Medvedev: We'll Can Missiles if Obama Halts Missile Shield

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Jiro said:
...As for Cuban Missiles Crisis - um.... that was not anti-missile shield. It was mobile nuclear missile pointed at USA....
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Correct.
 
Byrdie714 said:
Poland asked the United States about the defense missle shield in the early 1990's, not this year. :)

The reason why the United States didn't do anything at that time was due to the fact that Poland just converted to a democracy from years of communism. The Americans wanted to make sure that the seed of democracy would take root in Poland. Afterall we didn't want to give them a defense missle shield and then have Poland revert back to communism.

Poland has proven themselves to a democractic society and a contributing member of NATO, therefore have the right to have the defense missle shield.
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Actually but EU and Russia see different.



 
Royale said:
First of all, the Polish people still have alot of hatred feelings toward Russia because of history.

The Russian troops supposedly left Poland following the end of WWII, but they stayed and installed the Communist puppet government against the wishes of Polish people.

I have several good friends who were born and grew up in Poland before defecting to Canada and U.S. They have told me that they still hate the Russians and their ancestors still hate them. They are often told by their ancestors and fellow Polish people about the Russians. Their families defected to these countries because of the Russians, not the Communist puppet government.

Remember that they do and will NOT forget their country's history and the treatments and betrayals that the Russians inflicted on their ancestors and properties.

The missile shield is used against the ROGUE states like Iran, not Russia only so it is used to protect the U.S. allies from conventional and nuclear missile attacks.

You cannot erase history because they will be told over again and again forever, period.
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Well, I have many former communists including Jews around here in Germany. It's not just them but Greek and Turkey, Cyprus as well... They have no hatred feeling each other over history, example Nazi survivors...... They accept and move on... I feel sorry for anyone who still have hatred feeling toward other countries because of those history... It does the same with my Irish Grandma. She was bitter woman and had hatred feeling toward UK because of past history but her siblings doesn't.

My youngest son's friend's parents are Polish and Russian. :aw: They often said that it's Government war.

Each person is different.
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~♥~Pinky~♥~ said:
Oh okay. You think Putin like James Bond? :laugh2: I don't know much about Putin's background. I am big fans of James Bond 007. :giggle:
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:lol: Yes, Putin was a KGB Agent of USSR as British Agent like James Bond 007of UK... Pierce Bronsan :naughty:
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Yes that's right, but the Sakhalin Island is not disputed area, it's belong to Russia. What I was talking about is those southern 4 islands of Kuril Islands east of Sakhalin Island which have been always belong to Japan and was never seized by Russia till 1945.

Kuril Islands dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Recently the Japanese fishermen on the boat accidently and didn't realized that they are across Russia's ocean borderline, but other Russian boat shoot them to death.

Russia Attacks Japanese Fishermen Near Disputed Kuril Islands

I just don't understand what is Russia's problem with Japan, I just don't like how Russia behave toward the Japanese since WW2.

Anyway, that post that I replied to Liebling, I was not intention to be off-topic, just explaining her how I feel about Russia, that's all. Thanks for sharing those links, it's really interesting :)
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Don't worry about :topic: because its about Russia... :ty: for share your posts and interesting links.
 
Reba said:
I see your :lol: so I hope that means that you are joking.
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Yes, I laughed when I read Pinky's and other's posts over James Bond to compare with Putin... and made sense of humor with her...
 
I can understand why people fear Putin but he has pointed out flaws in our democracy in the past to which the Bush administration refused to answer to. I can even dig up a link if people are interested in this.

Garry Kasparov has also pointed out that Russia is run by a "family" of sorts (kind of like the mafia).
 
Jiro said:
"sit down bitch!" lol! Bet that's what Uncle Sam said to Sarkozy. sorry :laugh2:
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I read somewhere that he and Angela Merkel don't see eye to eye. She probably made him her bitch on something.

Sarko-nazi is an asshole extreme anyway. The nazi part refers to his anti-immigration stance in France.
 
Lieblin' - I would like to question you about Russia, if it is okay with you? :)
Do you remember Reba created her own thread about Biden's remark " mark my words " about testin' Obama when he becomes a president ?

Okay, my question is : Do you think the first test will come from Russia that they will re-take several Eastern European countries, startin' with the Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania after what Russia did with Georgia back in August 2008 ?

Last question : Do you think that the U.S. can not be the world's policeman, just because of the loss of freedom of these countries ? I am curious what's your view on this ? How would Obama handle durin' his first test by other foreign country in a time like this ? :)

I just read Joe Biden's comments as he stated that he reminded the nation that on October 20, 2008 he had predicted that Russia might be one of " four or five scenarios " where an " international crisis " would arise. :cool:
 
Russia didn't re-take Georgia.

I doubt they'll re-take any of those countries. It would make Russia look bad to the West.
 
Maria said:
Lieblin' - I would like to question you about Russia, if it is okay with you? :)
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Sure

Do you remember Reba created her own thread about Biden's remark " mark my words " about testin' Obama when he becomes a president ?
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Yes, I posted there at Reba's thread.

Okay, my question is : Do you think the first test will come from Russia that they will re-take several Eastern European countries, startin' with the Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania after what Russia did with Georgia back in August 2008 ?
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Answer to your question with *thick bond* is No.



What you said about re-take Georgia last August 2008 is an incorrect. Georgia attacked South Ossista and killed over 1,600 Russians there before Russia invade Georgia to defend Russians in South Ossiseta.

