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"Deaf Militants"-all segments including self defined cultural. I got the detail from an article Deaf Canada Today- December 1998. The author was Heather Marsden page 5/6. Seems to her- "perpetual angry persons" on the topic of deafness. Another incident Heather Whetstone being picked as Miss America speaking and hearing with her Cochlear Implant and NOT ASL. She says generated much criticism toward from "militant deaf".

Ironical: got the paper from Cdn Hearing Society/Toronto- while at Hearing Help class in 1998.
I actually have the article as well with info re You and your Deaf Child-Ontario Deaf Community- Bob Rumball Centre for the Deaf-4th revised January 2000 Page 25 is a review of A Journey into the DEAF-WORLD Lane et al,1996."Comprehension presentation of the latest findings and insights into the world of signing Deaf individuals-their language thought,education,employment,culture and society."
Obviously this includes Chapter 13/14-eradication of the Deaf-Cochlear Implants.

Reality: I was NOT considering a Cochlear Implant in 1996- not a candidate under the OHIP rules then-only deaf in the Right ear (Profound in Left).
I have mentioned here many times-knew I would become bilateral deaf since 1992. That situation happpened- December 20, 2006. Operation Sunnybrook/Toronto July 12, 2007.
That is why i collected information: ASL/deafness/Cochlear Implants which I still have.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

You still haven't defined a "Deaf militant." We are asking for your definition, as it is you that keeps using the phrase. You need to define what you believe a Deaf militant is. Quoting some out of date publication only tells us what that person defines a Deaf militant as. If you can't define it in your own words, it is obvious that you are throwing terminology around that you don't understand.
 
Seriously cut it out.

Put it in your own words. Stop quoting segments from places. It shows you have no idea what it means.

Bingo! I should have read your response before I posted!:giggle:
 
There are still pockets of people who protest CIs today, not many, and usually isolated and small groups of people, rather than a concerted effort. But you can also still see people saying they are against or don't support CIs in nearly every thread that mentions CIs on the forum here-- and not just as a decision they are making for themselves, but against others getting CIs.

People around here are more opposed to infant implantation, and a loosening of the guidelines for infant implantation. Not so much because of the CI, but because of the more often than not experience of hearing parents using the device as an excuse to go oral only. I don't know how many times we need to explain that before you catch on. The only person I know on AD that is opposed to CI overall is flip, and she is very up front about it. I believe that you will find exactly the same situation away from AD. This forum is diverse enough in membership to be representative of the deaf population as a whole.
 
Guys, I called her out.................... This shouldn't be a surprise.

PFH, are you serious? I leave your series of offensive posts calling me a liar and insisting that I'm spreading misinformation be, respecting your sensitivity to my asking how old your daughter was when she became aware of her Deafness (which you brought up) and about her current school placement ( a not illogical or "prying" question). I didn't see you object when Jillio posted where FJ's kid is at school in big cap letters, and when you ridiculed csign's academic choice to use SEE with her child as if it discredits her opinion about anything else. I expected you to find a graceful way to retract your accusations based on our PMs yesterday, once the emotions subsided, and to frame what you were comfortable discussing in your own words, I told you I'd remove any part of what I'd written that you were uncomfortable with, and respond to any questions I raised in whatever manner you wanted me to.

And then you say something like this? Perpetuating your nastiness?

You were way out of line when you decided to post and make snide remarks about where I work, studied, tossing it out in the forum every chance you got , passing it on to others, threatening to out my identity and background after you conducted your little research project on me. And you are once again out of line continuing this type of attack. You really need to take a look at what you are doing -- I'm not you enemy, you are.
 
As you've said yourself, not many Deaf against CIs and if they were, it would be against CIs in babies. So, what's your point? That drphil is correct in calling all people who identify themselves as Deaf as Deaf Militants? First you leap to faire jour's defense despite that she offended just about every Deaf person here and now you're piping up saying "well, there are a FEW deaf people against CIs" and making sweeping generalizations that people here are against CIs period, not that they are against implanting babies without their full knowledge and permission of all that CIs entail. And EVEN then, when a parent says they are going to do it anyway, then we advise those parents to give their kids a full toolbox to ensure their kids have the best of everything.

And p.s. I trolled through the cochlear implant section, just the threads on the first page and guess what? I'm not seeing anyone advising against CIs in adults. Only suggestions that they try HAs first.

And yet we get termed CI haters. It is really silly the way that these defensive attitudes make people twist and turn what is actually the truth.
 
Come on..it is not fair. We are being stereotyped and when we speak up, you dont really support us.

But let a hearing parent that implanted a child arrive here, and it will be all hugs and kisses.:roll: So much for validating the Deaf perspective.
 
You should take it as a compliment. He looks to you as someone that holds the torch of power and tries to pull you down.

Not a surprise. Just a daily irritation.:giggle: I really thought that she had the potential to learn and empathize enough to understand the deaf/Deaf perspective. Looks like I was wrong on that count.
 
