Abortion argument leads to murder

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I will not get into the abortion debate, because it is just a hollering match; much more so than debating politics.

If this woman wanted to defend her baby, she would have gotten the hell away from this abusive sperm donor! Eight months is far too late for the procedure. He was a killer and an abuser, simple as that. The fact is she knew he was abusive, yet she chose to stay in the relationship. There is no cure for an abuser.

The entire story reads out as sick. To put the abortion byline in the title was an attention grabber.
*sarcasm mode* Gosh, you mean the media would resort to such tactics to increase interest? *mode turned off*

There are women killed for burning dinner. There are women killed for not having sex on demand. There are women killed for forgetting to wash a shirt. It is murder. It is abuse. Enough said.
 
dreama said:
Abortion DID have something to do with this issue. That's what she was arueing about before she got killed.
She didn't want this abortion. He murdered her and he murdered the baby as well. It's rather a big aspect of this case to omit don't you think?



I'm sorry but I don't see abortion as a choice, just as I don't see drunken driving, burgulary, murder of post born children, or cruelty to animals as choices either.

If it hurts none do as thou wilt,

but this does not apply to abortion because that hurts the baby and it often hurts the mother too.
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She could not have an abortion at 8 months gestation. There was nothing to argue about regarding that topic.

No one knows exactly what happened just prior to her murder. No one except the killer, and I don't think it would be wise to take his word for anything. By the time the neighbors checked on her, she was already dead. Dead women don't argue.

You are free to not see it as a choice. However, you are not free to tell anyone other than yourself how they must see it.
 
Maria said:
Well, when I read the article about that guy who killed his pregnant wife who refused to give in what he wanted... he killed her. He killed pro-lifer. He tells her what to do and that doesn't make him a pro-choice. He's pro-abortion since he killed her and the baby. I don't think it is fair while he is still alive to make himself a pro-choice instead of pro-abortion.
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His actions don't speak of his stance regarding the topic of abortion, or any other topic. The only thing his action say are, "I am a murderer."
 
souggy said:
This is not an abortion issue. If abortions are illegal, then people would be forced to go into back alleys to do them, or worse yet-- do their own with coathangers in their own homes. So nothing would change if abortion is illegal or not. Even in places where abortions are frown upon or illegal, it's not really uncommon for guys to force a miscarriage by punching them. So how does the pro-life/pro-choice thing even apply to the case?

Plus, this is a double homicide. He killed a woman who had been carrying a baby for eight months. At that point, any moron can see that the woman can't get an abortion-- not legally anyway. It is really just a case of domestic abuse.

People will find reasons to abuse or kill other people, and will self-justify for their own selfish reasons. It happens everywhere, and the legality of the argument won't change that.

This is a person, who got herself into an abusive relationship, and suffered dearly for it-- and the law will prosecute him for the double-homicide.
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Exactly. Abortion occurred prior to federal law being passed. It will continue. The difference being: limits on gestational age, sterile conditions, availability of medical care in the case of complications. No more women sticking knitting needles into their uterus to self abort and bleeding to death afterwards.

Nor can the topic of abortion be used to explain away the violence this man engaged in. To do so completely minimizes the horror of domestic violence, and trivializes the victims who have lost their lives to abusers such as this. It patonizes the number of women who have become survivors. It minimizes the pain these women's families experience. If people are really so concerned about women's rights and the safety of children, they will stop trying to take freedom of choice away, and volunteer a few hours in a safe house. Actually have contact with these women. Put a name to the face. See the person behind their pain. Validate their experience. Give a hug to a child that has been taught that beating the hell out of someone means you love them.
 
Cowpuppy said:
I think you guys are splitting hairs.
It is a murder and it involves an abortion argument. I think the readers can make the seperations. Why hide the abortion issue?
The homicides register easily.
spplitting hairson pro-abortion and pro-choice...sound the same to me.
Noones going to be saying everyone should always have abortions.
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No. Pro-abortion and pro-choice are not the same thing at all. One can believe that abortion is a wrong decision for them based on their values, and still support a woman's right to choose to make her own decision without interference from anyone.
 
saywhatkid said:
I will not get into the abortion debate, because it is just a hollering match; much more so than debating politics.

