CPS teacher strike and Illinois area....

TXgolfer said:
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well it said -
None of this is to say anything about whether the average teacher’s salary is at the right level. It’s just to say that a fair read of the numbers suggests that $71,017 is a much more accurate estimate of what a typical Chicago public school teacher makes than $56,720.
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it's more of $70k than $75k.
 
TXgolfer said:
Nope. Merely shrugging off your personal attacks.
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I'm sorry you see it that way. It's not a personal attack. I'm criticizing your thought process as you're thinking this issue at very simplistic level when the issue is actually not that simple.
 
Jiro said:
I'm sorry you see it that way. It's not a personal attack. I'm criticizing your thought process as you're thinking this issue at very simplistic level when the issue is actually not that simple.
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I disagree. The situation is very simple. The city is broke and a strike that uses children as weapons is wrong. As for the personal attacks, they do not bother me in the least.....the words are there for others to judge. :cool2:
 
Jiro said:
so are teachers.

the question is... who hurts more? teachers.
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Then they should seek a profession with better compensation rather than extorting taxpayers.

Again, simple
 
TXgolfer said:
Then they should seek a profession with better compensation rather than extorting taxpayers.

Again, simple
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what's simple is that teaching job has always been neglected and in danger for quite a while now. now's a time to start focusing on it rather than continuing to bandaid it.

the fact still remains that teachers are appreciated and fairly compensated in modern countries and the fact still remains that we are falling far behind them.
 
Jiro said:
well it said -


it's more of $70k than $75k.
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Of course you chose to ignore

as opposed to the mean of $74,236 that year (as reported, pdf, by the Illinois State Board of Education).
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AND the pension adjustment figure that is equal to a 77k (mean) These teachers don't even pay Social Security taxes and only pay 2% into their pensions. Meaning on top of their above average salary they pay less taxes and receive nearly 8% in additional deferred income.

:cool2:
 
TXgolfer said:
Of course you chose to ignore



AND the pension adjustment figure that is equal to a 77k (mean) These teachers don't even pay Social Security taxes and only pay 2% into their pensions. Meaning on top of their above average salary they pay less taxes and receive nearly 8% in additional deferred income.

:cool2:
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so how long would it take for starting teachers to get there?
 
Jiro said:
what's simple is that teaching job has always been neglected and in danger for quite a while now. now's a time to start focusing on it rather than continuing to bandaid it.

the fact still remains that teachers are appreciated and fairly compensated in modern countries and the fact still remains that we are falling far behind them.
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Totally irrelevant.
 
Jiro said:
hence Post #114.
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Hopefully they will fire them at the end of the school year and spend summer recruiting. People will line up. People are ready now but checking backgrounds would take a bit of time.
 
TXgolfer said:
Of course you chose to ignore
AND the pension adjustment figure that is equal to a 77k (mean) These teachers don't even pay Social Security taxes and only pay 2% into their pensions. Meaning on top of their above average salary they pay less taxes and receive nearly 8% in additional deferred income.

:cool2:
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Teachers also cannot receive Social Security benefits in retirement. So really how does SS come into play????? If a teacher's spouse payed into SS they are entitled to partial benefits of the deceased spouse....

Also, your posts last night you seem to be willing to "fire all those teachers" because they are putting their financial interests (misconception) above the children. But you are willing to sacrifice the children's quality of education because of the government's financial interest. Seems like the pot calling the kettle black.
 
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