Fla. doctor investigated in badly botched abortion

[dreama]

No. This is what you are seeing happen NOW, while abortion is legal. Why? Because people who own the abortion clinics are in it for the money, just like this doctor was in it for the money.

Good point!

 

[shel90]

Yep, and these less than reputable clinics would not be in business if the reputable ones were allowed to practice medicine in accordance with the law without the threat of being bombed, doctors being killed, and patients accosted. The demand is there for the procedure. This is just more evidence that when the right to lifers close clinics, women will go elsewhere to get the procedure that they are legally permitted to request.

By killing the doctors or nurses performing the abortions is going against the principle the pro-lifers stand by, isnt it?

 

[jillio]

All abortions are Unethical. I'm glad this one was illigal and hope that he gets punished. Along with those that abort girls who've been molested without telling anyone about it.

Not according to the medical boards.

 

[jillio]

By killing the doctors or nurses performing the abortions is going against the principle the pro-lifers stand by, isnt it?

Of course it is, but they seem to have a blind spot on the topic.

 

[Reba]

...And the clinics are regulated by federal law and state medical boards.

You might want to double check that.

 

[naisho]

All abortions are Unethical. I'm glad this one was illigal and hope that he gets punished. Along with those that abort girls who've been molested without telling anyone about it.

Dreama.. I'd like to add a suggestion, if you may:

When trying to get one's point across, see if you can prefix or suffix a few words to them.

instead of saying:
"All abortions are Unethical"
you could try saying;
"I believe all abortions are unethical" or,
"I think all abortions should be unethical" -
there's lots of ways to say it,
"Abortions to me are unethical".

The fact that when you add to that the opinion is from yourself, will make you less prone to attacks and arguments. It acts like a cushion if you don't like to get attacked. Plus, sometimes it can help people understand your view if you add it as well.

 

[Reba]

This is the exception.

There are more of them operating under the radar. They don't get reported until something goes wrong.

... However, practitioners like these take advantage of the fact that many qualified and reputable doctors have given up performing this necessary procedure because of the fanatics that position themselves outside of clinics accosting patients and employees, the number of bomb attacks that have been accomplished against legal and reputable clinics, etc.

Numbers please.

... reputable practitioners don't want to risk being killed or maimed while practicing legal medicine.

But disreputable ones do want the risk?

 

[shel90]

Of course it is, but they seem to have a blind spot on the topic.

I think it is very unethical of them to harrass others because others dont share their viewpoints.

What if I harrassed or threatened people because they are against abortions for themselves? Of course, they would tell me it is wrong but yet, they do it too! The "it is ok for me to do it but not ok for others..." attitude.

 

[jillio]

You might want to double check that.

Abortion, under specific guidelines, is allowable under federal law within those guidelines. The doctors that perform those abortions are licensed through the state medical boards, and the state medical boards are responsible for insuring that the licensed physicians adhere to practice standards and ethical guidelines. The facility itself is licensed by state. What exactly is it that you would have me check?

 

[jillio]

There are more of them operating under the radar. They don't get reported until something goes wrong.


Numbers please.


But disreputable ones do want the risk?

And I have already stated why there are more of them operating under the radar, and have also presented evidence of why it is so.

No physician is reported until something goes wrong. Until something goes wrong there is nothing to report.
Duh.

Disreputable ones are much more likely to take the risk, yes. There are numerous reasons for that. A doctor with a clean record and an unrestricted license can practice anywhere. He/she is less likely to risk his life simply to make a living when it isn't necessary for him to do so. However, a doctor with violations and malpractice suits galore will do whatever he can to make aliving because his options are so limited. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

 

[jillio]

I think it is very unethical of them to harrass others because others dont share their viewpoints.

What if I harrassed or threatened people because they are against abortions for themselves? Of course, they would tell me it is wrong but yet, they do it too! The "it is ok for me to do it but not ok for others..." attitude.

