Will Spanish overtake English in America?

Foxrac said:
There's already called American English, it is existing for US.
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Jiro said:
according to OP - "yes, It will happen 10 to 20 years from now. Spanish will overtake California and Texas for sure! also it will complete in 15 to 20 years. Good bye to English in America?"

That's usually a concern raised by a Caucasian. Do you hear this concern expressed by other minority like Koreans? Chinese? Blacks? not as much as Caucasian.
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Really? I don't know many black people who are thrilled with Spanish language taking over.

So are you saying that Americans of Korean and Chinese descent don't mind Spanish taking over as America's native tongue?

Just as a point of fact, many Spanish speakers consider themselves "white" and many English speakers are non-white, so it's not a "white" issue.


c'mon there..... You and I both know this is not gonna happen. :) Embrace it bilingually.
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I'm all for individuals learning more languages. However, people moving from one country to a new one should be required to learn the language of the new country if they want to become fully involved citizens. It is exactly because we are a nation of immigrants that speak many different languages that we need a common language (English) in order to work together and form a national identity. We are Americans, no hyphens necessary.
 
Jiro said:
1. White (Caucasian) people are not interested in learning Spanish anyway.
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Then why are local colleges offering more courses every year for Spanish (for college credit) and Spanish (non-credit) for workers, casual conversation, etc.?

Or do you mean black and Asian people are signing up for Spanish classes more than the "white" people are?


2. the view holds strong among Caucasian people about Spanish people - "illegals" and "no hablo ingles"
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Well, I know that "Caucasian" business and education leaders are strongly encouraging their employees and students to learn Spanish as a matter of practicality.

The goal is still to encourage Spanish speakers to learn English. If English speakers can learn Spanish, they can help them attain that goal.


the funny thing is - majority of Caucasian people INCLUDING Europeans share same view about Spanish-speaking people.
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Spaniards are Caucasion Europeans. What is their view?
 
Reba said:
Really? I don't know many black people who are thrilled with Spanish language taking over.
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Thrilled? no but point is the black people have already accepted the fact that the Hispanic population is growing. Caucasian people need to accept it as well and they need to know that this country is not exclusively for Caucasian people.

Reba said:
So are you saying that Americans of Korean and Chinese descent don't mind Spanish taking over as America's native tongue?
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They're not complaining as much as Caucasian about Spanish people. I mean.... that's like kettle calling the pot black, right :lol: We are bilingual people anyway. So should Caucasian people.... if they want to.

Reba said:
Just as a point of fact, many Spanish speakers consider themselves "white" and many English speakers are non-white, so it's not a "white" issue.
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wondering if it'll ever come to point where Korean speakers would consider themselves as "white" :lol:

Reba said:
I'm all for individuals learning more languages. However, people moving from one country to a new one should be required to learn the language of the new country if they want to become fully involved citizens. It is exactly because we are a nation of immigrants that speak many different languages that we need a common language (English) in order to work together and form a national identity. We are Americans, no hyphens necessary.
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I completely agree. I strongly believe this country should OFFICIALLY declare English as official language.
 
Foxrac said:
There's already called American English, it is existing for US.
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That's right. American English is different from British English or Australian English.
 
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English has always been the primary language of USA. I don't think Spanish will completely take over English in this country. But, yes, we are seeing more of the spanish language being affliated one way or other.

I think of combining Spanish/English or any other languages should be OK. As long as it doesn't trample over each other.

Why should we have one way track to embrace one language? What could be better than to learn various languages?

I also don't think languages should apply to one group of races. There are many various races that uses different languages.
 
Frisky Feline said:
Oh, I got it about the caucasian part. My mistake. In my opinion that "white skin" will be fading out slowly in the future. But English stays.
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There's good prediction.
Minorities expected to be majority in 2050 - CNN.com

(CNN) -- By 2050, minorities will be the majority in America, and the number of residents older than 65 will more than double, according to projections released Thursday by the U.S. Census Bureau.

Minorities, classified as those of any race other than non-Hispanic, single-race whites, currently constitute about a third of the U.S. population, according to Census figures. But by 2042, they are projected to become the majority, making up more than half the population. By 2050, 54 percent of the population will be minorities.

Minority children are projected to reach that milestone even sooner. By 2023, the bureau said, more than half of all children will be minorities.

"Part of it is a higher fertility rate for some of the minority groups, Hispanics in particular," said Dave Waddington, chief of the Census Bureau's population projection branch, which issued the report. "Those groups also tend to be more of the childbearing age. Non-Hispanic white people tend to be a little bit older."

The projections are based on Census 2000 results and assumptions about future childbearing, mortality rates and net international migration, the bureau said.

The group predicted to post the most dramatic gain is the Hispanic population. It is projected to nearly triple, from 46.7 million to 132.8 million, from 2008 through 2050, the bureau said. Its share of the total U.S. population is expected to double from 15 to 30 percent. "Thus, one in three U.S. residents would be Hispanic," the Census Bureau said in a news release.

The African-American population is projected to increase from 41.1 million to 65.7 million by 2050, going from 14 percent of the U.S. population to 15 percent. The Asian-American population is expected to increase from 15.5 million to 40.6 million, or from 5.1 percent to 9.2 percent of the population.

