Warning - may cause tears

[Jiro]

Sad, but true. Life goes on. There will be other pets.

but we're not talking about other pets. I'm talking about this bum and his dog. Why should he surrender his dog if he's most likely going to get euthanized? If you ask me - I think the dog would rather die with him than be euthanized at the chaotic shelter.

 

[Daredevel7]

*starts backing away from Byrdie*

*whispers to Jiro "I thought he was joking at first...... but now I'm scared of him."*

 

[Bottesini]

Agreeing strongly with Daredevel and Jiro.

 

[Jiro]

*starts backing away from Byrdie*

*whispers to Jiro "I thought he was joking at first...... but now I'm scared of him."*

methinks his new job made him a very very cold man......

 

[Foxrac]

Neither do you. :roll:



You don't know for sure. You are making an assumptions just like the rest of us responding to this picture.



How can it happen if 3 of the 4 are paid for? :roll:

The humane thing would be surrendering the dog. For all of you that yell, "companionship", remember that the homeless man can get "companionship" from other humans until he is back on his feet to better care for a pet.....:roll:

I just made sense but you just made all whine about between pets and homeless, again, it's none of your business to interfere with them.

There's many speculation that cause to be homeless, not just only for mismanage on budget issues and economy downturn has driven more homeless people.

It's sad for you because you have cold heart for pets and homeless people, you don't understand about what happen to them.

 

[Byrdie714]

but we're not talking about other pets. I'm talking about this bum and his dog. Why should he surrender his dog if he's most likely going to get euthanized? If you ask me - I think the dog would rather die with him than be euthanized at the chaotic shelter.

Now you are being derogatory towards this homesless person by calling him a "bum"? On one hand you are trying to be compassionate and on the other hand, calling him a "bum"? That's contradictory.

*starts backing away from Byrdie*

*whispers to Jiro "I thought he was joking at first...... but now I'm scared of him."*

You have nothing to be afraid of. Just merely pointing out that if the dog is skinny and homeless--how can one say that this dog is being well-taken care of?

methinks his new job made him a very very cold man......

If you see what I work with on a daily basis--it's enough to make one's skin crawl. And a little more conservative.

Would I trade it? No.

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It's sad for you because you have cold heart for pets and homeless people, you don't understand about what happen to them.

Again--you're wrong.

I have compassion for individuals that take responsibility for their own well being, whether it's living in a shelter or living in a mansion. However when one is homeless and can't take care of themselves, why jeopardize the health and well being of an animal which clearly shows is what this guy is doing?

 

[Jiro]

Now you are being derogatory towards this homesless person by calling him a "bum"? On one hand you are trying to be compassionate and on the other hand, calling him a "bum"? That's contradictory.

it's a shortcut to saying "homeless person" repetitively. I didn't realize you're sensitive.

You have nothing to be afraid of. Just merely pointing out that if the dog is skinny and homeless--how can one say that this dog is being well-taken care of?

the dog can choose to leave him if he wants to. I don't see any chain/rope on his neck. the people in Africa are skinny and live in shanty houses but who are we to say they're skinny and their houses are shanty? are we judging them based on our snooty standards?

 

[Bottesini]

I have compassion for individuals that take responsibility for their own well being, whether it's living in a shelter or living in a mansion. However when one is homeless and can't take care of themselves, why jeopardize the health and well being of an animal which clearly shows is what this guy is doing?

It has been pointed out that dog would get euthanized. Big dogs don't get adopted much. And my local shelter is my charity and I am committed to it.

That dog gets a little happiness and love and I think it is better than the oblivion of death!

 

[Byrdie714]

it's a shortcut to saying "homeless person" repetitively. I didn't realize you're sensitive.

No--it's a choice of words that you are selecting. By using the word, "homeless person" indicated the person is without home, job, etc.

By using the word, "bum"--you are using a negative connotation against this individual, as the word "bum" usually implies that the individual doesn't want to work. However--we don't know that.

the dog can choose to leave him if he wants to. I don't see any chain/rope on his neck.

Unless the dog is emotional/physical abused........

I choose not to respond to the indivudals being skinny from Africa comment due to being you being off-topic pertaining to the homeless individual and the dog.

 

[Byrdie714]

It has been pointed out that dog would get euthanized. Big dogs don't get adopted much. And my local shelter is my charity and I am committed to it.

That dog gets a little happiness and love and I think it is better than the oblivion of death!

Sorry then--it's best for the dog.

 

[Bottesini]

Sorry then--it's best for the dog.

You mean you agree the dog is better off to have a life than be euthanized?

 

[Jiro]

It has been pointed out that dog would get euthanized. Big dogs don't get adopted much. And my local shelter is my charity and I am committed to it.

