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so you're saying ALL news organizations which also published such information are criminals too? including Fox News?
Wikileaks leak 250,000 classified files
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so you're saying ALL news organizations which also published such information are criminals too? including Fox News?
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If someone gave me another person's private bank account information, that they obtained illegally, and I published it for the world to see - yes, that would be criminal.
If a person gave me private information about a competing business, and I used it to destroy my competition, that would be industrial and economic espionage.
btw, George Soros has a record of doing this.
If a person gave me private information about a competing business, and I used it to destroy my competition, that would be industrial and economic espionage.
btw, George Soros has a record of doing this.
It is probably a good thing Wikileaks came about. How else can the public know of our dirty works? I am not surprised to have learned about the ambassador who walked with 40 million in a suitcase. We need to know more.
(BTW, I cannot SWEAR I read this about the ambassador, so feel free to correct me, lol.)
(BTW, I cannot SWEAR I read this about the ambassador, so feel free to correct me, lol.)
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I see - not answering my questions as usual. In case you didn't know - the Supreme Court has already ruled in this kind of situation several times. the news organization and Assange are protected by Amendment 1.
The only case in here is that USDOJ is investigating on whether or not Assange facilitated or instructed Bradley Manning in the first place to commit espionage. As reported by USDOJ and news... Assange did not do such thing.
The hacker who was working with Manning reported to FBI about Manning's illegal activity. It was too late because Manning, perhaps out of desperation before his arrest, already sent documents to Assange.
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You got just one thing correct, Manning obtained classified information illegally.
Anyone who aids or abets a criminal in participating in criminal activity can be charged.
That is where Assange comes in the picture.
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do you agree that all news organizations including Fox News should be criminally charged too?
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did they release any of the cables?
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yes. thousands. I got my info from news, not wikileaks. I have never read wikileaks.
exactly!!!!
why are we so fixated on Assange? not Manning or our government? How can a "lowly" level like PFC can get his hands on an extremely highly-classified material that easily? It's hilarious that our government is acting like PFC "hacked" our system or something but NOOOOOOOOOO he didn't! He simply moved his mouse and clicked, clicked, clicked... drag and drop the files into thumbdrive. that simple!
Did George Soros obtain "classified" information about Iranain nuclear activity?
Your point is fruitless..."confessions of an economic hitman". Gross. But I still buy gasoline.
Blah. This whole issue reminds me of my desire to remain in academia. Relying on self-analysis without a lot of data or access to data makes it hard to pass a resemblance to judgment
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The massive campaign of intimidation against WikiLeaks is sending a chill through free press advocates everywhere.
Legal experts say WikiLeaks has likely broken no laws. Yet top US politicians have called it a terrorist group and commentators have urged assassination of its staff. The organization has come under massive government and corporate attack, but WikiLeaks is only publishing information provided by a whistleblower. And it has partnered with the world's leading newspapers (NYT, Guardian, Spiegel etc) to carefully vet the information it publishes.
The massive extra-judicial intimidation of WikiLeaks is an attack on democracy. We urgently need a public outcry for freedom of the press and expression. Sign the petition to stop the crackdown and forward this email to everyone -- let's get to 1 million voices and take out full page ads in US newspapers this week!
Avaaz.org - WikiLeaks: Stop the crackdown
WikiLeaks isn't acting alone -- it's partnered with the top newspapers in the world (New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, etc) to carefully review 250,000 US diplomatic cables and remove any information that it is irresponsible to publish. Only 800 cables have been published so far. Past WikiLeaks publications have exposed government-backed torture, the murder of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, and corporate corruption.
The US government is currently pursuing all legal avenues to stop WikiLeaks from publishing more cables, but the laws of democracies protect freedom of the press. The US and other governments may not like the laws that protect our freedom of expression, but that's exactly why it's so important that we have them, and why only a democratic process can change them.
Reasonable people can disagree on whether WikiLeaks and the leading newspapers it's partnered with are releasing more information than the public should see. Whether the releases undermine diplomatic confidentiality and whether that's a good thing. Whether WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has the personal character of a hero or a villain. But none of this justifies a vicious campaign of intimidation to silence a legal media outlet by governments and corporations. Click below to join the call to stop the crackdown:
Avaaz.org - WikiLeaks: Stop the crackdown
Ever wonder why the media so rarely gives the full story of what happens behind the scenes? This is why - because when they do, governments can be vicious in their response. And when that happens, it's up to the public to stand up for our democratic rights to a free press and freedom of expression. Never has there been a more vital time for us to do so.
