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Why can't it be:

Bum meets stray dog.

Bum pets stray dog.

Stray dog loves bum.

Stray dog stays with bum.

They live happily ever after.

(That's right, I said bum. I just like saying it thanks to Tom Green's song)
 
Now you are being derogatory towards this homesless person by calling him a "bum"? On one hand you are trying to be compassionate and on the other hand, calling him a "bum"? That's contradictory.



:giggle: You have nothing to be afraid of. Just merely pointing out that if the dog is skinny and homeless--how can one say that this dog is being well-taken care of?



If you see what I work with on a daily basis--it's enough to make one's skin crawl. And a little more conservative. :)

Would I trade it? No.

[Mod's Edit - Previous quote removed thus enticing/provoking]



Again--you're wrong.

I have compassion for individuals that take responsibility for their own well being, whether it's living in a shelter or living in a mansion. However when one is homeless and can't take care of themselves, why jeopardize the health and well being of an animal which clearly shows is what this guy is doing?

You can tell about wrong but there's no mention about wrong and I had read some of your posts, I have considered you as no heart over pets like some other members said so.

It doesn't make any better if you take this dog from homeless people and hand to animal shelter because they could face euthanize.

Again, it's on each own, you cannot judge on person if they does make lack of care with pets and you don't have any authority over their property and consider if they are animal abusers.
 
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Oh I do understand the difference.

I just don't think you understand that animals do suffer from psychological ailments similar to 'Stockholm Syndrome'.
and what psychological ailments is that, for example? The only psychological ailments that dog suffers are mostly extreme trauma such as severe abuse for long period of time. They do not get something like Stockholm Syndrome or Munchhausen Syndrome.

The only difference between the two is that animals don't think logically.
correct. animals think INSTINCTIVELY as programmed by their DNA with million years of evolution. If the dog is hungry and his owner is not providing enough food, the dog will simply leave or even maul him if the situation is very dire. :)

if the dog is being harmed/abused, the dog will simply run away or bite. I have rehabilitated a giant boxer dog suffering from severe abuse. He was very afraid of male people because he was frequently splashed with hot water and was beaten on regular basis by a male owner. Whenever the male person approaches, he cowers to the corner of his pen as if he thought he did something wrong. It took him a while to warm up to me and it took me only 30 min. :cool2:
 
Why can't it be:

Bum meets stray dog.

Bum pets stray dog.

Stray dog loves bum.

Stray dog stays with bum.

They live happily ever after.

(That's right, I said bum. I just like saying it thanks to Tom Green's song)

Simple--if the homeless person can't provide the basics for themselves, what makes you think they can provide the basics for a pet?

Once they get their act together--then get a pet. :roll:
 
Simple--if the homeless person can't provide the basics for themselves, what makes you think they can provide the basics for a pet?

Once they get their act together--then get a pet. :roll:

Again - a dog can eat whatever the bum's eating. a dog can sleep in wherever the bum's sleeping at. a dog can shit/piss wherever the bum's pissing/shitting at. Being a stray dog's no different. At least the stray dog dies naturally......
 
You can tell about wrong but there's no mention about wrong and I had read some of your posts, I have considered you as no heart over pets like some other members said so.

It doesn't make any better if you take this dog from homeless people and hand to animal shelter because they could face euthanize.

Again, it's on each own, you cannot judge on person if they does make lack of care with pets and you don't have any authority over their property and consider if they are animal abusers.

Have you ever consider that a homeless person that can't provide for themselves can be charged with animal cruelty?

and what psychological ailments is that, for example? The only psychological ailments that dog suffers are mostly extreme trauma such as severe abuse for long period of time. They do not get something like Stockholm Syndrome or Munchhausen Syndrome.


correct. animals think INSTINCTIVELY as programmed by their DNA with million years of evolution. If the dog is hungry and his owner is not providing enough food, the dog will simply leave or even maul him if the situation is very dire. :)

if the dog is being harmed/abused, the dog will simply run away or bite. I have rehabilitated a giant boxer dog suffering from severe abuse. He was very afraid of male people because he was frequently splashed with hot water and was beaten on regular basis by a male owner. Whenever the male person approaches, he cowers to the corner of his pen as if he thought he did something wrong. It took him a while to warm up to me and it took me only 30 min. :cool2:

You're the "animal psychologist."

