Sarah Palin History Lesson on Paul Revere!!

kokonut said:
You brought up the American thing. I merely pointed out that Americans did not exist at the time of Paul Revere's ride and warnings.
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Alright, fine. Not even gonna argue the American thing.

Still haven't answered my question. You seem to believe that:

"She was correct."

is the same thing as:

"That was her intent."

They are different things. Simple yes or no question: "Do you believe what she said was what she MEANT?"
 
saywhatkid said:
So, do you believe it was her intention to say this? You do not think she goofed, even at the beginning of this, when you were trying to defuse the skeptics?
(This is the third time I have asked this) :wave:
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I already addressed that (see post #78). Yes, it was her intention. After all, like I said again, she just visited Paul Revere's house that day. Her account was historically accurate. Are you saying it wasn't accurate and that P.R. never warned the British soldiers about what's ahead of them?
 
Daredevel7 said:
Alright, fine. Not even gonna argue the American thing.

Still haven't answered my question. You seem to believe that:

"She was correct."

is the same thing as:

"That was her intent."

They are different things. Simple yes or no question: "Do you believe what she said was what she MEANT?"
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I already answered your question...twice...via to saywhatkid. I made clear that she already visited P.R.'s house and she probably learned her history there when she was asked about it afterwards. Saying that, showed, yes, that was her intent.

Now, did or did not P.R. warn the British (soldiers..aka...redcoats) about what's ahead of them?
 
Daredevel7 said:
Alright, fine. Not even gonna argue the American thing.
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Good. Don't call them Americans. It's not historically accurate. Colonists, yes. British citizens, yes. British colonists, yes. Americans, no. Until after July 4, 1776 that is.
 
kokonut said:
I already addressed that (see post #78). Yes, it was her intention. After all, like I said again, she just visited Paul Revere's house that day. Her account was historically accurate. Are you saying it wasn't accurate and that P.R. never warned the British soldiers about what's ahead of them?
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Finally!!!! You said it was her intent (as opposed to "She was accurate"). Alright well, I'm done with this, then. I simply disagree with you. I understand that she just came out of the museum/house so it should be "fresh in her memory" but I personally think it was information overload and she got details mixed up. It's that simple.

It doesn't affect my view on her or anything. I'd do the same for some (not all) of the gaffes she makes. Her gaffes? They don't make me think any less of her. My views of her have always been negative.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Finally!!!! You said it was her intent (as opposed to "She was accurate"). Alright well, I'm done with this, then. I simply disagree with you. I understand that she just came out of the museum/house so it should be "fresh in her memory" but I personally think it was information overload and she got details mixed up. It's that simple.
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I already told you she just visited Paul Revere's house and learned his history. Reporters asked her a question about P.R. She recounted it accurately. It's a given that her answer was intent because after all, she just visited his house and learned some history. That's where the intent comes from. Reporters asked her and now said she was wrong. Well, she just got out of P.R.'s house and recounted the history accurately.

I don't see it as info overload. She correctly recounted that history and the British soldiers were indeed warned by P.R.
 
kokonut said:
You brought up the American thing. I merely pointed out that Americans did not exist at the time of Paul Revere's ride and warnings.
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how convenient of you to snip something out

Fox's Chris Wallace: You realized that you messed up about Paul Revere, don't you?

Palin: You know what? I didn't mess up about Paul Revere. Here is what Paul Revere did. He warned the Americans that the British were coming, the British were coming, and they were going to try take our arms and we got to make sure that we were protecting ourselves and shoring up all of ammunitions and our firearms so that they couldn't take it.

But remember that the British had already been there, many soldiers for seven years in that area. And part of Paul Revere's ride — and it wasn't just one ride — he was a courier, he was a messenger. Part of his ride was to warn the British that we're already there. That, hey, you're not going to succeed. You're not going to take American arms. You are not going to beat our own well-armed persons, individual, private militia that we have. He did warn the British.

And in a shout-out, gotcha type of question that was asked of me, I answered candidly. And I know my American history.
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kokonut said:
I already addressed that (see post #78). Yes, it was her intention. After all, like I said again, she just visited Paul Revere's house that day. Her account was historically accurate. Are you saying it wasn't accurate and that P.R. never warned the British soldiers about what's ahead of them?
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I am saying that it appears he was warning pre-Revolutionary Troops. All European people living within the borders of the Original 13 Colonies were considered British. That was the purpose of the war, to get the British out.

Why did you *shrug* at the beginning of this if you knew she was right? I shrugged throughout the entire thread, offering that anyone is capable of making an error in speech, but that it did not diminish their intelligence. Then you saw the cavalry ride into town with your salvation, and went on the attack. I never said she was ignorant. I said she was most likely bright. I like both sides. Your infatuation with the Right/Conservatives does not permit an unbiased opinion. So it goes.
 
saywhatkid said:
I am saying that it appears he was warning pre-Revolutionary Troops. All European people living within the borders of the Original 13 Colonies were considered British. That was the purpose of the war, to get the British out.

