India, China won't sign Copenhagen Accord

Foxrac said:
Mexico is fast growing country but pollution is much lower than China because Mexico has strict pollution control so kudos to Mexico.

No, I wouldn't accept if air quality goes unsafe, I'm worrying about LA because that where my parent is currently live in and when pollution in China become much worse and worse so it could make air quality in LA goes bad so that put humans in dangers, don't say any word about pollution is cheap or harmless to me because I know that you made stupid post, no offense.

China should follow about what Mexico is doing, China CAN do it but would be VERY HARD due China is communist country and don't give a fuck about pollution issue.
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ah yes.. yes... Mexico... a strict pollution control.... with help of Americans :)
 
Jiro, it's like night and day at the border between El Paso, TX and Juarez, Mexico when air pollution are concerned. A thick ungodly brown haze just sits over their in Mexico easily seen from across the border. And when El Paso get their southernly wind going all that pollution craps spill over into El Paso. I see it all the time when I traveled to El Paso from my home in Alamogordo, NM.

Check out the photo.
Stock Photo of Panoramic View Of Skyline And Downtown El Paso Texas Looking Toward Juarez Mexico - World of Stock Photos

Not much for "strict pollution control."
 
kokonut said:
Jiro, it's like night and day at the border between El Paso, TX and Juarez, Mexico when air pollution are concerned. A thick ungodly brown haze just sits over their in Mexico easily seen from across the border. And when El Paso get their southernly wind going all that pollution craps spill over into El Paso. I see it all the time when I traveled to El Paso from my home in Alamogordo, NM.

Check out the photo.
Stock Photo of Panoramic View Of Skyline And Downtown El Paso Texas Looking Toward Juarez Mexico - World of Stock Photos

Not much for "strict pollution control."
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Mexico City has very strict pollution control like you can't drive everyday but only even and odd days.

Mexico don't have worst pollution issue, unlike China does.
 
kokonut said:
Jiro, it's like night and day at the border between El Paso, TX and Juarez, Mexico when air pollution are concerned. A thick ungodly brown haze just sits over their in Mexico easily seen from across the border. And when El Paso get their southernly wind going all that pollution craps spill over into El Paso. I see it all the time when I traveled to El Paso from my home in Alamogordo, NM.

Check out the photo.
Stock Photo of Panoramic View Of Skyline And Downtown El Paso Texas Looking Toward Juarez Mexico - World of Stock Photos

Not much for "strict pollution control."
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*shrug* that looks normal.. typical of all major cities. That is a significant improvement compared to past where the sky was blackened with smog.
 
Foxrac said:
Mexico City has very strict pollution control like you can't drive everyday but only even and odd days.

Mexico don't have worst pollution issue, unlike China does.
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You didn't say "Mexico City" but "Mexico" as if all of Mexico has strict pollution controls.

Besides in 2002 Mexico City air pollution was worse than Beijing, China. Mexico City was number one while Beijing was number 3.
Air pollution in Mexico City, smog, health effects, fossile fuels


It's still a serious problem today.
Smoke Smudges Mexico City's Air, Chemists Identify Sources
 
Jiro said:
*shrug* that looks normal.. typical of all major cities. That is a significant improvement compared to past where the sky was blackened with smog.
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What major cities? Certainly not to the level and severity like Juarez. In that picture, El Paso's air is much cleaner and clearer while on the Juarez's side contains the brown smog and haze. Two different worlds one with technology ensuring cleaner air while the other side lacked any technology, laws or policies to govern stricter pollution controls.
 
kokonut said:
You didn't say "Mexico City" but "Mexico" as if all of Mexico has strict pollution controls.

Besides in 2002 Mexico City air pollution was worse than Beijing, China. Mexico City was number one while Beijing was number 3.
Air pollution in Mexico City, smog, health effects, fossile fuels


It's still a serious problem today.
Smoke Smudges Mexico City's Air, Chemists Identify Sources
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2002 is OLD NEWS, Beijing is already ahead of Mexico City in several years ago after China is growing like crazy, very crazy.

Air quality in Mexico is better than Beijing, still...

Of course, I said Mexico and Mexico City has strict pollution control, closer to US or EU regulation so Mexico City is more stricter than entire of Mexico country.
 
kokonut said:
What major cities? Certainly not to the level and severity like Juarez. In that picture, El Paso's air is much cleaner and clearer while on the Juarez's side contains the brown smog and haze. Two different worlds one with technology ensuring cleaner air while the other side lacked any technology, laws or policies to govern stricter pollution controls.
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so why is it that Juarez isn't as bad as Mexico City?
 
kokonut said:
I'm not overly concerned about pollution since we went through the same thing ourselves where we gain alot financially but took a toll on our environment. It took our own local grassroots to try and stop these air pollution. And since then we've improved dramatically but still have some problem areas but nothing like the 50s, 60s, 70s and into the 80s. China and other countries will face those same issues while they reap in the money will their own local grassroot organizations grow due to health concerns and such and that China will slowly but surely invest in cleaner and more efficient means of operating their plants.

We did our thing. They're doing theirs now.
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ah a very interesting comment you made. I find it ironic that you understood perfectly that Chinese are just doing theirs now..... progression and all.... because we used to do that too. but you were disgusted with the way Arabs are progressing in this current era. You called them "backward."

