Secret Service to unveil new presidential limo

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Yes, I remember that day also. It was my 30th birthday.

i bet that will be a birthday you'll never forget, reba. :(

i checked my talking calculator which has a function that allows you to input any date/year and will give you the day of the week it falls on.

march 30, 1981 fell on a monday. i must have been home sick from school that day because i clearly remember watching the tv and my mother constantly telling me to "hush up because the president has been shot." once i heard her say the word "shot," i knew something was seriously wrong and from that point on, i watched the news intently with her.
 
what were you expecting? $2 million for $457,017.50 car? :laugh2:

First--it's a little too excessive for a car.

Secondly--who bid on the contract and how was it broken down in terms of actual cost?

Third--do you remember the fiasco in regards to the $ 250.00 toilet and the $ 50.00 hammer that the government spent?

Where is the GAO when you need them?!
 
First--it's a little too excessive for a car.

Secondly--who bid on the contract and how was it broken down in terms of actual cost?

Third--do you remember the fiasco in regards to the $ 250.00 toilet and the $ 50.00 hammer that the government spent?

Where is the GAO when you need them?!

1. It's a small price to pay.... and it's certainly lot better than foreigners' Presidential/PM cars... handful of them died in their own cars...
2. If I recall correctly... there's only one company that builds Presidential car. They have been doing it for government for a couple decades. it's in Texas.
3. hhmmm no I don't recall the fiasco... refresh my memory? :ty:
 
1. It's a small price to pay.... and it's certainly lot better than foreigners' Presidential/PM cars... handful of them died in their own cars...
2. If I recall correctly... there's only one company that builds Presidential car. They have been doing it for government for a couple decades. it's in Texas.
3. hhmmm no I don't recall the fiasco... refresh my memory? :ty:

Back in the 1980's early 1990's--there was a an uproar over the cost of the hammer and the toilet as no Joe Blow American would pay that kind of money for it.

The congressmen used the "hammer" and "toilet" to justify their expenses but didn't want to reveal what it was for.
 
Back in the 1980's early 1990's--there was a an uproar over the cost of the hammer and the toilet as no Joe Blow American would pay that kind of money for it.

The congressmen used the "hammer" and "toilet" to justify their expenses but didn't want to reveal what it was for.

hhhmm...... sorry I don't recall :doh:
 
hhhmm...... sorry I don't recall :doh:
In 1983, a Navy whistleblower revealed that the Pentagon was spending about $178 for a claw hammer. Around that same time, NASA was paying about $600 for a "toilet seat" (actually a custom toilet shroud for weightless space travel). Those became symbols of government waste. Every since then, whenever someone wants to criticize government spending, they refer to the "golden" hammer and toilet seat. (The dollar amount changes with each telling of the story.)
 
In 1983, a Navy whistleblower revealed that the Pentagon was spending about $178 for a claw hammer. Around that same time, NASA was paying about $600 for a "toilet seat" (actually a custom toilet shroud for weightless space travel). Those became symbols of government waste. Every since then, whenever someone wants to criticize government spending, they refer to the "golden" hammer and toilet seat. (The dollar amount changes with each telling of the story.)

1983? :shock:

I thought it was much later than that!
 
1983? :shock:

I thought it was much later than that!
"2/4/85
Sen. William Cohen and Sen. William Roth reveal that the Navy has been paying $640 each for toilet seats that sell to consumers for $25."
Ronald Reagan - The Bonzo Years 1985

"Recently, striking examples of such procurement practices have been
uncovered regarding US Army purchases. These include such highly
publicized items as the $800 toilet seat, the $500 coffee maker and the
$400 monkey-wrench. Just such procurement problems were so pervasive in
government purchases that Senator William Proxmire developed the highly
discoveted "Golden Fleece Award." This award was contrived to expose
wasteful spending by the government and seems to be a measure of
desperation on the part of the Army's would-be monitors."
http://eh.net/Clio/Conferences/ASSA/Jan_94/Kauffman

"The military procurement horror tales of the early 1980s -- immortalized by the $435 claw hammer, the $640 toilet seat and $7,600 coffee makers
-- have returned, say investigators, thanks to Vice President Al Gore's "Reinventing Government" campaign."
Gore brings back $640 toilet seat

...Claw hammers, to be exact. The kind you buy at your local hardware store for between $7 and $10; billed to the Pentagon for $435 a piece. In the three years since the story broke, the $435 hammer has become synonymous with waste in the Department of Defense (DOD). From Beetle Bailey to Walter Mondale, everyone has expressed outrage at this apparent swindle. The hammer contract has been investigated by Congress, discussed during the 1984 presidential debates, and used as Exhibit A by politicians, journalists, and businessmen in their recent calls for military reform.

But here's the rub: the DOD didn't pay $435 for a hammer. It's a good bet we paid too much for it (for reasons related in part to something called the equal allocation method and in part to larger problems in defense procurement). But the Pentagon didn't pay nearly $428 too much.