With hope,
Ricken, Emma, Alex, Alice, Maria Paz and the rest of the Avaaz team.
SOURCES:
Law experts say WikiLeaks in the clear (ABC)
The World Today - Law experts say WikiLeaks in the clear 07/12/2010
WikiLeaks are a bunch of terrorists, says leading U.S. congressman (Mail Online)
WikiLeaks are terrorists says leading US congressman Peter King | Mail Online
Cyber guerrillas can help US (Financial Times)
FT.com / Comment / Opinion - Cyber guerrillas can help US
Amazon drops WikiLeaks under political pressure (Yahoo)
Amazon drops WikiLeaks under political pressure - Yahoo! News
"WikiLeaks avenged by hacktivists" (PC World):
Operation Payback: WikiLeaks Avenged by Hacktivists - PCWorld Business Center
US Gov shows true control over Internet with WikiLeaks containment (Tippett.org)
US Gov shows true control over Internet with Wikileaks containment | Tippett.org - by Michael Tippett
US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee (The Guardian)
US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee | World news | The Guardian
WikiLeaks ditched by MasterCard, Visa. Who's next? (The Christian Science Monitor)
WikiLeaks ditched by MasterCard, Visa. Who's next? - CSMonitor.com
Assange's Interpol Warrant Is for Having Sex Without a Condom (The Slatest)
The most important news and commentary to read right now. - The Slatest - Slate Magazine
Legal experts say WikiLeaks has likely broken no laws. Yet top US politicians have called it a terrorist group and commentators have urged assassination of its staff. The organization has come under massive government and corporate attack, but WikiLeaks is only publishing information provided by a whistleblower. And it has partnered with the world's leading newspapers (NYT, Guardian, Spiegel etc) to carefully vet the information it publishes.
The massive extra-judicial intimidation of WikiLeaks is an attack on democracy. We urgently need a public outcry for freedom of the press and expression. Sign the petition to stop the crackdown and forward this email to everyone -- let's get to 1 million voices and take out full page ads in US newspapers this week!
Avaaz.org - WikiLeaks: Stop the crackdown
WikiLeaks isn't acting alone -- it's partnered with the top newspapers in the world (New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, etc) to carefully review 250,000 US diplomatic cables and remove any information that it is irresponsible to publish. Only 800 cables have been published so far. Past WikiLeaks publications have exposed government-backed torture, the murder of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, and corporate corruption.
The US government is currently pursuing all legal avenues to stop WikiLeaks from publishing more cables, but the laws of democracies protect freedom of the press. The US and other governments may not like the laws that protect our freedom of expression, but that's exactly why it's so important that we have them, and why only a democratic process can change them.
Reasonable people can disagree on whether WikiLeaks and the leading newspapers it's partnered with are releasing more information than the public should see. Whether the releases undermine diplomatic confidentiality and whether that's a good thing. Whether WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has the personal character of a hero or a villain. But none of this justifies a vicious campaign of intimidation to silence a legal media outlet by governments and corporations. Click below to join the call to stop the crackdown:
Avaaz.org - WikiLeaks: Stop the crackdown
Ever wonder why the media so rarely gives the full story of what happens behind the scenes? This is why - because when they do, governments can be vicious in their response. And when that happens, it's up to the public to stand up for our democratic rights to a free press and freedom of expression. Never has there been a more vital time for us to do so.
With hope,
Ricken, Emma, Alex, Alice, Maria Paz and the rest of the Avaaz team.