As for the bolded part--I don't believe you considering that it takes 30 minutes for a dog that has been abused for many years to "warm up" to you.

I wasn't born yesterday you know.....:cool2:
 
Again - a dog can eat whatever the bum's eating. a dog can sleep in wherever the bum's sleeping at. a dog can shit/piss wherever the bum's pissing/shitting at. Being a stray dog's no different. At least the stray dog dies naturally......

And the homeless person can be charged for animal cruelty for failing to provide for the pet's health.
 
Have you ever consider that a homeless person that can't provide for themselves can be charged with animal cruelty?
and that is not always enforceable nor reported. Beside - this case? the ASPCA officers are not going to waste their time with this. There are only about a dozen ASPCA officers for entire city. Sometimes they drive out of town to respond to complaint which can take up their whole day while there are dozen of pending complaint cases to tend to. Animal Cops are severely limited with their lack of manpower and resource. It's very difficult to prosecute it as well. Cases like Michael Vick and New Jersey cat hoarder? it's rare. That's why in most cases of animal cruelty - the owners just sign the legal document to surrender their pets to state and to appear at court (which most never went). and most of time - the owners would act dumbfounded and deny that the dogs belong to them. The state simply confiscated the animals and they usually end up being euthanized. Like you said... fact of life.....

You're the "animal psychologist."

As for the bolded part--I don't believe you considering that it takes 30 minutes for a dog that has been abused for many years to "warm up" to you.

I wasn't born yesterday you know.....:cool2:
that's where skill and training come in. I was given a Level Yellow (meaning I was allowed to handle a more difficult cases with possible risk of biting). There's level white, blue, yellow, red. He only warmed up to me (as in cautiously approaching me) and that was a great improvement. What would be considered a great accomplishment is him wagging his tail proudly and barking whenever a person comes by (regardless of gender). :cool2: Unfortunately, I left before I saw the end result because I was hired by my current employer - here I am. I'm curious to know what's he up to. I surely hope he wasn't euthanized because with his trauma and size - that's usually not the traits that the potential adopters are interested in.

or maybe he thinks i'm a woman..... :hmm:
 
and that is not always enforceable nor reported. Beside - this case? the ASPCA officers are not going to waste their time with this. There are only about a dozen ASPCA officers for entire city. Sometimes they drive out of town to respond to complaint which can take up their whole day while there are dozen of pending complaint cases to tend to. Animal Cops are severely limited with their lack of manpower and resource. It's very difficult to prosecute it as well. Cases like Michael Vick and New Jersey cat hoarder? it's rare. That's why in most cases of animal cruelty - the owners just sign the legal document to surrender their pets to state and to appear at court (which most never went). and most of time - the owners would act dumbfounded and deny that the dogs belong to them. The state simply confiscated the animals and they usually end up being euthanized. Like you said... fact of life.....

Apparently ASPCA does it differently in New York/NJ than they do here.
 
Apparently ASPCA does it differently in New York/NJ than they do here.

Well - that pix? it's in city. That's what I'm talking about. the type of Animal Cruelty cases in NY/NJ are most likely different from your area.
 
Simple--if the homeless person can't provide the basics for themselves, what makes you think they can provide the basics for a pet?

Once they get their act together--then get a pet. :roll:

Seems like you're thinking of a hoarder who keeps pets in horrible conditions or something like that. I understand those cases, but in this case the dog is no different from a stray.

Ohhhh you're saying all strays should be killed anyway? ALL cats and dogs should be only in the hands of a person who has enough money to pay for possible vet bills? I see... I see!

Warms up my heart to see "suffering dogs" being mass butchered for THEIR sake. :roll:
 
Seems like you're thinking of a hoarder who keeps pets in horrible conditions or something like that. I understand those cases, but in this case the dog is no different from a stray.

Ohhhh you're saying all strays should be killed anyway? ALL cats and dogs should be only in the hands of a person who has enough money to pay for possible vet bills? I see... I see!

Warms up my heart to see "suffering dogs" being mass butchered for THEIR sake. :roll:

funny thing is.... those kind of people who are able to pay for vet bills are the one who are abusive and ignorant to their pets' basic needs. that's why suburban dogs are more "psychotic" than city dogs.
 
