Wikileaks leak 250,000 classified files

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that isn't even a gray area. Anything that has been illegally published/declassified does not criminalize the public. It criminalizes the publisher.

have you read Amendment 1? Did you know Supreme Court was explicit on this? It is legal for them to publish it but it is illegal to obtain it. Assange did not obtain it illegally.

Did Assange obtain it from government himself? Did Assange hack into government's computer?
 
have you read Amendment 1? Did you know Supreme Court was explicit on this? It is legal for them to publish it but it is illegal to obtain it. Assange did not obtain it illegally.

Did Assange obtain it from government himself? Did Assange hack into government's computer?

As I said earlier, You and I are in no position to say whether or not a law has been violated, the Attorney General of the USDOJ is.

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It is my personal *opinion* that Assange violated the Espionage Act of 1917 and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

And yes, I know you have a different opinion. Our opinions do not matter.

and.... you just said - you are in no position to say whether or not a law has been violated.... so why bother asserting your opinion?

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few posts above. look up.

You belong in an English 60 class.

As I said earlier, You and I are in no position to say whether or not a law has been violated, the Attorney General of the USDOJ is.

Are you claiming you are the US Attorney General now and that your *opinion* matters?

Maybe you had a few with matajan ?
 
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The U.S.'s Weak Legal Case Against WikiLeaks
So now that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has been rounded up in Britain on a warrant out of Sweden, where he's wanted for questioning in two sex assault cases, what would it take for the U.S. government to prosecute him for publishing — and disseminating to newspapers around the world — thousands of classified State Department cables? And what would it mean for freedom of speech and the press in America if it tried?

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell went so far as to label Assange a high-tech terrorist. "He has done enormous damage to our country and I think he needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And if that becomes a problem, we need to change the law," McConnell said on NBC's Meet the Press Sunday. Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday vowed to examine every statute possible to bring charges against Assange, including some that have never before been used to prosecute a publisher. And in the Senate, some members are already readying a bill that could lower the current legal threshold for when revealing state secrets is considered a crime.

But efforts in either direction will likely run into the same obstacle: The First Amendment. Thanks to nearly a century of cases dealing with the clash between national security and the freedom of the press, the Constitution provides enormous protection for publishers of state secrets. Those who leak the secrets in the first place — government officials, even soldiers, for instance — can and are prosecuted, such as Army private, Bradley Manning, now sitting in a military prison after having been charged with illegally downloading secret files amid suspicions that he gave them to WikiLeaks.

Putting someone like Assange in jail for publishing documents he did not himself steal, on the other hand, is exactly the kind of thing that First Amendment makes difficult. "From everything we've seen, [Manning] was merely responding to the notion that Assange might publish the cables," former CIA inspector general Frederick P. Hitz told TIME. "There's nothing to show that Assange played an active role in obtaining the information." He conceded that the leaks had been tremendously damaging, but added "I don't see any easy effort there" in pursuing charges.

What worries famed First Amendment attorney Floyd Abrams is that if the government stretches to get around the Constitution to charge Assange, it may end up damaging the press freedoms enjoyed by every publisher. Nobody should applaud Assange, Abrams told TIME, but trying to remedy the harm he caused could easily leave the country worse off. "WikiLeaks may just be the price we pay for freedom of the press in this country," Abrams said.

Lieberman wants the Senate to draft legislation that will lower the threshold for espionage prosecutions in the future. It wouldn't be the first time Congress has tried. A decade ago, Congress passed a bill that would have done just that, only to have President Clinton veto it just weeks before leaving office. That bill would have put America on footing similar to that of many other countries, including some other democracies. In the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Ireland and many other nations, publication of classified information is a crime simply because the material was secret. But not in this country. "There is no Official Secrets Act" here, Abrams points out.

The only real ammunition America has to protect state secrets, most legal observers agree, is the Espionage Act of 1917, signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson amid fears of domestic unrest and possible sabotage as American entered the First World War. It's a broadly worded act, still on the books, that on its face would make stealing or sharing secrets from the government a federal crime — if a jury agreed that doing so harmed America or aided a foreign power. But Abrams said courts soon recognized that such a broadly worded statute could "make illegal many things that American newspapers publish every day. It was over-broad and covered much too much material." As a result, the Supreme Court spent most of the 20th Century steadily narrowing the Espionage Act's reach when it comes to the news media's publication of secrets.

Some of the most famous cases from those years have almost eerie parallels to the current furor. In 1971, the Nixon Administration tried to stop the New York Times and Washington Post from running reports based on a highly classified secret history of the ongoing Vietnam War. The Supreme Court stopped the government in a 6-3 ruling in favor of the press. The so-called Pentagon Papers opinion was unsigned, and every justice wrote a separate opinion. In a widely cited concurrence, Justice Potter Stewart wrote that he agreed that publication of the secrets during an active war in Vietnam was damaging the U.S. But that wasn't enough, he concluded. "We are asked, quite simply, to prevent the publication by two newspapers of material that the Executive Branch insists should not, in the national interest, be published. I am convinced that the Executive is correct with respect to some of the documents involved. But I cannot say that disclosure of any of them will surely result in direct, immediate, and irreparable harm to our Nation, or its people."

simple - why focus on Assange? What he did was deplorable but he did nothing illegal. We should not trash the very foundation of the Constitution in the name of national security.

As late Supreme Court Judge Potter Steward said -
Stewart's conclusion that it's the President's responsibility, not the press's, to keep secret the nation's secrets — and to be judicious in deciding which are secrets worth keeping — could easily apply today. Hitz, too, sees old echoes in the current case. He deplores the documents' release, but said the very real damage they does not warrant prosecution in light of the First Amendment. "I am terribly concerned about it," he told TIME. "You have to have good information sharing among governments and among intelligence providers if you are going to prosecute this war on terrorism. And this is going to slow these efforts down as a matter of course. The disclosures are going to make (foreign intelligence agencies) more possessive with the information they have."
 
You belong in an English 60 class.



Are you claiming you are the US Attorney General now and that your *opinion* matters?

Maybe you had a few with matajan ?

what I'm claiming is that USDOJ, Supreme Court, and the Constitution are in agreement with my "opinion".

Your opinion resembles fascism. :eek3:
 
Some people have a hard time accepting mistakes

And the reality. Seriously. C'mon enough with Assange. Waste of time and taxpayer dollars. Jumpstart the economy ya Two year termed bums
 
ah! so on December 16th - there will be a meeting called "Hearing on the Espionage Act and the Legal and Constitutional Issues Raised by WikiLeaks"

WikiLeaks Congressional Hearing Set for Dec. 16 - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
The House Judiciary Committee will hold a Dec. 16 hearing on the potential application of U.S. espionage laws in relation to WikiLeaks, the committee announced on Friday, marking the first such hearing to address the website's recent release of classified U.S. diplomatic cables.

The meeting, officially entitled the "Hearing on the Espionage Act and the Legal and Constitutional Issues Raised by WikiLeaks," will address how espionage laws can be updated and effectively implemented in the digital era, MSNBC reports.
 
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