Last question : Do you think that the U.S. can not be the world's policeman, just because of the loss of freedom of these countries ? I am curious what's your view on this ?
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No, U.S. cannot be the world's policeman because U.S. should not make their own decision for the leaders around the world but work together with the leaders around the world and share the agreement/disagreement. It would remind the world that U.S. is Hitler if U.S. want to dictate them with their own decision.

No, it has nothing do with loss of freedom but U.S. want to be world superpower but U.S. have to remember there're also superpower in China, Russia and India as well.

How would Obama handle durin' his first test by other foreign country in a time like this ? :)
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I don't know because I'm not a clairvoyance. I prefer wait and will know more after 20th January then..... :)

I just read Joe Biden's comments as he stated that he reminded the nation that on October 20, 2008 he had predicted that Russia might be one of " four or five scenarios " where an " international crisis " would arise. :cool:
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Could you please provide the source to support your claim here?
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Liebling:-))) said:
Could you please provide the source to support your claim here?
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October 20, 2008, 3:29 pm
Biden’s Crisis Remarks Reverberate
By John M. Broder

The campaign of Senator John McCain is trying to capitalize on some potentially ambiguous words from Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, at a Seattle fund-raiser Sunday night.

Mr. Biden predicted that Senator Barack Obama, if he is elected president, will quickly face a challenge from some hostile power or terrorist group eager to test the resolve of the rookie chief executive.

“Mark my words,” Mr. Biden warned at the Seattle fund-raiser, according to reports from network producers traveling with him, “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember, I said it standing here, if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

He added, “He’s going to have to make some really tough - I don’t know what the decision’s going to be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it’s going to happen.” He said he could envision four or five scenarios that might arise to challenge the new president, citing Russia or the Middle East as possible sources of trouble.

He then called on the donors to be prepared to rise to Mr. Obama’s defense because he will need to make some difficult and unpopular choices in response. “I’ve forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I’m not being falsely humble with you,” Mr. Biden told the donors, by way of reassuring them of his and Mr. Obama’s toughness and preparation. “I think I can be value added, but this guy has it. This guy has it.”

Mr. Biden was not clear about the “testing” Mr. Kennedy underwent upon taking office. His biggest early debacle - the Bay of Pigs invasion in April 1961 - was conceived by the CIA under the Eisenhower administration, not by some foreign power. His biggest test, the Cuban missile crisis, came in October 1962.

In July of this year, Senator Joseph Lieberman, a staunch ally of Mr. McCain’s also warned of potential crises that would confront the next president although he stopped short of saying an Obama presidency would be more likely to attract a terrorist threat. On ABC’s “This Week,” Mr. Lieberman cited additional history:

George Stephanopoulos: Are you saying that the election is going to trigger an attack and an attack is more likely if Obama gets elected?

Mr. Leiberman: No. But let me make clear, history tells us this — in 1993, the first years of the Clinton administration, al Qaeda hit the World Trade Center with a truck bomb; in 2001, 9/11, the first year of the Bush administration, al Qaeda hit the World Trade Center.

Our government is worried about the Iranians or the terrorists testing a new president. What I’m saying is we need a president on January 20th, 2009, who’s ready to be commander-in-chief on day one. I think by his life experience, by his long service in the Senate, by his passing tests under pressure, by his introduction of the 9/11 Commission and support of the 9/11 legislation, by his support of the Patriot Act and the Wiretapping Act, John McCain is ready to protect the security of the American people. I’m not saying Barack Obama is not prepared. I’m saying John McCain is ready on day one, and that’s what we’re going to need.

The McCain campaign has been e-mailing the Biden remarks around, citing them as evidence that electing Mr. Obama would be risky. Mr. McCain, in remarks prepared for delivery at a campaign rally in Missouri this afternoon, was preparing to say that the United States cannot afford to elect an untested chief executive who might be a temptation to terrorists or others who wish the nation ill.

“The next president won’t have time to get used to the office,” Mr. McCain is planning to say, according to excerpts released by the campaign. “We face many challenges here at home, and many enemies abroad in this dangerous world. Just last night, Senator Biden guaranteed that if Senator Obama is elected, we will have an international crisis to test America’s new president. We don’t want a president who invites testing from the world at a time when our economy is in crisis and Americans are already fighting in two wars.

“What is more troubling is that Senator Biden told their campaign donors that when that crisis hits, they would have to stand with them because it wouldn’t be apparent Senator Obama would have the right response. Forget apparent. Senator Obama won’t have the right response, and we know that because we’ve seen the wrong response from him over and over during this campaign. He opposed the surge strategy that is bringing us victory in Iraq and will bring us victory in Afghanistan. He said he would sit down unconditionally with the world’s worst dictators. When Russia invaded Georgia, Sen. Obama said the invaded country should show restraint.”

He is planning to add, “We cannot spend the next four years as we have spent much of the last eight: hoping for our luck to change at home and abroad. We have to act. We need a new direction, and we have to fight for it.”

David Wade, spokesman for Mr. Biden, released a statement to explain what Mr. Biden intended.

“With our nation facing two wars and 21st century threats abroad, Senator Biden referenced the simple fact that history shows presidents face challenges from day one. After eight years of a failed foreign policy, we need Barack Obama’s good judgment and steady leadership, not the erratic and ideological Bush-McCain approach that has set back our security and standing in the world.”

Biden’s Crisis Remarks Reverberate - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com
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