Hints of a rip-off

In 1981 the Navy decided to offer a sole-source contract to the electronics company that manufactured the flight instrument trainer for the T-34C aircraft. That made the Simulation Systems Division of Gould, Inc., the lone provider of a comprehensive list of more than 400 different parts needed to keep trainers in the field in good repair. In June 1982, the Naval Training Equipment Center (NTEC) at Orlando, Florida, issued the contract. Of the items ordered, some were peculiar to the trainer and would have to be manufactured by Gould; others, known as "buy-and-sell items," could be bought at an ordinary hardware store. Since the Gould plant is located on Long Island, the job of reviewing and negotiating Gould's proposal fell to the Defense Contract Administration Services Management Area (DCASMA) in Garden City, New York.

An outpost of the Defense Logistics Agency,DCASMA Garden City does a variety of tasks for the buying offices of the military. A man whom I shall call Dave Johnson, an administrative contracting officer there, was put in charge of the proposal. In November, his negotiating team brought Gould's price down from $896,011 to $847,000. This came close to the recommended price resulting from reports by an engineer, a price analyst, and a Defense Contract Audit Agency (DCAA) auditor. Johnson submitted his memo of negotiation and a contractual amendment to the Garden City Board of Review, whose five members saw nothing wrong with it. Then, after Gould had signed the amendment, he too signed it, making it legal and binding. The price it showed for the claw hammer was $435.

...The problem with the equal allocation methodis that it's easier for contractors to overstate support costs when negotiating one price for all of these costs in a contract instead of haggling over them for each individual line item. And if the Pentagon doesn't know the real price it is paying for each spare part, it is also difficult for it to determine whether it is spending too much in support costs.

...When the chief petty officer in the repair department of a naval air station in Florida saw the unit-price list for the T-34C trainer in 1983, he started asking how anyone in his right mind could have paid $435 for a common hammer. His inquiries led to press stories and investigations by a number of agencies including the Navy Audit Service which, on May 27, reported that the Gould contract contained "excess costs of about $729,000.'

These investigations led the Pentagon to announce on July 27 that Gould had overcharged the Navy "hundreds of thousands of dollars' for the hammer and other items under the same contract. Secretary of the Navy John Lehman sent a letter to Gould demanding repayment, and Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger gave notice that the DOD had to make "major changes' in its procurement of spare parts...

...The outrage over the $435 hammer could have resulted in some procurement reforms, but that hardly happened. In 1984 the Pentagon did abolish the equal allocation method. But while the $435 hammer resulted from this method, other spare parts scandals were caused by more fundamental procurement problems. The toilet seats, ashtrays, and $7,600 coffee pots resulted from gold-plated specifications and the use of costly middlemen. The Pentagon did launch a potentially valuable drive to eliminate these middlemen from the spare parts business. In general, however, the response has been what John Kester, former special assistant to the secretary of defense, describes as Washington's prescription for all procurement ills--"more laws, more rules, more people checking on the checkers...."

COPYRIGHT 1987 Washington Monthly Company
Washington Monthly: The case for the $435 hammer - investigation of Pentagon's procurement
 
The Presidential limousine (limo) looks standard length, like a normal Cadillac luxury limo. It doesn't look like a truck at all. The extra body and glass thickness is not discernible on the outside; it takes up space on the inside.

The picture of the prototype limo looks ugly because it is disguised. It has a gray stripe, taped off areas, and fake trim pieces stuck on it to hide the true appearance. That's standard practice for newly designed cars to prevent "sneak peeks" by the competition and others before the maker is ready to release it.

I've got a question, Reba, what happens to the limos that Bush had, as well as the other presidents? I know Clinton has one at his library in Little Rock, but who gets them? Also, the new limo and like ones, do the other presidents use them of their own, so all the limos for the past presidents are the same?
 
Pretty is not what the president needs personal protection is.
 
Pretty is not what the president needs personal protection is.

yep. we're no longer talking about the 1961 lincoln continental former president kennedy lost his life in. those days are long gone.
 
Obama gets death threats everyday just simply because he's black.
 
WOW I didn't realize Obama's Presidential Limo is HUGE. Secret Service called it "BEAST"

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I've got a question, Reba, what happens to the limos that Bush had, as well as the other presidents? I know Clinton has one at his library in Little Rock, but who gets them? Also, the new limo and like ones, do the other presidents use them of their own, so all the limos for the past presidents are the same?
Here's some info:
Dearborn, Mich. -- The largest collection of retired presidential limousines is ensconced here at the Henry Ford Museum in a frozen-moment procession that begins with Ronald Reagan's 1972 Lincoln Continental and ends with Theodore Roosevelt's 1902 horse-drawn brougham carriage. And already, a shameful secret is revealed: Teddy's two-seater was probably an import.

Barack Obama's new limo -- a massive, mobile redoubt, a cross between a Cadillac and a hardened missile silo, code-named "Stagecoach" -- will never join this parade.

Some time after Sept. 11, 2001, the Secret Service adopted a policy to destroy presidential limos after they are taken out of service in order to protect their secrets. It's become routine to replace the presidential limo every four years at the beginning of a new term....
More info:
Kicking the tires on presidential limousines - Los Angeles Times
 
I saw the pics of the limo on my local newspaper, and boy, it looks big and shiny... now, it looks good when it is fully ready to be used for the president.
 
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