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Liebling:-))) · Sep 21, 2008

I cannot beleive what I see here is very twist...

No matter what, you did JUDGE and NEGATIVE them, period. Yes, you DID made DOZEN of negative posts and do if you are innocent to put us down for make negative posts toward Palin or McCain...

Quit to play innocent ...

*Shake my head disgusitly*

Liebling:-))) · Sep 21, 2008

Cheri said:
Cheri said:

Put you guys down?

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Yes, you have.

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when you did the same thing at Election 2004 to describe Bush in negative way...

And moviate about Hillary vs Obama and hope Hillary win. You lost interest after learn that Hillary lost to Obama and don´t make posts anymore and said that you vote none.

You would make negative toward McCain or Palin IF Hillary won... Yes, you would... I know you very well. You are political person and very moviate about presidency candication...

Show me proof where I had stated anything of Bush's background-- his personal life.

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Did I accuse you to negative Bush´s background? Please show me where. I do not see anything but I only say that you did made negative posts on Election 2004 to defend Kerry. You was Kerry´s supporter and defend Kerry and made dozen of negative posts... You would do if Hillary win over Obama. Please don´t deny it because I know you and your posts very well.

I only had discuss the things he did during the time he was the President, nothing personal about him, his wife or his family. Most of you judged Palin, her family's background, and her daughter..

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Its about Palin´s honestly because many Americans beleive in judge their background before vote them. I thought you as an American know that.

that's far the worst I've seen in the history of political.

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you think Palin is first person in the history, the medias dig her background.. They did to dozen of politicians including presidents. I would suggest you search more about politicians and presidents background then you will be surprise that Palin is not first and only person in the world.

Just the same when some of you had a problem with Bill Clinton getting some action in the oval office while he was a President, It never bothered me, what he did--doesn't make it my business.

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*look around at posters here and remember who negative about Bill Clinton and oval office* Yes, I remember who... It´s ONE ADer here. (I am sure you know who) because you and I were there to make heat debate over Bill Clinton and oval office. You and I have the same opinion about Bill Clinton and don´t care what and how he did at Oval office but I first registered AllDeaf 2004 and don´t know what and how ADers debated on Election 2000.

Liebling:-))) · Sep 21, 2008

Reba said:
Yes, I know that saying, and I know who said it.

Again, if you want to slander and libel me, you better have some supporting proof.

Should I dig thousand posts for you since 2004 including very negative about Clinton´s background ?

Do you deny that you did made negative posts to defend Bush on Election 2004 and also Obama, Hillary and Bill as well?

I have no reason to make it up what I know about your posts... I made a first post because it´s truth. Please don´t accuse me as a bad person and think I slander and libel you... This is very offensive because you know VERY WELL you DID it. If you carry on like this then you will remind me of McCain.

Anyway, I would like to end this discussion.

Liebling:-))) · Sep 21, 2008

Look, we know McCain´s private background. He admitted everything what and how he behaved selfish during first marriage to Carol... and then later Carol shared her story about her bad experience with McCain.... McCain do not denied Carol´s story... That´s why medias don´t bother to dig deep McCain´s background but his political experience background, war issues, POW, etc.

The medias would not bother Palin´s private background much but dig her political background IF Palin admit everything like what McCain did.

I can see that the medias doing for the people and country, beleive that the people has the right to know what kind of person they are before they can judge and then vote them.

I personally disagree to look at politican´s private background but I can understand and respect that many people beleive in look at private background to judge their honestly before they can vote them. I do not insult, bash or nasty names on Palin but entitle my view over family value issues that her big career as VP should wait because her family come first. Yes I know it´s none of my business but I have heart for the children... I can´t help it because I myself am mother.

KarissaMann05 · Sep 21, 2008

Jolie77 said:
You know, I just don't get it at some time whenever I see both candidates talking smack about each other. Well, Honestly, I'm not surprised it has came down to this but really, What kind of examples are they setting for if they wanted the best for this country? There's an irony in the midst of this.