SOURCES:
Law experts say WikiLeaks in the clear (ABC)
The World Today - Law experts say WikiLeaks in the clear 07/12/2010
WikiLeaks are a bunch of terrorists, says leading U.S. congressman (Mail Online)
WikiLeaks are terrorists says leading US congressman Peter King | Mail Online
Cyber guerrillas can help US (Financial Times)
FT.com / Comment / Opinion - Cyber guerrillas can help US
Amazon drops WikiLeaks under political pressure (Yahoo)
Amazon drops WikiLeaks under political pressure - Yahoo! News
"WikiLeaks avenged by hacktivists" (PC World):
Operation Payback: WikiLeaks Avenged by Hacktivists - PCWorld Business Center
US Gov shows true control over Internet with WikiLeaks containment (Tippett.org)
US Gov shows true control over Internet with Wikileaks containment | Tippett.org - by Michael Tippett
US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee (The Guardian)
US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee | World news | The Guardian
WikiLeaks ditched by MasterCard, Visa. Who's next? (The Christian Science Monitor)
WikiLeaks ditched by MasterCard, Visa. Who's next? - CSMonitor.com
Assange's Interpol Warrant Is for Having Sex Without a Condom (The Slatest)
The most important news and commentary to read right now. - The Slatest - Slate Magazine
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The massive campaign of intimidation against WikiLeaks is sending a chill through free press advocates everywhere.
Legal experts say WikiLeaks has likely broken no laws. Yet top US politicians have called it a terrorist group and commentators have urged assassination of its staff. The organization has come under massive government and corporate attack, but WikiLeaks is only publishing information provided by a whistleblower. And it has partnered with the world's leading newspapers (NYT, Guardian, Spiegel etc) to carefully vet the information it publishes.
The massive extra-judicial intimidation of WikiLeaks is an attack on democracy. We urgently need a public outcry for freedom of the press and expression. Sign the petition to stop the crackdown and forward this email to everyone -- let's get to 1 million voices and take out full page ads in US newspapers this week!
Avaaz.org - WikiLeaks: Stop the crackdown
WikiLeaks isn't acting alone -- it's partnered with the top newspapers in the world (New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, etc) to carefully review 250,000 US diplomatic cables and remove any information that it is irresponsible to publish. Only 800 cables have been published so far. Past WikiLeaks publications have exposed government-backed torture, the murder of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, and corporate corruption.
The US government is currently pursuing all legal avenues to stop WikiLeaks from publishing more cables, but the laws of democracies protect freedom of the press. The US and other governments may not like the laws that protect our freedom of expression, but that's exactly why it's so important that we have them, and why only a democratic process can change them.
Reasonable people can disagree on whether WikiLeaks and the leading newspapers it's partnered with are releasing more information than the public should see. Whether the releases undermine diplomatic confidentiality and whether that's a good thing. Whether WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has the personal character of a hero or a villain. But none of this justifies a vicious campaign of intimidation to silence a legal media outlet by governments and corporations. Click below to join the call to stop the crackdown:
Avaaz.org - WikiLeaks: Stop the crackdown
Ever wonder why the media so rarely gives the full story of what happens behind the scenes? This is why - because when they do, governments can be vicious in their response. And when that happens, it's up to the public to stand up for our democratic rights to a free press and freedom of expression. Never has there been a more vital time for us to do so.
With hope,
Ricken, Emma, Alex, Alice, Maria Paz and the rest of the Avaaz team.
SOURCES:
Law experts say WikiLeaks in the clear (ABC)
The World Today - Law experts say WikiLeaks in the clear 07/12/2010
WikiLeaks are a bunch of terrorists, says leading U.S. congressman (Mail Online)
WikiLeaks are terrorists says leading US congressman Peter King | Mail Online
Cyber guerrillas can help US (Financial Times)
FT.com / Comment / Opinion - Cyber guerrillas can help US
Amazon drops WikiLeaks under political pressure (Yahoo)
Amazon drops WikiLeaks under political pressure - Yahoo! News
"WikiLeaks avenged by hacktivists" (PC World):
Operation Payback: WikiLeaks Avenged by Hacktivists - PCWorld Business Center
US Gov shows true control over Internet with WikiLeaks containment (Tippett.org)
US Gov shows true control over Internet with Wikileaks containment | Tippett.org - by Michael Tippett
US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee (The Guardian)
US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee | World news | The Guardian
WikiLeaks ditched by MasterCard, Visa. Who's next? (The Christian Science Monitor)
WikiLeaks ditched by MasterCard, Visa. Who's next? - CSMonitor.com
Assange's Interpol Warrant Is for Having Sex Without a Condom (The Slatest)
The most important news and commentary to read right now. - The Slatest - Slate Magazine
Legal experts say WikiLeaks has likely broken no laws. Yet top US politicians have called it a terrorist group and commentators have urged assassination of its staff. The organization has come under massive government and corporate attack, but WikiLeaks is only publishing information provided by a whistleblower. And it has partnered with the world's leading newspapers (NYT, Guardian, Spiegel etc) to carefully vet the information it publishes.
