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DeafCaroline said:
The poor don't pay taxes? that's a big surprise to them

"The reality is that the income tax is one of a number of types of taxes that individuals pay, both over the course of their lifetimes and in a given year, and it makes little sense to treat it as though it were the only one that matters. Some 86 percent of working households pay more in payroll taxes than in federal income taxes. In fact, low- and moderate-income people pay a much larger share of their incomes in federal payroll taxes than high-income people do: taxpayers in the bottom 20 percent of the income scale paid an average of 8.8 percent of their incomes in payroll taxes in 2007, compared to just 1.6 percent for taxpayers in the top 1 percent of the income distribution. ..."
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That (bold) is rather misleading. It is certainly a ratio issue when it comes to income disparity differences and the taxes paid but the bottom line is that the top 25% income earners pay 86% of all federal income taxes while the top 50% income earners pay 97% of all incomes taxes (as of 2005). What counts is the revenues that the Federal govt gets each year.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/05in05tr.xls

Even if you tax at 100% from the rich, it would still not pay off the debt. It has always been a spending problem which continues to completely outstrip the amount of revenues that come in each year.

The "poor" (definition varies) will always pay more on all kinds of taxes relative to the amount they earn. And not just taxes but pay more for the cost of food, supplies and services as prices continue to go up.
 
Beowulf said:
That's cold. I think "burger flippers" (as you call them) deserve more than they are getting paid, since their work is difficult. And I totally disagree about the purpose of minimum-wage jobs, since I notice that most require maximum effort on the part of workers: they were intended to maximize profits from people stuck in ruts.
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No, it isn't cold. I've done my share of minimum wage jobs, including flipping burgers, so I know what I'm saying. I've also cleaned toilets, done (still do) lawn care, worked in a movie theater, and done other less desirable work. Yes, it was at times nasty, hot, uncomfortable, 60-hr weeks, night shifts, and back breaking. But it didn't require a college degree or special technical training, and I didn't expect to do it for my whole life.
 
Reba said:
No, it isn't cold. I've done my share of minimum wage jobs, including flipping burgers, so I know what I'm saying. I've also cleaned toilets, done (still do) lawn care, worked in a movie theater, and done other less desirable work. Yes, it was at times nasty, hot, uncomfortable, 60-hr weeks, night shifts, and back breaking. But it didn't require a college degree or special technical training, and I didn't expect to do it for my whole life.
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So have I. Where is your empathy? Just because we were lucky enough to get out doesn't mean others will be as well. I am a firm believer in livable wages.
 
Reba, ok, so, let's say on average a low income earner pays 8% interest deduction in taxes from their payroll.

Let's say they're earning 9 dollars an hour x 8 hours a day x 260 days (average number of work days in a year = $18,720. 8% of that is deducted from their cheques for taxes = 1496.70 cents. You say they get all that back plus more? And they don't have to pay anything in income tax either?
 
Reba said:
No, it isn't cold. I've done my share of minimum wage jobs, including flipping burgers, so I know what I'm saying. I've also cleaned toilets, done (still do) lawn care, worked in a movie theater, and done other less desirable work. Yes, it was at times nasty, hot, uncomfortable, 60-hr weeks, night shifts, and back breaking. But it didn't require a college degree or special technical training, and I didn't expect to do it for my whole life.
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So how did you advance from your low income jobs?
 
Reba said:
No, it isn't cold. I've done my share of minimum wage jobs, including flipping burgers, so I know what I'm saying. I've also cleaned toilets, done (still do) lawn care, worked in a movie theater, and done other less desirable work. Yes, it was at times nasty, hot, uncomfortable, 60-hr weeks, night shifts, and back breaking. But it didn't require a college degree or special technical training, and I didn't expect to do it for my whole life.
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if not for minimum wages, how do you think you'd advance? :hmm:
 
Reba said:
No, it isn't cold. I've done my share of minimum wage jobs, including flipping burgers, so I know what I'm saying. I've also cleaned toilets, done (still do) lawn care, worked in a movie theater, and done other less desirable work. Yes, it was at times nasty, hot, uncomfortable, 60-hr weeks, night shifts, and back breaking. But it didn't require a college degree or special technical training, and I didn't expect to do it for my whole life.
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Pretty much what I did, too, while as a teen and adult. And to boot I worked as a janitor and math/science tutor while going to grad school and supporting a family at the same time for almost 5 years. I had my share of entry level work.
 
kokonut said:
Pretty much what I did, too, while as a teen and adult. And to boot I worked as a janitor and math/science tutor while going to grad school and supporting a family at the same time for almost 5 years. I had my share of entry level work.
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For $1.90 per hour? :hmm:
 
DeafCaroline said:
Reba, ok, so, let's say on average a low income earner pays 8% interest deduction in taxes from their payroll.

Let's say they're earning 9 dollars an hour x 8 hours a day x 260 days (average number of work days in a year = $18,720. 8% of that is deducted from their cheques for taxes = 1496.70 cents. You say they get all that back plus more? And they don't have to pay anything in income tax either?
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Here, this should help.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15.pdf
Page 37, Table 7
 
netrox said:
For $1.90 per hour? :hmm:
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I dunno about koko but I've worked for as little as $2 dollars per hour in a restaurant. I will grant that that what I got 20 years ago is better than what Mexicans get in 2011 for labor.
 
netrox said:
if not for minimum wages, how do you think you'd advance? :hmm:
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How she advanced? How about while working you look for a better position since you have now the experience under your belt? Or while working went to night school or take college courses for a shot at getting a better job/career once you have your degree?
 
DeafCaroline said:
How did you pay for grad school and support a family on minimum wage?
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Pell grants and student loans help pay for grad school. And the last two years was paid for through a special program called "SCEP" (Student Career Experience Program) with the Federal govt.

I didn't work for minimum wage while I was a grad student.
 
I prefer Reba answers for herself. And kokonut, why don't you just answer a question posed directly to you? How did you manage to get enough money to pay for grad school and support a family on a low income? I am working out the math here and it's not adding up.
 
Beowulf said:
So have I. Where is your empathy? Just because we were lucky enough to get out doesn't mean others will be as well. I am a firm believer in livable wages.
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The purpose of jobs is to make products or provide services that can make money.

The market place and availability of jobs and workers should determine the wages.

I wasn't "lucky." I sacrificed, studied, and worked my way up. I still do lawn care services for under the minimum wage (including five hours in the hot sun yesterday). It didn't happen overnight.
 
deafskeptic said:
I dunno about koko but I've worked for as little as $2 dollars per hour in a restaurant. I will grant that that what I got 20 years ago is better than what Mexicans get in 2011 for labor.
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I seriously doubt that. And not all migrant workers (illegal and legal) do not come from Mexico, either. They're called Hispanics and not "Mexicans."
 
DeafCaroline said:
I prefer Reba answers for herself. And kokonut, why don't you just answer a question posed directly to you? How did you manage to get enough money to pay for grad school and support a family on a low income? I am working out the math here and it's not adding up.
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I already answered.
 
Reba said:
The purpose of jobs is to make products or provide services that can make money.

The market place and availability of jobs and workers should determine the wages.

I wasn't "lucky." I sacrificed, studied, and worked my way up. I still do lawn care services for under the minimum wage (including five hours in the hot sun yesterday). It didn't happen overnight.
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That's the obvious key. People "work their way up." It's either you make a decision to stay with low end jobs or find a way to get a better job or career. Sacrifices will have to be made in order to move forward and upward.
 
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