Why did you *shrug* at the beginning of this if you knew she was right? I shrugged throughout the entire thread, offering that anyone is capable of making an error in speech, but that it did not diminish their intelligence. Then you saw the cavalry ride into town with your salvation, and went on the attack. I never said she was ignorant. I said she was most likely bright. I like both sides. Your infatuation with the Right/Conservatives does not permit an unbiased opinion. So it goes.
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What did you expect from someone who doesn't know whether he's a fruit, a nut or a seed?
 
saywhatkid said:
I am saying that it appears she was warning pre-Revolutionary Troops. All European people living within the borders of the Original 13 Colonies were considered British. That was the purpose of the war, to get the British out.

Why did you *shrug* at the beginning of this if you knew she was right? I shrugged throughout the entire thread, offering that anyone is capable of making an error in speech, but that it did not diminish their intelligence. Then you saw the cavalry ride into town with your salvation, and went on the attack. I never said she was ignorant. I said she was most likely bright. I like both sides. Your infatuation with the Right/Conservatives does not permit an unbiased opinion. So it goes.
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Pre-revolutionary troops? Sure. By one day. Paul Revere's midnight ride was on April 18, 1775. The Revolutionary War began in April 19, 1775. And certainly, it was about gaining independence from Britain.

My shrug was why worry about her in the first place? Nothing was said about her historical accuracy with that shrug. I just sat and watched, and smiled.

It's all about me, isn't it?
 
deafskeptic said:
Did he ever live in the North pole? Inquiring minds want to know.
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:lol: You know, Christmas Day is basically a combination of celebrating both Saint Nicholas' legacy and the birth of Jesus Christ. Basically, December was the month to celebrate the Saint's legacy and somehow somebody managed to put Jesus Christ in the loop.
 
kokonut said:
I already told you she just visited Paul Revere's house and learned his history. Reporters asked her a question about P.R. She recounted it accurately. It's a given that her answer was intent because after all, she just visited his house and learned some history. That's where the intent comes from. Reporters asked her and now said she was wrong. Well, she just got out of P.R.'s house and recounted the history accurately.

I don't see it as info overload. She correctly recounted that history and the British soldiers were indeed warned by P.R.
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Okay okay I gotta ask one more question.. you don't find it strange that she recounted a relatively small detail of P.R. when the reporter asked such a generic question "Who is Paul Revere?"?

This is similar to asking someone "Who is Mahatma Gandhi?"

"He was umm... a political leader in India. He was a big protestor and wanted independence for India. Many Indians looked up to him and fought along with him. He performed many fasts and believed in violence, only if necessary."

Now, everyone would laugh and go "OMG you idiot. Gandhi was famous for non-violent protests! He is ANYTHING but violent!"

But if you researched DEEPLY, you will find out that he used to beat up his wives by his own admittance.

THEN the person will go "Yea? See? He did perform violence on his wives, so I was accurate."
 
kokonut said:
I already answered that to swk. Paul Revere did warn the British military.

She said, "He who warned, uh, the British that they weren’t gonna be takin’ away our arms..."

Um, there were no Americans to warn at that time. They were all British citizens at the time although they, the colonies, were trying to gain independence from Britain at the time. This Midnight Ride happened on April 18, 1775 which was more than a full year before that nation became independent (July 4, 1776) known as the United States of America where people then became known as "Americans."

Sarah got it correct. She already visited P.R.'s house and probably learned the history there. She recounted it correctly. So, yes, it's accurate. Not precise but accurate.
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Meh. They say if you put a dozen monkeys in front of typewriters, in a couple of centuries they will write Shakespeare. I guess Palin just had a jump start. :lol:
 
Daredevel7 said:
Okay okay I gotta ask one more question.. you don't find it strange that she recounted a relatively small detail of P.R. when the reporter asked such a generic question "Who is Paul Revere?"?

This is similar to asking someone "Who is Mahatma Gandhi?"

"He was umm... a political leader in India. He was a big protestor and wanted independence for India. Many Indians looked up to him and fought along with him. He performed many fasts and believed in violence, only if necessary."

Now, everyone would laugh and go "OMG you idiot. Gandhi was famous for non-violent protests! He is ANYTHING but violent!"

But if you researched DEEPLY, you will find out that he used to beat up his wives by his own admittance.

THEN the person will go "Yea? See? He did perform violence on his wives, so I was accurate."
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Why bother going into detail. She made a quick, short historical account. Results? Media ends up with eggs on their faces. Now, they are furiously trying to cover their tracks. End of story.
 
kokonut said:
Why bother going into detail. She made a quick, short historical account. Results? Media ends up with eggs on their faces. Now, they are furiously trying to cover their tracks. End of story.
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But.. that's my point, she "went into a small detail" about P.R. for a generic question. That's why its like ??!?!
 
kokonut said:
Not the kiddies' version. :wave:
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If Saint Nicholas never existed, we wouldn't have the so-called kiddies' version. He had to come from somewhere, he didn't just appear out of thin air. :wave:
 
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