That dog gets a little happiness and love and I think it is better than the oblivion of death!

It is in my experience and un-certified expertise that a significant portion of dogs do not fare well in shelter. It is an extremely chaotic and stressful environment for dogs. They're feeling exactly how the Holocaust prisoners felt and cows at slaughterhouse. Not that I'm some PETA supporter but I'm just saying a lot of dogs especially in this kind of case - they would rather die with their owners than have their days numbered at shelter.

 

[Byrdie714]

You mean you agree the dog is better off to have a life than be euthanized?

No. I'm saying that if the homeless person can't take care of the dog and surrenders it to the local animal shelter--they have the right to euthanize the dog.

Again--pets come and go.

 

[Jiro]

No--it's a choice of words that you are selecting. By using the word, "homeless person" indicated the person is without home, job, etc.

By using the word, "bum"--you are using a negative connotation against this individual, as the word "bum" usually implies that the individual doesn't want to work. However--we don't know that.

so that's your connotation. My reason was for shortcut purpose. At least I didn't describe him as "a good-for-nothing bum"

Unless the dog is emotional/physical abused........

I choose not to respond to the indivudals being skinny from Africa comment due to being you being off-topic pertaining to the homeless individual and the dog.

I'm not being off-topic. it's perfectly relevant because you're saying this dog is skinny by your standard. To me - Skinny (or in other word - emaciated) is when:
1. ALL/ENTIRE/100% rib bones are clearly visible and/or
2. the size of dog is nearly 50% of the normal standard and/or
3. its head is bigger than the size of its body in terms of width with eyes bulging out and/or
4. a very tight skin on its body

So based on that picture, I see none.

 

[Jiro]

No. I'm saying that if the homeless person can't take care of the dog and surrenders it to the local animal shelter--they have the right to euthanize the dog.

Again--pets come and go.

what if the pet prefer to stay with the owner? You're making it sound like the dogs and cats cannot live on their own without humans. Well they can. That's why you see stray animals around. Ferret is 100% dependent on humans. It is more humane to surrender ferret to shelter than to release it to forest.

 

[Byrdie714]

so that's your connotation. My reason was for shortcut purpose. At least I didn't describe him as "a good-for-nothing bum"

Okay I'll granted you that however you are still implying a negative connotation by using the word, "bum".

I'm not being off-topic. it's perfectly relevant because you're saying this dog is skinny by your standard. To me - Skinny (or in other word - emaciated) is when:
1. ALL/ENTIRE/100% rib bones are clearly visible and/or
2. the size of dog is nearly 50% of the normal standard and/or
3. its head is bigger than the size of its body in terms of width with eyes bulging out and/or
4. a very tight skin on its body

So based on that picture, I see none.

I'm the not the only one that has said that the dog is skinny. Another AD'er also mentioned it to due to her experience in raising German Shepards.

Pay attention to what others are saying.

what if the pet prefer to stay with the owner? You're making it sound like the dogs and cats cannot live on their own without humans. Well they can. That's why you see stray animals around. Ferret is 100% dependent on humans. It is more humane to surrender ferret to shelter than to release it to forest.

Again--you can't read the mind of an animal.

 

[Jiro]

Okay I'll granted you that however you are still implying a negative connotation by using the word, "bum".

party pooper!

I'm the not the only one that has said that the dog is skinny. Another AD'er also mentioned it to due to her experience in raising German Shepards.

Pay attention to what others are saying.

The dog is just slightly skinny but otherwise he's fine health-wise..... unless he's got heartworms from eating garbage scrap :Ohno:

Again--you can't read the mind of an animal.

neither can you but my assumption is simply based on my experience and expertise. I dislike the notion of when the conditions are not being met - they (person/animal) should be immediately surrendered to the "system" as if it's a great solution...... and we both know that it's a BROKEN system where many are neglected - a false security. a false hope.

Again.... this dog was not leashed. He can simply walk away from the owner at any time. Dog is not a human where he would suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[Byrdie714]

neither can you but my assumption is simply based on my experience and expertise. I dislike the notion of when the conditions are not being met - they (person/animal) should be immediately surrendered to the "system" as if it's a great solution...... and we both know that it's a BROKEN system where many are neglected - a false security. a false hope.

A system regardless.

Again.... this dog was not leashed. He can simply walk away from the owner at any time. Dog is not a human where he would suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

Taking animal psychology now?

 

[Jiro]

Taking animal psychology now?

Just making sure that you understand that dog psychology is not the same as human psychology

 

[Byrdie714]

Just making sure that you understand that dog psychology is not the same as human psychology

Oh I do understand the difference.

I just don't think you understand that animals do suffer from psychological ailments similar to 'Stockholm Syndrome'.

The only difference between the two is that animals don't think logically.