe neighborhoods. A teacher must live IN the city, not in the same environment. I would expect a PROFESSIONAL, college educated person to be able to live in a safe middle class neighborhood. That is one benefit of going to college.
 
Jiro said:
after 35 years? not worth it.
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Don't people receiving SS retirement pensions work 35 years or more, too?

I started working and paying into SS 45 years ago. I have to work at least four more years to be eligible to collect it. That means working almost 50 years for my SS retirement. If 35 years is not worth it, then how is 50 years better? During my entire working life I've never made an annual salary even close to what the Chicago teachers make, and I have a bachelor's degree, plus other training. I don't expect any income guarantees, so why should they? Why should anyone?

BTW, I really don't expect to retire at age 65. :)
 
Reba said:
Don't people receiving SS retirement pensions work 35 years or more, too?

I started working and paying into SS 45 years ago. I have to work at least four more years to be eligible to collect it. That means working almost 50 years for my SS retirement. If 35 years is not worth it, then how is 50 years better? During my entire working life I've never made an annual salary even close to what the Chicago teachers make, and I have a bachelor's degree, plus other training. I don't expect any income guarantees, so why should they? Why should anyone?

BTW, I really don't expect to retire at age 65. :)
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With all the trouble and everything that teachers put in for this job, it's not worth it anymore. They're better off doing something else.
 
Do the teachers need to live in core of city?

For example, someone got a teaching job close to US Cellular baseball park which is known to not be so safe. That particular teacher has decided to live close to Loyola University which is way North outside downtown, but still in Chicago. Is that ok for teacher to commute from Loyola University to US Cellular or does teacher have to live by US Cellular?
 
Reba said:
Yet, teachers in Christian schools generally get paid less than half what the public school teachers get paid, and they get better results.
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I think the "better results" statement could be debated as well. In Chicago, those who can afford it send their children to private schools. Likely those who can afford it live in better neighborhoods, have a greater level of education, and share the values (particularly in private parochial schools) of the school. All factors that increase a student's likelihood of success.

Private schools can remove any student who does not behave in a way that reflects those values, so you are less likely to have significant behavioral issues. As a result class time is focused more on teaching/learning than on management.

This issue cannot be debated simplistically - there are just too many factors involved in the success or failure of a school.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/opinion/in-search-of-excellent-teaching.html?ref=opinion
Traditional teacher evaluations often consist of cursory classroom visits by principals who declare nearly every teacher good, or at least competent, even in failing schools where few if any children meet basic educational standards.

As a result of this system, bad things can happen. High-performing teachers who have an enormous impact on student achievement go unidentified, and they often leave the district. Promising, but struggling, young teachers never get the help they need to master the job. And disastrous teachers who have no feel for the profession continue as long as they wish, hurting young lives along the way.
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Reasonable school officials understand that test scores, while important, do not reflect the sum total of what good teachers provide for their students. In Washington, D.C., where the evaluation system is now in its fourth year, school officials have decided to change the weighting of tests. Originally, value-added scores accounted for 50 percent of teacher evaluations; that has been reduced to 35 percent, with an additional 15 percent consisting of other goals (like the students’ mastery of certain skills) collaboratively arrived at by teacher and principal.

Officials there say they reduced the importance of value-added scores after some of the most successful teachers expressed anxiety about the measure and argued that it might not give some teachers full credit for their work because they teach subjects not covered by the state tests.

Many of these new programs are better than the slipshod evaluation systems they replaced. But they are far from perfect. States and cities, like Chicago, will need to keep working at them to ensure fairness, accuracy and transparency.
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dereksbicycles said:
Do the teachers need to live in core of city?

For example, someone got a teaching job close to US Cellular baseball park which is known to not be so safe. That particular teacher has decided to live close to Loyola University which is way North outside downtown, but still in Chicago. Is that ok for teacher to commute from Loyola University to US Cellular or does teacher have to live by US Cellular?
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They must live within the city limits - so they cannot reside in Winnetka or Evanston (for example). But near North side yes.
 
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