If this woman wanted to defend her baby, she would have gotten the hell away from this abusive sperm donor! Eight months is far too late for the procedure. He was a killer and an abuser, simple as that. The fact is she knew he was abusive, yet she chose to stay in the relationship. There is no cure for an abuser.

The entire story reads out as sick. To put the abortion byline in the title was an attention grabber.
*sarcasm mode* Gosh, you mean the media would resort to such tactics to increase interest? *mode turned off*

There are women killed for burning dinner. There are women killed for not having sex on demand. There are women killed for forgetting to wash a shirt. It is murder. It is abuse. Enough said.
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Once again, straight to the point. Excellent synopsis.:wave:
 
jillio said:
She could not have an abortion at 8 months gestation. There was nothing to argue about regarding that topic.

No one knows exactly what happened just prior to her murder. No one except the killer, and I don't think it would be wise to take his word for anything. By the time the neighbors checked on her, she was already dead. Dead women don't argue.

You are free to not see it as a choice. However, you are not free to tell anyone other than yourself how they must see it.
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Several witnesses had informed the detectives that the guy was the father of Johnson's child and he wanted her to have the abortion, and she refused. If there were more than one witness who had said this is why she was killed because of the argument on abortion then who it is for us to say nobody knows why she was killed?

Witnesses told detectives that Nelson was the father of Johnson's child, and that he wanted her to have an abortion, but she refused.
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saywhatkid said:
I will not get into the abortion debate, because it is just a hollering match; much more so than debating politics.

If this woman wanted to defend her baby, she would have gotten the hell away from this abusive sperm donor! Eight months is far too late for the procedure. He was a killer and an abuser, simple as that. The fact is she knew he was abusive, yet she chose to stay in the relationship. There is no cure for an abuser.

The entire story reads out as sick. To put the abortion byline in the title was an attention grabber.
*sarcasm mode* Gosh, you mean the media would resort to such tactics to increase interest? *mode turned off*

There are women killed for burning dinner. There are women killed for not having sex on demand. There are women killed for forgetting to wash a shirt. It is murder. It is abuse. Enough said.
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How would you know that the guy was an abuser? I don't see where it says there was a history of reported domestic violence between Johnson and Nelson.
 
Cheri said:
How would you know that the guy was an abuser? I don't see where it says there was a history of reported domestic violence between Johnson and Nelson.
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There needs to be documented reports of abuse before you think this guy was an abuser? He was telling her to abort. He was doing what he had probably always done, which is to force his will on her. You think he just flipped out this one time? No thanks. I am not taking the bait here.
 
saywhatkid said:
There needs to be documented reports of abuse before you think this guy was an abuser? He was telling her to abort. He was doing what he had probably always done, which is to force his will on her. You think he just flipped out this one time? No thanks. I am not taking the bait here.
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Yea, I believe he did flipped out because she was in her 3rd trimester--about to give birth and he doesn't want to be the father, so he killed her and the unborn.

Now if he was an abuser, will most likely use physical violence, she would have lost her unborn child before she had reached the 3rd trimester. I've seen it happen all the time where pregnant women get kicked or punched in the stomach by their abusers. Why would he waited until she's in her 3rd trimester of her pregnancy to harm her if he was an abuser?
 
We really just don't know if he was abusive before this incident or not. All we can do is speculate.
 
Ye....like in a court of law...no speculatingallowed.. "Speculation, Your Honor"
It is indeed murder any way you look at it.....to what degree is to be decided.
First degree requires premeditaded criminal intent.
Act of passion rage...spur of moment...just happened to have a gun or retrieved one nearby...second degree or lesser...
Sure...sounds like abuser type but no sense in us arguing the case.



CJB said:
We really just don't know if he was abusive before this incident or not. All we can do is speculate.
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I don't understand why some people do crazy things. :ugh:
 
He killed the woman...that's not abuse enought? Wow.
 
shel90 said:
He killed the woman...that's not abuse enought? Wow.
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Not to mention... you don't need to get physical to be an abuser. It could be years worth of mental and emotional abuse before the guy (or girl) snap and lay a hand on the person-- which sometimes end in murder.
 
souggy said:
Not to mention... you don't need to get physical to be an abuser. It could be years worth of mental and emotional abuse before the guy (or girl) snap and lay a hand on the person-- which sometimes end in murder.
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Oh I agree. I've had to deal with someone like that much more often than I like.
 
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