If they really had thought about wanting the best interest for this country, they should be focusing on these issues instead of resorting to the name calling and trading off those unnecessary remarks, etc.

VamPyroX said:
I noticed that as the presidential elections come up, more and more advertisements are based on criticizing or degrading each other. It's gotten to a point where they talk about their own goals in public and talk about how the other sucks in commercials. :roll:

I feel the same thing too... Sighs.

I don't know what I will say if I pick one of two candidates since I already got hateful comments from McCain/Palin bashers... I'm so tired of everything!!

Hey, this is how I see and how I feel about it... please no take it so personal... :ty:

Peace.

Liebling:-))) · Sep 21, 2008

KarrissaMann,

This is all what we posted on Obama vs McCain, not just you pick some... it sound that you are not a neutral person.

I use those search as a neutral person on both Obama vs McCain instead of pick many links...

Obama supporters

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Cheri · Sep 21, 2008

Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, you have.

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That is speaking the truth of what I've seen in threads that are being discussed about Palin. It's not to be said to bring anyone down.

when you did the same thing at Election 2004 to describe Bush in negative way...

While he was in the office, as a President, yeah so? It doesn't even match up of what you had said about Palin, and her family-- their personal background has nothing to do with Political.

And moviate about Hillary vs Obama and hope Hillary win. You lost interest after learn that Hillary lost to Obama and don´t make posts anymore and said that you vote none.

You would make negative toward McCain or Palin IF Hillary won... Yes, you would... I know you very well. You are political person and very moviate about presidency candication...

And Hillary had lost to Obama, have you seen me say anything personal about Obama? No...

You would do if Hillary win over Obama. Please [/COLOR]don´t deny it because I know you and your posts very well.[/FONT]

You were talking about the election of 2004, now it's about the possibilities if Hillary had won, but she did not, so it's pointless to bring that to the discussion. Don't try to get out of your own guilt.

Maria · Sep 21, 2008

Liebling:-))) said:
Like what Jillio said "No one is saying cruel things. They are saying true things. If the truth is cruel, then she is the one responsible for that." and my response: "She should think twice before accept McCain´s offer as his VP..." She should know better that medias loves to dig her background BECAUSE medias are doing for the people and country and feel that the people have the right to know/judge about their background before vote them.

Well, it is still cruel to dig up the past to tarnish their images and I don't think it is fair. People can't expect someone to be PERFECT. No one is. Each and every person has their own flaws. Medias love to dig up EVERY celebrity or famous people's background, not just Palin's. Palin became popular when she first became a runnin' mate. I don't think it is right to dig up in her background just because, she became popular. People love to find faults and blame so this way it could change Palin's popularity to less popular - so the Democrats could get more leadin' points than Republicians. It's all about competition.

I know myself from my own experience... like what I said before "The truth will set you free"... My first job interview at Police Criminal Unit (not police station), they asked me questions about my background. I gave them what they want to know instead of hide something from them... Of course they asked me about my family´s background. I know my family´s background is not very good (criminal records...) Should I lie to save myself? NO WAY because they would focus the truth about me and my family before offer me a wonderful job, I dream about. All what I answered to them... "Why do I have to answer anything about my family when I thought it´s about me, not my family?" Guess what? They at me with sign *thumbup*. 3 months later after that, I GOT job!!!!!!!! My Dad & Grandma were like :jaw: and "how"? because they advised me to not go to interview in first place because they would NEVER offer me a job because of family background in their opinion... I told them firm that I want to see it myself. I did... and then got a job within 3 months later... See? because they like the truth than lie. If Palin agreed to take McCain´s offer as his VP then she have to tell the truth. The truth is cruel sometimes but it´s better get it over quickly than tell lie to hide yourself and make yourself worst.

It doesn't matter, before OR after it's still the same problem. Once a person become a president, the medias will tell the world about the president's problem if, she/he involves somethin' illegally or break the laws. Just like Clinton when he became president, he was involved with this woman, Monica - NOT before when he became president. It doesn't matter, really whether it be before or after. There's always a problem on both sides.