PFH, are you serious? I leave your series of offensive posts calling me a liar and insisting that I'm spreading misinformation be, respecting your sensitivity to my asking how old your daughter was when she became aware of her Deafness (which you brought up) and about her current school placement ( a not illogical or "prying" question). I didn't see you object when Jillio posted where FJ's kid is at school in big cap letters, and when you ridiculed csign's academic choice to use SEE with her child as if it discredits her opinion about anything else. I expected you to find a graceful way to retract your accusations based on our PMs yesterday, once the emotions subsided, and to frame what you were comfortable discussing in your own words, I told you I'd remove any part of what I'd written that you were uncomfortable with, and respond to any questions I raised in whatever manner you wanted me to.

And then you say something like this? Perpetuating your nastiness?

You were way out of line when you decided to post and make snide remarks about where I work, studied, tossing it out in the forum every chance you got , passing it on to others, threatening to out my identity and background after you conducted your little research project on me. And you are once again out of line continuing this type of attack. You really need to take a look at what you are doing -- I'm not you enemy, you are.

PFH didn't have a need to call me out because my posts were the truth.:cool2:

If you don't want people to know anything about you, you really shouldn't be bringing your personal business onto an internet forum.
 
Come on..it is not fair. We are being stereotyped and when we speak up, you dont really support us.

How is what I'm saying stereotyping? I said that those who are against CIs are small in number. I think they are disproportionately visible on this forum because they tend to post their dislike, lack of support, opposition, or otherwise make their disapproval known every time there's a mention of CIs.
 
PFH didn't have a need to call me out because my posts were the truth.:cool2:

If you don't want people to know anything about you, you really shouldn't be bringing your personal business onto an internet forum.

1. I've never brought my work or my academic background into discussion on this forum.
2. Perhaps you need to direct your advice to PFH
 
How is what I'm saying stereotyping? I said that those who are against CIs are small in number. I think they are disproportionately visible on this forum because they tend to post their dislike, lack of support, opposition, or otherwise make their disapproval known every time there's a mention of CIs.

you were responding to my post to drphil about his tendency to call all Deafs as Deaf Miitants by sayng "Welllllll, there are a FEW. And they do voice their anti-CI views on just about every thread on CIs" without clarifying that they're opposed to CIs in babies and opposition to CIs was not voiced in every thread about CIs. I've checked.

I clearly said the deaf militancy back in the 90s was in regards to CIs in babies.

Your post was an obvious dig and very unsupportive of those drphil was mocking. Thanks Grendel.
 
The lady doth protest too much. Let it go.
 
How is what I'm saying stereotyping? I said that those who are against CIs are small in number. I think they are disproportionately visible on this forum because they tend to post their dislike, lack of support, opposition, or otherwise make their disapproval known every time there's a mention of CIs.

There is one poster who is opposed to CIs across the board. How is that a disproportionate number?
 
you were responding to my post to drphil about his tendency to call all Deafs as Deaf Miitants by sayng "Welllllll, there are a FEW. And they do voice their anti-CI views on just about every thread on CIs" without clarifying that they're opposed to CIs in babies and opposition to CIs was not voiced in every thread about CIs. I've checked.

I clearly said the deaf militancy back in the 90s was in regards to CIs in babies.

Your post was an obvious dig and very unsupportive of those drphil was mocking. Thanks Grendel.

You said that in the 90s Deaf Militancy was about protesting implantation in babies. And that we're now in 2011, different time. So I suppose you are saying those days are over. I added that there are still pockets of protest, but no longer any concerted effort. It probably looks to someone with an active online life like DrPhil that there's more antici sentiment out there than there truly is in real life because of those few on this forum who do post their disapproval in nearly every CI thread.
 
1. I've never brought my work or my academic background into discussion on this forum.
2. Perhaps you need to direct your advice to PFH

Nope. It is directed to you.

What, you think you can come in here and make any claim you choose and not have your credentials questioned? Now that's a bit unrealistic.
 
The lady doth protest too much. Let it go.

It would certainly seem that anything stated by anyone who IDs as Deaf is going to be challenged and an attempt made to discredit it. At least by a couple of posters.
 
You said that in the 90s Deaf Militancy was about protesting implantation in babies. And that we're now in 2011, different time. So I suppose you are saying those days are over. I added that there are still pockets of protest, but no longer any concerted effort. It probably looks to someone with an active online life like DrPhil that there's more antici sentiment out there than there truly is in real life because of those few on this forum who do post their disapproval in nearly every CI thread.

Now I see what PFH was saying.
 
You said that in the 90s Deaf Militancy was about protesting implantation in babies. And that we're now in 2011, different time. So I suppose you are saying those days are over. I added that there are still pockets of protest, but no longer any concerted effort. It probably looks to someone with an active online life like DrPhil that there's more antici sentiment out there than there truly is in real life because of those few on this forum who do post their disapproval in nearly every CI thread.

And, expressing their opinion is a reason to be termed "militant"? I think I am going to start using the terms "hearing militant" and "oral militant."
 
You said that in the 90s Deaf Militancy was about protesting implantation in babies. And that we're now in 2011, different time. So I suppose you are saying those days are over. I added that there are still pockets of protest, but no longer any concerted effort. It probably looks to someone with an active online life like DrPhil that there's more antici sentiment out there than there truly is in real life because of those few on this forum who do post their disapproval in nearly every CI thread.

There are more DrPhils out there than there are of us in here?
Gawd help us all. :lol:
 
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