The massive extra-judicial intimidation of WikiLeaks is an attack on democracy. We urgently need a public outcry for freedom of the press and expression. Sign the petition to stop the crackdown and forward this email to everyone -- let's get to 1 million voices and take out full page ads in US newspapers this week!
Avaaz.org - WikiLeaks: Stop the crackdown
WikiLeaks isn't acting alone -- it's partnered with the top newspapers in the world (New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, etc) to carefully review 250,000 US diplomatic cables and remove any information that it is irresponsible to publish. Only 800 cables have been published so far. Past WikiLeaks publications have exposed government-backed torture, the murder of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, and corporate corruption.
The US government is currently pursuing all legal avenues to stop WikiLeaks from publishing more cables, but the laws of democracies protect freedom of the press. The US and other governments may not like the laws that protect our freedom of expression, but that's exactly why it's so important that we have them, and why only a democratic process can change them.
Reasonable people can disagree on whether WikiLeaks and the leading newspapers it's partnered with are releasing more information than the public should see. Whether the releases undermine diplomatic confidentiality and whether that's a good thing. Whether WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has the personal character of a hero or a villain. But none of this justifies a vicious campaign of intimidation to silence a legal media outlet by governments and corporations. Click below to join the call to stop the crackdown:
Avaaz.org - WikiLeaks: Stop the crackdown
Ever wonder why the media so rarely gives the full story of what happens behind the scenes? This is why - because when they do, governments can be vicious in their response. And when that happens, it's up to the public to stand up for our democratic rights to a free press and freedom of expression. Never has there been a more vital time for us to do so.
With hope,
Ricken, Emma, Alex, Alice, Maria Paz and the rest of the Avaaz team.
SOURCES:
Law experts say WikiLeaks in the clear (ABC)
The World Today - Law experts say WikiLeaks in the clear 07/12/2010
WikiLeaks are a bunch of terrorists, says leading U.S. congressman (Mail Online)
WikiLeaks are terrorists says leading US congressman Peter King | Mail Online
Cyber guerrillas can help US (Financial Times)
FT.com / Comment / Opinion - Cyber guerrillas can help US
Amazon drops WikiLeaks under political pressure (Yahoo)
Amazon drops WikiLeaks under political pressure - Yahoo! News
"WikiLeaks avenged by hacktivists" (PC World):
Operation Payback: WikiLeaks Avenged by Hacktivists - PCWorld Business Center
US Gov shows true control over Internet with WikiLeaks containment (Tippett.org)
US Gov shows true control over Internet with Wikileaks containment | Tippett.org - by Michael Tippett
US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee (The Guardian)
US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee | World news | The Guardian
WikiLeaks ditched by MasterCard, Visa. Who's next? (The Christian Science Monitor)
WikiLeaks ditched by MasterCard, Visa. Who's next? - CSMonitor.com
Assange's Interpol Warrant Is for Having Sex Without a Condom (The Slatest)
The most important news and commentary to read right now. - The Slatest - Slate Magazine
Lying is Not Patriotic
Here is the text of the speech Ron Paul gave to the House of Representatives yesterday. He is spot on.
Here is the text of the speech Ron Paul gave to the House of Representatives yesterday. He is spot on.
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Which news sources released classified government cables?
I have yet to see any classified cables released by the news source you mentioned. They have reported that wikileaks released them and I haven't seen one classified cable on their news network anywhere.
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Where is the actual cable?
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you don't believe summarizing it or talking about it is criminal?
btw - you didn't answer my question in my post #229 so I ask again -
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that isn't even a gray area. Anything that has been illegally published/declassified does not criminalize the public. It criminalizes the publisher.
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