Sometimes, experiences and lesson learned change people and they don't want the same mistakes in the near future by makin' things right. Like for example: Some prisons change people when they get out of prisons. They are not the same people after the prisons taught them. They don't want to lose the opporunity of freedom they want to taste again and many things.

I guess, you want a perfect leader, because you prefer NO flaws in him/her. It's impossible to have a perfect leader like that for people to vote. If, you prefer a leader to give you and people WHAT you and people WANT, then it's you and people's faults if, there's some problems out there. You and people can't blame this leader for creatin' problems. It's YOU and PEOPLE'S faults, not leader's. You and people are the ones who ask for it. Like for example: People want that choice to select abortion for unwanted pregnancies and freedom to enjoy whatever entertainment they desire... includin' films, music, books and television drenched with violence and illicit sex.... and everythin'. It is your and people's fault for wantin' all that, IF there's rapists or molesters or murderers are out there. It's your and people's responsible not to allow that to happen by selectin' the right choices to prevent that from happenin'. If, you and people chose the WRONG choices, then you and people allow this to happen to hurt others and children. I think it's gone tooo far when people want somethin' to get them not to get bored. They want somethin' else different and DO whatever they want without thinkin' what consequences it will cause. I hope this helps to understand what I mean. I know what I am thinkin' but to explain/describe things - I am tryin' my best to make it clear for some of you to understand my views.

shel90 · Sep 21, 2008

If some ADers are negative about some politicans...so what? What's the big deal? I am very puzzled by this whole thing. Yes, I make negative comments about some politicans...dunno if I did about their personal lives. I dont keep track of everything I say. If I did, then sue me. :giggle:

Liebling:-))) · Sep 21, 2008

Cheri said:
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That is speaking the truth of what I've seen in threads that are being discussed about Palin. It's not to be said to bring anyone down.

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No, what you said about us is not true because we did not insult, anger or hate toward Palin but that way of your saying to put us down when you know we discussed negative about Palin´s background... I would say that we discussed MOST about her political background than privacy background. My discussion point is most about family value. Do you see me use nasty names to insult Palin after learn from links (I posted at few days ago) that she is cruelty to animal and shoot wolves and bears out of pleasure...? Nope... Or have you seen me saying that Palin is a bad mother? Nope... I do not see anything that I insult or make nasty names on Palin but state my POV. The way of your saying do if you are innocent and make us look bad because none of your word about "hate", "anger", etc is true. I has the right to REMIND you that you did the same thing no matter what but NEGATIVE.

While he was in the office, as a President, yeah so? It doesn't even match up of what you had said about Palin, and her family-- their personal background has nothing to do with Political.

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Good, that you ADMIT that you did made negative posts, no matter either political nor private background... but NEGATIVE is NEGATIVE, period... That´s American way including White House as well for want to know politician´s private background before they can judge and then vote them. I am sure that you know it.

And Hillary had lost to Obama, have you seen me say anything personal about Obama? No...

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Yes, you are disappointed and say that you don´t vote Obama and then don´t post anymore and a very few posts, that´s all.

You were talking about the election of 2004, now it's about the possibilities if Hillary had won, but she did not, so it's pointless to bring that to the discussion.

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This is a denial... No matter what because I know you very well... You loves political and made a good debate/argument over political issues... Yes, you made a LOT of posts in political threads for long years since I first registered in 2004. You quit after learn that Hillary lost to Obama.

Don't try to get out of your own guilt.

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Why should I ? I like to debate positive or negative in political threads... So? I thought you know it because you and I share a lot of political debate in threads in the past... All what I know is I did not insult, bash, anger, made nasty names, pictures on Palin, Bush, McCain or whatever but made humor posts sometimes, most negative and positive posts when I want to agree to disagree.

Don´t try to put me down over my negative posts toward Palin because I do not anger, insult, hate toward Palin...

Liebling:-))) · Sep 21, 2008

shel90 said:
If some ADers are negative about some politicans...so what? What's the big deal? I am very puzzled by this whole thing. Yes, I make negative comments about some politicans...dunno if I did about their personal lives. I dont keep track of everything I say. If I did, then sue me.

