Is Obama meddling in the governor's race with Patterson?

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Jiro said:
well - what do you suppose how government is able to have cash for programs? It isn't certainly from tax alone. Government DOES actually invest.
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Yes, but I don't think they are in the investment business in the same vein as a broker or banker. They do their best, but somebody has to fix that bridge, hire that cop, buy that firetruck.
 
saywhatkid said:
Exactly. There is no profit for paving a road. If they tried to create one, via tolls, I can imagine the outcry from our resident Watchdog. A lot of what gets done with taxes is not glamorous. Nor is it profitable. Hiring a police force is not a profit maker. Fire departments do not make profits. The list goes on.
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Fire Department, EMT and Police do send bills to you ;)
 
here's a problem - we're clumping local, state, federal together as government. They are quite different in concept and federal government is not dependent on taxes and bonds. They do invest your money on somewhere else. They do earn profits from other source.

Shady? probably. That's government to you :lol:
 
Again, as has happened repeatly, nearly every discussion that involves the "nut" spirals into a discussion on taxes and money. How did this topic get to that point? I didn't even notice the title when I replied to the others. *smh*
 
saywhatkid said:
Again, as has happened repeatly, nearly every discussion that involves the "nut" spirals into a discussion on taxes and money. How did this topic get to that point? I didn't even notice the title when I replied to the others. *smh*
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you right. I'm ashamed of myself. :Oops:

let's blame kokonut :mad2:
 
Jiro said:
here's a problem - we're clumping local, state, federal together as government. They are quite different in concept and federal government is not dependent on taxes and bonds. They do invest your money on somewhere else. They do earn profits from other source.

Shady? probably. That's government to you :lol:
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Well, your points are valid, but we were discussing an election in NY. Every fricking topic in this War and Politics section ends up beating the same fricking storyline. Lovely hijacking again by the master. And he wonders why his Obama critique topic became a playground. Do unto others....
 
saywhatkid said:
Well, your points are valid, but we were discussing an election in NY. Every fricking topic in this War and Politics section ends up beating the same fricking storyline. Lovely hijacking again by the master. And he wonders why his Obama critique topic became a playground. Do unto others....
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:laugh2: true!
 
saywhatkid said:
Again, as has happened repeatly, nearly every discussion that involves the "nut" spirals into a discussion on taxes and money. How did this topic get to that point? I didn't even notice the title when I replied to the others. *smh*
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My mentor always did say that everything breaks down to this principle, and even Mother Theresa is subjected to it:

The only things humans care about are: self and money.

Donating? Well, you feel good about donating right? That's self. Feel good sacrificing yourself so two other people can live? That's self...

And... the money part? Pretty obvious.
 
souggy said:
My mentor always did say that everything breaks down to this principle, and even Mother Theresa is subjected to it:

The only things humans care about are: self and money.

Donating? Well, you feel good about donating right? That's self. Feel good sacrificing yourself so two other people can live? That's self...

And... the money part? Pretty obvious.
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I can see why he's your mentor. a very wise man indeed! Now I will go to corner and ponder. :hmm:
 
Cowpuppy said:
You want to hide your head in the sand. Wartime and a big economic problem equals big spending...yeah we have to pay it down....usre.....band together and do it. Wartime cost money.
Some of spending is for futuristic projects....greener automobiles on independent fuels. cheaper fuels.......greener electric......some infrastructure needs repair......health cost will come down.....that is the whole idea behind this.....control insurance monopoly.
We are heading into the future and yes ...we have to pay for it.
People have become spoiled......suck it up.
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Better dig around first how all this slo-mo financial melt down began. And it didn't just start two years ago either.

Each of us owe on the order of $45,000 because the govt think it's their money and not yours, and they continue to spend like drunken sailors. Already we have a running deficit of $2 trillion dollars this year in under 6 months. How come scream (I did) at George Bush for creating a deficit of $450 billion dollars in 2008 but not Obama reckless spending that's almost 5 times as much but in only 6 months? Maxing out on your credits cards thinking it's a solution to pay your debts. It's not a smart thing to do. It's pathetically dumb.

"Greener automobile" is a myth.

"Cheaper/Greener" fuels is a myth, too...so far.

All infrastructures require maintenance. They break down, we fix them up or ignore them at our perils.

Health insurance cost continues to go up regardless what you're on, even govt and state sponsored ones.

Control insurance monopoly? Do you realize how many options, plans and choices there are in health insurance plans and the type of insurances there are at the private level? Not to mention state and Federal supported health insurance programs that can fit your needs and choices?
 
deafskeptic said:
Government isn't business.

Aren't you the one doing the pointing? As for intellegent discussions, you're not noted for being able to discuss stuff in an intelligent manner; I keep seeing tinfoil stuff from you. I'm under the impression you're trying to troll us at AD.

I can think of several conservates here at AD who can discuss stuff intellegently even thoguh I don't often agree with them on many things but you're not one of them.
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Govt is a business, they do contracting all the time. So, no that isn't the answer.
 
kokonut said:
Govt is a business, they do contracting all the time. So, no that isn't the answer.
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like contracting with private military companies such as KBR, Halliburton, DynCorp, Titan Corp, and dozen more.... It's a sham that we're paying more for these contractors than our American soldiers for the same job.
 
Jiro said:
like contracting with private military companies such as KBR, Halliburton, DynCorp, Titan Corp, and dozen more.... It's a sham that we're paying more for these contractors than our American soldiers for the same job.
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Sad, isn't it?
 
Jiro said:
like contracting with private military companies such as KBR, Halliburton, DynCorp, Titan Corp, and dozen more.... It's a sham that we're paying more for these contractors than our American soldiers for the same job.
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The reason contractors are used is because they don't do "the same job." Contractors can do things that the military are not allowed to do.
 
Reba said:
Contractors can do things that the military are not allowed to do.
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Yes, like make huge profits while operating under the protective watch of the US military, paid for by the taxpayers. But what does this have to do with NY and elections?
 
Reba said:
The reason contractors are used is because they don't do "the same job." Contractors can do things that the military are not allowed to do.
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Can you explain what they actually do? I have known the US military have been hiring contracts since the Afghan war, however... all it sounds like to me is... basically:

They can do anything special ops can do, except the military won't be responsible for their actions? I am not really sure here? That and protecting civilian engineers, in which the military is not equipped to do?
 
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