This dog in this picture is a German Shepard! The dog is SKINNY!

The dog don´t seem too skinny or fat to me but slim. :shrug:

The form of dog´s body (German Shepard) are common here in Germany, not too skinny or too fat but just slim like that picture... it´s normal to me... it does the same with cats as well.

I got shock when I saw BIG cats when I was in USA in summer 2007 which is not same as many cats, I know here in Germany and Europe countries... It could be that Americans view to the picture of homeless man with dog that the form of pet´s body is too skinny but European´s view is slim... We know the difference between skinny and slim... but the picture of dog is slim to me... :shrug:
 
The dog don´t seem too skinny or fat to me but slim. :shrug:

The form of dog´s body (German Shepard) are common here in Germany, not too skinny or too fat but just slim like that picture... it´s normal to me... it does the same with cats as well.

I got shock when I saw BIG cats when I was in USA in summer 2007 which is not same as many cats, I know here in Germany and Europe countries... It could be that Americans view to the picture of homeless man with dog that the form of pet´s body is too skinny but European´s view is slim... We know the difference between skinny and slim... but the picture of dog is slim to me... :shrug:

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: i can imagine!!!!

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7
Seems like you're thinking of a hoarder who keeps pets in horrible conditions or something like that. I understand those cases, but in this case the dog is no different from a stray.

Ohhhh you're saying all strays should be killed anyway? ALL cats and dogs should be only in the hands of a person who has enough money to pay for possible vet bills? I see... I see!

Warms up my heart to see "suffering dogs" being mass butchered for THEIR sake.

funny thing is.... those kind of people who are able to pay for vet bills are the one who are abusive and ignorant to their pets' basic needs. that's why suburban dogs are more "psychotic" than city dogs.

Some of you know that I have soon to be 23 years old Sussi, cat. She haven´t check for routine vaccine shot for over 15 years!!!!

See my post #2 at 3 years ago.

http://www.alldeaf.com/our-pets/32106-vaccinations-needed-not.html

I have 2 another cats to have their last shot at 2 years ago.. It´s their last shot... Why shot for? I only take cats to the vet for check if something wrong with them...

My co-worker took her cat for shot every 2 years until she died at age 9... Is shot really necassary?

 
If you think that cat's fat, take a look at my 26-pounder: :lol:

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Some of you know that I have soon to be 23 years old Sussi, cat. She haven´t check for routine vaccine shot for over 15 years!!!!

See my post #2 at 3 years ago.

http://www.alldeaf.com/our-pets/32106-vaccinations-needed-not.html

I have 2 another cats to have their last shot at 2 years ago.. It´s their last shot... Why shot for? I only take cats to the vet for check if something wrong with them...

My co-worker took her cat for shot every 2 years until she died at age 9... Is shot really necassary?


23 years old cat????????? :-o I didn't know the cat can live that long!!! wowowowowow! that shows you're a very good caregiver!

and yes that's true. I'm very icky about the vaccination shots but I do have to get rabies shots for my dog because it's required by law. For other shots - I don't do it since it's optional.
 
Well - that pix? it's in city. That's what I'm talking about. the type of Animal Cruelty cases in NY/NJ are most likely different from your area.

We have the same situations here Jiro. The only difference is we allow our dog wardens to confiscate the animals for being homeless with their owners due to insufficient care of the animal.

Seems like you're thinking of a hoarder who keeps pets in horrible conditions or something like that. I understand those cases, but in this case the dog is no different from a stray.

Ohhhh you're saying all strays should be killed anyway? ALL cats and dogs should be only in the hands of a person who has enough money to pay for possible vet bills? I see... I see!

Warms up my heart to see "suffering dogs" being mass butchered for THEIR sake. :roll:

A response to your first paragraph--no. These are two separate issues that we are talking about. A hoarder suffers from a psychological illness whereas a homeless person with a pet doesn't.

A response to your second and third paragraph--we can euthanize the anmials and use their skins for warmth and the meat for food. Afterall--it's an aceeptable practice in other countries, why not here? :lol:

Afterall--I do have a recipe from Viet Nam for Ginger-Lemon Grilled cat. :) :lol:
 
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