Logical yes, it would be boring if we talk about ONLY positive ALL THE TIME... There´re ALWAYS have negatives and positives! Of course I do not deny that I made negative and positive posts... So what?.... I cannot beleive that some ADers deny it or take our posts personal. :roll:

Maria,

Just let you know that I do not ignore your post... You will have my response later because I have to go for a walk to fresh air with my hubby.

Reba · Sep 21, 2008

KarissaMann05 said:
I am with ya, Reba. I don't hate her... I just don't trust her plans...

Still - I see a lot of fear, anger, and hate anywhere in political section... yet I almost never see any positive about McCain/Palin.

Well, like I said, they (*some*) will do anything to bring McCain/Palin down. :roll:

EDIT: Okay... I only see very small number rate of Pro-McCain/Palin supporters who are ADers while we have a lot lot of pro-Obama supporters who are ADers. It's retty easy to smash them out if there are low rate of Palin/McCain supporters...

At outside of AllDeaf, some anti-McCain/Palin people hate me because they thought I support them. :roll:

I'm glad that you understand my points.

I'm not opposed to debate. I'm not opposed to people bringing up "negative" facts that can impact the election.

What I am opposed to are emotional rather than logical conclusions about the facts, unsupported gossip, and creative fable telling about candidates.

It's the quick and furious number of anti-Palin threads and posts that surprised me. If she is clearly such an unqualified player why all the energy being spent in "exposing" her? Could it be possible that the Democrats aren't so confident in their position that they have to try even harder to defeat the opposition at any cost?

If people don't want to vote for Palin, that's OK with me. If they want to post FACTUAL examples of her lack of experience or political judgment, that's fine, too. But I think it's also OK for me to question all the hysteria and tone of hatred.

Like you posted, you don't trust her plans. That's fair since none of us really know enough about her.

Reba · Sep 21, 2008

Liebling:-))) said:
Maybe his background for media is too boring... ?

Maybe he is too honestly then media can´t try to dirt him ?

Maybe medias know we know his background alot for long time because he work as a senator for over 30 years.... ?

His political background has plenty of "dirt" in it, too. Most people have been aware of it for years. That's why he had to drop out of the first presidential campaign years ago. They just tend to overlook it now.

Reba · Sep 21, 2008

Liebling:-))) said:
...Did you know that famous word: "The truth will set you free" ?

Yes.

John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free .

Reba · Sep 21, 2008

Liebling:-))) said:
No matter what...

In other words, you can't prove your slander against me.

OK.

Here's another American saying you should know: "Put up or shut up."

If you can't prove that I posted hate against any candidates, then please refrain from posting those libelous statements.

Liebling:-))) · Sep 21, 2008

Maria said:
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Well, it is still cruel to dig up the past to tarnish their images and I don't think it is fair. People can't expect someone to be PERFECT. No one is. Each and every person has their own flaws. Medias love to dig up EVERY celebrity or famous people's background, not just Palin's. Palin became popular when she first became a runnin' mate. I don't think it is right to dig up in her background just because, she became popular. People love to find faults and blame so this way it could change Palin's popularity to less popular - so the Democrats could get more leadin' points than Republicians. It's all about competition.

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Yes life could be cruel, not easy and fair sometimes like this but it´s not just Palin and famous people but everyone.

Is it unfair for medias to dig Palin´s political background? My answer is no because I beleive that everyone has the right to know Palin´s political background and also value as well before they are able to make decision either they can vote Palin or not. Americans want to know her political view/plan for the country and what person she is. They did the same thing to many politicans including Hillary, not just Palin.

There´re some good and bad medias everywhere but it´s up to our judgment on which reliable newspapers or online newspapers we can trust and read.

Nobody expect for prefect.

Over popular issues, no it´s not just Palin... remember Princess Diana? Hillary?

No, it´s medias who digs into Palin´s background, not Democrats.

