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TXgolfer said:
They don't disagree that it is killing. They disagree that it is murder. So.....wrong.
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murder. killing. dismembering. butchering. whatever the word you use.... they disagree.... until third trimester.
 
Jiro said:
depends on what trimester. but FYI - it's illegal to perform an abortion after third trimester.
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Thank you again, for making my point:ty:

So you are admitting that is legal AFTER the _____ heart starts beating.
 
TXgolfer said:
A heartbeat stops..... That's killing
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Kind of hard to believe that anyone would say that ending the life of an unborn child while in the womb is not killing. I mean, seriously. Not killing? Holy mackerel.
 
Jiro said:
murder. killing. dismembering. butchering. whatever the word you use.... they disagree.... until third trimester.
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They would have to be complete morons to argue that stopping a heartbeat is not killing. I don't think you will find anyone in the medical community that will say stopping a heartbeat is not killing. They may justify it but I believe they will be honest.
 
BTW..... I would use the word pulverize. It's pretty gruesome what some women will authorize for an innocent life. So sad.
 
TXgolfer said:
Yeah, I know
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By the way, having an abortion during the third trimester is allowed which is between 26 and 40 weeks. Kind of hard to have an abortion after the third trimester otherwise it'd be called "murder." No such thing as a fourth trimester.
 
rolling7 said:
Ok, I'll be fair with you Foxrac.

You seem to be misunderstanding that deafness and bipolar are not something you "catch" after birth, such as German measles. While it might be true that they are not notable at birth, the child is still born with them. Which means they had these conditions while growing up in the womb.

That is all I'm making a point of. If you, Foxrac, have no problem with a woman aborting an unborn child for one condition, why would you have a problem with a woman aborting an unborn child for ANY CONDITION growing in the womb.
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You cannot born with bipolar and they are all happened during post-born.

I met with one woman and she told me that new technology of ultrasound could reveal that fetus is deaf, however it will NOT REVEALED if deafness occur after birth, especially born with hearing at beginning but become deafness eventually.

It is up to women to abort the fetus due to birth defect and disabilities, regardless on conditions and I'm NOT MEANS about Down Syndrome only but it is for any conditions.

Personally, it is sad to see deaf fetus to be aborted but it is still up to women to their families. It is none of my business to involve with them.
 
Grayma said:
What is it that magically turns the fetus into a baby? the trip down the birth canal? If one woman delivers a baby prematurely at 25 weeks, that baby is human, but her sister is pregnant at 26 weeks, and that baby isn't, because of where it lives?

Abortion kills a human being. You guys who think it doesn't are years behind the times. Doctors and pro-abortion activists are increasingly willing to admit that life begins at conception, that of course abortion kills a human being, but so what- the adult matters more.

You pro-choicers also seem to be astonishingly uninformed about what the laws on abortion actually are.
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Abortion is legal so I don't care if you think it is killing.

Are you talking about pro-choice? Excuse me.

You pro-lifers are crying baby and whine about abortion is KILLING, KILLING, KILLING, MURDER, MURDER over again.
 
Jiro said:
nah don't need to. 40+ years and counting. so yea not happening anytime soon.
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Of course, it will never happen.

Let pro-lifers whine all they want.

None of their business.
 
Foxrac...I respect you opinion about being born bipolar. By its medical discription bipolar is a body chemical imblance and this only comes about by being born this way. However, I do want to leave this alone because it goes aginst the O.P. in a way. Glad you agree that it is terrible to abort an unborn child just because that unborn child is deaf. However, you are 100% right that it is legal within the bounds of abortion laws. As you said, the law may change and then abortion will have restrictions (i.e. gender, disability) but, where the law of man comes into play, there is always a mess.
 
rolling7 said:
Foxrac...I respect you opinion about being born bipolar. By its medical discription bipolar is a body chemical imblance and this only comes about by being born this way. However, I do want to leave this alone because it goes aginst the O.P. in a way. Glad you agree that it is terrible to abort an unborn child just because that unborn child is deaf. However, you are 100% right that it is legal within the bounds of abortion laws. As you said, the law may change and then abortion will have restrictions (i.e. gender, disability) but, where the law of man comes into play, there is always a mess.
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Make restriction WILL not works at all.

The women will have other reason to abort instead of say gender or disabilities.

The disabilities in fetus sees as birth defect - legally to abort.

Do you have source about bipolar? There are no reliable test to reveal bipolar.

It wasn't my opinion, all bipolar are diagnose with mental evaluation so nothing from test.
 
Foxrac said:
Of course, it will never happen.

Let pro-lifers whine all they want.

None of their business.
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It's not whining.... It's fighting for what is right. It's fighting for an innocent life that can't fight for itself. We may never win.... But at least we fought.
 
TXgolfer said:
It's not whining.... It's fighting for what is right. It's fighting to an innocent life that can't fight for itself. We may never win.... But at least we fought.
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Just like I fought for gay marriage so it is just interesting about your post.
 
rolling7 said:
Thank you again, for making my point:ty:

So you are admitting that is legal AFTER the _____ heart starts beating.
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admitting what? and why would I care about heart beat? it doesn't mean anything to me. if you're all about heart beat... then why do you (or anti-abortion) eat meat? don't you care about animals? their hearts beat too. and they bleed and cry in pain too.
 
kokonut said:
By the way, having an abortion during the third trimester is allowed which is between 26 and 40 weeks. Kind of hard to have an abortion after the third trimester otherwise it'd be called "murder." No such thing as a fourth trimester.
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incorrect. you need doctor's OK to have an abortion after 3rd trimester. a valid medical reason that would endanger woman's life.
 
TXgolfer said:
They would have to be complete morons to argue that stopping a heartbeat is not killing. I don't think you will find anyone in the medical community that will say stopping a heartbeat is not killing. They may justify it but I believe they will be honest.
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and Supreme Court still disagree with you....
 
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