Exactly. Which is what makes these people so despicable. They have made it necessary to enact laws to protect the women entering clinics. And, many times, the women that are being harrassed aren't even going into the clinic for an abortion. Clinics provide exams, pregnancy tests, birth control, etc. But the ones that have decided to request a legal abortion, no matter their reason for doing so, have their rights and their privacy infringed upon by these fanatics. To the point that there have been instances of blood actually being thrown on patients entering a clinic. Many clinics have had to hire escorts to see that women get into and out of the clinic safely becuase of these people. They accost doctors and staff coming and going from work. And then want people to believe that their cause is nobel and holy. Puhleeze.

 

[Reba]

And the unregulated clinics are operating because there is a need for abortion. There is quite obviously a demand for the procedure. Those who campaign and use violence to close reputable clinics are as responsible for the proliferation of unregulated clinics as they would be for back street abortionists still doing the procedure if Roe v Wade were overturned.

Since abortion is legal, there's no reason for "unregulated" clinics unless the other clinics are too expensive, or the woman has something else to hide (such as immigration status), or the woman wants an illegal procedure (such as a late-term abortion).

 

[Reba]

Disreputable ones are much more likely to take the risk, yes. There are numerous reasons for that. A doctor with a clean record and an unrestricted license can practice anywhere. He/she is less likely to risk his life simply to make a living when it isn't necessary for him to do so. However, a doctor with violations and malpractice suits galore will do whatever he can to make aliving because his options are so limited. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

So a doctor with "malpractice suits galore" and is under investigation wants to get into more trouble?

 

[jillio]

Since abortion is legal, there's no reason for "unregulated" clinics unless the other clinics are too expensive, or the woman has something else to hide (such as immigration status), or the woman wants an illegal procedure (such as a late-term abortion).

Unregulated clinics operate because there is a demand for abortion, and the reputable clinics are closing down or unavailable in the area because they have been closed down due to the actions of the fight to life fanatics. Keep in mind that no doctor would be performing an abortion if it wasn't requested. They don't just go out and round up pregnant women and herd them in to abort them.

 

[jillio]

So a doctor with "malpractice suits galore" and is under investigation wants to get into more trouble?

Evidently so. The doctor that is the topic of this thead had already paid off on several malpractice suits and was operating with a restricted license. He went completely against those restrictions. Sounds like getting in more trouble wasn't much of a concern for him.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

I think it is very unethical of them to harrass others because others dont share their viewpoints.

What if I harrassed or threatened people because they are against abortions for themselves? Of course, they would tell me it is wrong but yet, they do it too! The "it is ok for me to do it but not ok for others..." attitude.

I love your POV.

 

[Reba]

Abortion, under specific guidelines, is allowable under federal law within those guidelines. The doctors that perform those abortions are licensed through the state medical boards, and the state medical boards are responsible for insuring that the licensed physicians adhere to practice standards and ethical guidelines. The facility itself is licensed by state. What exactly is it that you would have me check?

Each state decides the licensing of clinics. Some license, some don't. Some who license have only done so in recent years. There is no nationwide standard for licensing abortion clinics.

 

[jillio]

Each state decides the licensing of clinics. Some license, some don't. Some who license have only done so in recent years. There is no nationwide standard for licensing abortion clinics.

Any medical facility is licensed. And especially any medical clinic that pperforms any kind of invasive procedure. The only time you will find a clinic that is not licensed is in the case of the report that you posted, where the physician, also, was not licensed. And you can thank people like Operation Rescue and their anti-abortion terrortist tactics for making it easier for an unlicensed practitioner to make the money necessary to stay in business.

 

[shel90]

Any medical facility is licensed. And especially any medical clinic that pperforms any kind of invasive procedure. The only time you will find a clinic that is not licensed is in the case of the report that you posted, where the physician, also, was not licensed.

Any clinic that is not licensed should be investigated and pay the fines..doesnt matter what kind of medical procedures they specialize in.

 

[jillio]

Any clinic that is not licensed should be investigated and pay the fines..doesnt matter what kind of medical procedures they specialize in.

Exactly. Any clinic that is not licensed is shut down.