Hypocrisy? Double Standard? :hmm:
 
kokonut said:
Remember, we were in that very SAME boat as China 40 to 60 years ago. That wasn't a long time ago. Many people in the U.S. as a whole didn't really care if we were polluting ourselves to death. But it gotten to a point when it was just too much and that's when environmental activism began to help clean up after ourselves. China is going through a growing phase and they'll have these growing pains as well (e.g. pollution) and they'll eventually pass their own pollution laws with the help of their own citizens.

We all want clean air, water and land. Give China and other countries time to clean up their own act.
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are you sure it's cuz they didn't care? Not because they were powerless against Fat Cats? I'm sure they cared back then because their children were born with defects... their husbands dying with unexplained cancers.... Back then - it was big coal business. It took one civil lawsuit to change the whole tide. His name is Jan Schlichtmann.

Don't you think we have altruistic duty to offer the latest technology that will greatly benefit everybody to other nations? Since you prefer to let them develop on their own, then we all should pull out our medical personnel and technology from Africa and other poor nations and let them develop higher medical standard on their own?
 
kokonut said:
You are out of the loop. These things start out small as concerns reaches more and more people, and that more people get educated about their own environment and how it can impact their health. Nothing to do with Democracy or the Constitution.

Good thing I book marked this a while back. Better read and get up to speed.

ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVISM IN CHINA: FIFTEEN YEARS IN REVIEW, 1994-2008
http://www.harvard-yenching.org/pub...shi_Environmental Civil Society in China2.pdf
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I'm out of loop? well what about Gao Zhisheng? Chen Guangcheng? They are activists and they were trying to raise awareness..... and look at what happened to them.
 
It is so comical that kokonut thinks that if we let corporations do whatever they want, they will magically become moral and be concerned about our health. Nope, they don't.

It took years of LAWSUITS AND REGULATIONS to make them accountable for the harm they've done to individuals or to the public.

If not for lawsuits and regulations, they'd still be polluting as much as they please.
 
netrox said:
It is so comical that kokonut thinks that if we let corporations do whatever they want, they will magically become moral and be concerned about our health. Nope, they don't.

It took years of LAWSUITS AND REGULATIONS to make them accountable for the harm they've done to individuals or to the public.

If not for lawsuits and regulations, they'd still be polluting as much as they please.
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Yup, I know that he's favor in corporation and I don't buy his BS about not care with pollution issue.
 
Hmmm, interesting, global warming concern is dead last. Health insurance at #12 out 21.

Public's Priorities for 2010: Economy, Jobs, Terrorism: Summary of Findings - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

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Graph showing survey results on what's most important to Americans. The Pew Research Results on public's priorities. Economy #1, Jobs #2, Terrorism #3, Social Security #4, Education #5, Medicare #6, Deficit Reduction #7, Health Care #8, Helping the poor #9, Military #10, Energy #11, Health Insurance #12, crime #13, Moral decline #14, Finance regulation #15, Environment #16, Tax cuts #17, Immigration #18, Lobbyists #19, Trade Policy #20, and Global Warming #21.
 
Jiro said:
I'm out of loop? well what about Gao Zhisheng? Chen Guangcheng? They are activists and they were trying to raise awareness..... and look at what happened to them.
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It's obvioius that is that environmental activism is growing and working in raising awareness. You made it sound like it wasn't possible because China is a communist country. The report says otherwise in making headways on improving the environment. It'll take awhile just as it took us a couple of decades to see results.
 
Jiro said:
ah a very interesting comment you made. I find it ironic that you understood perfectly that Chinese are just doing theirs now..... progression and all.... because we used to do that too. but you were disgusted with the way Arabs are progressing in this current era. You called them "backward."

Hypocrisy? Double Standard? :hmm:
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This is on the environment and how their own citizens have the power to make changes.
 
kokonut said:
Hmmm, interesting, global warming concern is dead last. Health insurance at #12 out 21.

Public's Priorities for 2010: Economy, Jobs, Terrorism: Summary of Findings - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

584-1.gif

Graph showing survey results on what's most important to Americans. The Pew Research Results on public's priorities. Economy #1, Jobs #2, Terrorism #3, Social Security #4, Education #5, Medicare #6, Deficit Reduction #7, Health Care #8, Helping the poor #9, Military #10, Energy #11, Health Insurance #12, crime #13, Moral decline #14, Finance regulation #15, Environment #16, Tax cuts #17, Immigration #18, Lobbyists #19, Trade Policy #20, and Global Warming #21.
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You are one of majority Americans don't understand about global warming, lol.
 
kokonut said:
It's obvioius that is that environmental activism is growing and working in raising awareness. You made it sound like it wasn't possible because China is a communist country. The report says otherwise in making headways on improving the environment. It'll take awhile just as it took us a couple of decades to see results.
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1. never said it's impossible
2. 1 report? that's it?
3. I've already provided you proofs that China has arrested the activists. not 2 but thousands.

4. Lastly..... good luck!

btw - USA is only barely 300 years old.... and we came this far.... and China is thousands years old... yea I guess they still need more time :lol:
 
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