It doesn't matter, before OR after it's still the same problem. Once a person become a president, the medias will tell the world about the president's problem if, she/he involves somethin' illegally or break the laws. Just like Clinton when he became president, he was involved with this woman, Monica - NOT before when he became president. It doesn't matter, really whether it be before or after. There's always a problem on both sides.

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See? Palin is not only one and first person in the world...

Sometimes, experiences and lesson learned change people and they don't want the same mistakes in the near future by makin' things right. Like for example: Some prisons change people when they get out of prisons. They are not the same people after the prisons taught them. They don't want to lose the opporunity of freedom they want to taste again and many things.

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We all, not just Palin. We all make mistakes and learn to live with it or improve and correct our mistakes or deny our mistakes. Each person is different but I have read Palin´s political background a lot and noticed that she denied her mistake a lot. She is the one who is responsible to make the people skeptical.

I guess, you want a perfect leader, because you prefer NO flaws in him/her. It's impossible to have a perfect leader like that for people to vote.

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Nobody asking for perfect. I really have no idea why you mentioned this because nobody asking for perfect but judge political view/values before they vote them.

Do you prefer to know nothing about Palin´s political view/value/experience before vote her?

For me NO WAY... I rather to know political background to make sure that my future president is not for communist or whatever before vote him/her. I sometimes thank medias to do their job to find out the truth to help my decision who I can vote to. I pick reliable newspapers... depend on my judgment...

If, you prefer a leader to give you and people WHAT you and people WANT, then it's you and people's faults if, there's some problems out there. You and people can't blame this leader for creatin' problems. It's YOU and PEOPLE'S faults, not leader's. You and people are the ones who ask for it. Like for example: People want that choice to select abortion for unwanted pregnancies and freedom to enjoy whatever entertainment they desire... includin' films, music, books and television drenched with violence and illicit sex.... and everythin'. It is your and people's fault for wantin' all that, IF there's rapists or molesters or murderers are out there. It's your and people's responsible not to allow that to happen by selectin' the right choices to prevent that from happenin'. If, you and people chose the WRONG choices, then you and people allow this to happen to hurt others and children. I think it's gone tooo far when people want somethin' to get them not to get bored. They want somethin' else different and DO whatever they want without thinkin' what consequences it will cause. I hope this helps to understand what I mean. I know what I am thinkin' but to explain/describe things - I am tryin' my best to make it clear for some of you to understand my views.

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Do you mean that you are for that the leader should dicate what and how the people do what the leader wants, not give the people freedom what they wants and lead their life with their own decision, responsbilites, etc?

For your information, we are not the leader´s children. We are adult and know what we do with our own choices and responsiblies, not the leader. We learn to correct our mistakes ourselves, not the leader. I do not want the leader to take my choice and freedom away to follow the leader´s way.

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Liebling:-))) · Sep 21, 2008

Reba said:
In other words, you can't prove your slander against me.

OK.

Here's another American saying you should know: "Put up or shut up."

If you can't prove that I posted hate against any candidates, then please refrain from posting those libelous statements.

You can say what you want but the truth is stay with me.

Liebling:-))) · Sep 21, 2008

Reba said:
His political background has plenty of "dirt" in it, too. Most people have been aware of it for years. That's why he had to drop out of the first presidential campaign years ago. They just tend to overlook it now.

Joe Biden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:dunno:

P.S. it´s sad to read that he lost his wife and daughter to road accident.

Reba · Sep 21, 2008

Liebling:-))) said:
You can say what you want but the truth is stay with me.

Your accusation against me is a lie. Please stop it and retract it.

Liebling:-))) · Sep 21, 2008

Reba said:
Your accusation against me is a lie. Please stop it and retract it.

WHAT!!! :jaw:

Okay... you can say or think what you want... It´s very sad to learn that you deny that you made a LOT of negative over Clinton´s background... YES ALOT... and do you deny that you call Obama as a maxitix (sp) because you beleive false gossip about him...? You don´t bother to apology or whatever after learn from snope.com what person Obama is?

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