but I think it'll rub a LOT of people the wrong way. I don't know but, is the US doing this out of fear for future leaks? Seems very risky to try to charge Assange.Gahhhhh this bites.
Wikileaks leak 250,000 classified files
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but I think it'll rub a LOT of people the wrong way. I don't know but, is the US doing this out of fear for future leaks? Seems very risky to try to charge Assange.Gahhhhh this bites.
Gahhhhh this bites.
That's the thing. It doesn't make sense because espionage is often committed by the government, not individuals. From what I know, Assange isn't spying on anyone for a particular government. Right?
The US government is well-known for having spies in every country around the world. So wouldn't that be considered espionage? It's the same with Russia and other countries.
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no. it can ALSO be committed by an individual selling it for other government or an individual for profit gain.
ie. corporate espionage. former FBI agent Robert Hanssen
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it would be espionage in that country only if US spies obtained the secrets illegally from them. it's up to that country to announce it publicly but most doesn't because it would be embarrassing.
Exactly. Assange is more journalistic than whatever terms American politician can come up. The problem isn't Assange. It's the people who leak them and the people who spend tax dollars and time writing bs when we should valuing other forms of diplomacy.
But he's American. Assange is not.
The duty of a spy is to obtain military and political information. So it's always espionage, no matter what if you think about it.
Otherwise, there's no point in calling them spies.
If another country charges that person or accuse that government of behaving badly, then kick them out. That's about all you a host country can do. It seems the US is " out for blood" (or witch hunt) without acknowledging or accepting their own mistakes.
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Espionage means illegally obtaining a classified information. it doesn't matter what the spy's nationality is. if the foreign spy is captured, he/she will be charged with espionage in the country and be locked up at a classified location for life.
it is common tactic for both countries to negotiate with thru secret proxy to make a valuable exchange. I think we will see something like this in WikiLeaks.
Remember Anna Chapman?
She's a very hot Russian spy in America. She was recently arrested by FBI... along with 11 other Russian spies. They're held without bail at undisclosed location.
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I don't think I've ever heard of a country including USA expelling spies or people accused of espionage.
Espionage means illegally obtaining a classified information. it doesn't matter what the spy's nationality is. if the foreign spy is captured, he/she will be charged with espionage in the country and be locked up at a classified location for life.
it is common tactic for both countries to negotiate with thru secret proxy to make a valuable exchange. I think we will see something like this in WikiLeaks.
Remember Anna Chapman?
Wikileaks is not harbored by any legitimate government. It's not Australia's responsibilty to shut down Wikileaks (good luck with that)
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it doesn't matter what government. Like I said - espionage means illegally obtaining a classified material. It doesn't matter who or what. The act itself is illegal. Assange did not do such thing. Only PFC Bradley Manning.
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since Assange is too hot... he's untouchable.
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exactly!!!!
why are we so fixated on Assange? not Manning or our government? How can a "lowly" level like PFC can get his hands on an extremely highly-classified material that easily? It's hilarious that our government is acting like PFC "hacked" our system or something but NOOOOOOOOOO he didn't! He simply moved his mouse and clicked, clicked, clicked... drag and drop the files into thumbdrive. that simple!
... Maybe it's better we dont know the exact process?Absurd how easily he got it. Politically speaking sure it's outrageous. But usually it takes time and actual cases to prevent technological disasters like this.
From my personal experience with government and being in a very loose (from a security standpoint) office, I can see where someone with the intention of stealing information (which will be released much later at any level of clearance). I guess what I'm trying to say is: manning you're an idiot for releasing information that gets published much later anyways...why risk treason? To brag about it online? Score infamous points? Anybody who uses government resources should be well aware of leaking information without goin through proper procedures. Otherwise you're in deep shit.
exactly!!!!
why are we so fixated on Assange? not Manning or our government? How can a "lowly" level like PFC can get his hands on an extremely highly-classified material that easily? It's hilarious that our government is acting like PFC "hacked" our system or something but NOOOOOOOOOO he didn't! He simply moved his mouse and clicke
d, clicked, clicked... drag and drop the files into thumbdrive. that simple!
Yeah I get a bit peeved when people say "hack" in this case. He had 100% (this is an assumption) security clearance to view,copy and paste whatever files. A true hacker assembles hardware and/or software packages to illegally obtain data. "social engineering" is a hacking technique.
After writing that I'll try to dig up done info on manning
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Assange distributed classified material to the public. He does not hold a position within the US Government, or any government, with the authority to declassify classified information.
The act in and of itself is illegal.
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