Among the remaining races, the bureau said, American Indians and Alaska natives are projected to increase from 3.9 million to 8.6 million, going from 1.6 percent to 2 percent of the U.S. population. Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islanders are expected to more than double, increasing from 1.1 to 2.6 million.

In addition, the number of U.S. residents identifying themselves as being of two or more races is projected to more than triple, increasing to 16.2 million from its current 5.2 million, the Census Bureau said.

Meanwhile, the non-Hispanic white population is not expected to post dramatic gains in the same period. By 2050, whites are expected to number 203.3 million, slightly increased from the 2008 number of 199.8 million. Whites will comprise 46 percent of the U.S. population by 2050, down from the current level of 66 percent, the bureau said, as the group is projected to lose population in the 2030s and 2040s.

By 2030, all baby boomers will be age 65 and older -- comprising nearly 20 percent of U.S. residents, or one in five Americans, the bureau said. By 2050, the 65-and-older age group will increase to 88.5 million, more than doubling its current number of 38.7 million. Meanwhile, the number of those age 85 and older is expected to more than triple, from 5.4 million in 2008 to 19 million by 2050.

Non-Hispanic whites make up most of the baby boomers, Waddington said. "They're in a higher mortality rate ... nonminority groups tend to be older and dying off faster" instead of reproducing at the rate projected for minorities.

Obviously, the projections will have "very strong policy implications," he said -- medical care for an increasingly elderly population, for instance, educational needs for increasing numbers of minority children and economic effects for the labor force.

"Who's going to do the jobs that are characteristically held right now by certain types of people?" Waddington said. "All those things are subject to change."

The United States is projected to reach the 400 million population milestone in 2039, according to bureau projections. By 2050, the population is expected to be 439 million. Of those, 235.7 million are expected to be minorities.

As U.S. cities and towns have increasingly become more diverse, Census officials knew the day of a majority minority would come, Waddington said. And "the aging one is sort of simple," he added. "That's demography 101."

Other highlights from the report released Thursday:

• By 2050, 62 percent of the nation's children will be minorities, up from 44 percent today. Of those, 39 percent are projected to be Hispanic, up from 22 percent in 2008, and 38 percent are projected to be white, down from 56 percent in 2008

• The percentage of the U.S. population between the ages of 18 and 64 -- the "working age" population -- is projected to decrease to 57 percent in 2050 from 63 percent in 2008.

• The working-age population will become more than 50 percent minority in 2039, and by 2050 will constitute 55 percent of the population.

• By 2050, the working-age population will be more than 30 percent Hispanic, up from 15 percent in 2008; 15 percent African-American, up from 13 percent in 2008; and 9.6 percent Asian, up from 5.3 percent in 2008.

Waddington said the timelines are not written in stone. "It's a projection. And things like the baby boom generation couldn't be predicted." Major changes in policy affecting families and children, or a major policy affecting immigration, could have an impact on the expectations, he said.

The nation's undocumented workers -- estimated at 12 million or more -- are included in the projections, Waddington said. Census data includes all U.S. residents, regardless of their legal status, he said.
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It means there will be still white, not about my opinion.
 
Jiro said:
Thrilled? no but point is the black people have already accepted the fact that the Hispanic population is growing. Caucasian people need to accept it as well and they need to know that this country is not exclusively for Caucasian people.
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On what do you base this statement? Has there been a survey of black people?

Who said that this country was for Caucasian people only? That has nothing to do with speaking Spanish. Remember, Caucasian people are native Spanish speakers also.


They're not complaining as much as Caucasian about Spanish people. I mean.... that's like kettle calling the pot black, right :lol: We are bilingual people anyway. So should Caucasian people.... if they want to.
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I really don't know what the racial breakdown is for Americans who are either pro or con on Spanish v. English. On what do you base your statement? You must have some surveys that I haven't yet seen.


I completely agree. I strongly believe this country should OFFICIALLY declare English as official language.
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That's fine with me.
 
I think that statistic is inaccurate. Some people who happen to be white or non white that don't report to the census records based on the skin colors. Think about it.
 
Frisky Feline said:
I think that statistic is inaccurate. Some people who happen to be white or non white that don't report to the census records based on the skin colors. Think about it.
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All population is already counted if you are legal citizen or immigrant, it already in their system, go ask demographer since they know about how prediction works, I learned in 5 years ago and prediction isn't always accurate, it is based on growth rate.
 
Needless to say, that I have not gotten proof or researched on populations. Maybe they may have (almost solid) records of populations here in usa. Well from my own eyes, where I work, I don't see much of small kids who have white skins. thats all i can say for now.
 
Reba said:
Then why are local colleges offering more courses every year for Spanish (for college credit) and Spanish (non-credit) for workers, casual conversation, etc.?
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and what happens in the end? Their Spanish vocabulary is still limited to "mi casa es tu casa" and "yo quiero taco bell". They are clearly not interested at all in being a bilingual person. That's ok. It's their life but I just have to point out that we minorities are bilingual and several European countries are trilingual. What of American Caucasian? I think we all know that they want to stay "ignorant".

Beside - colleges are offering dozen more languages too - Russian, Italian, French, ASL, Korean, Japanese, etc. I think it's safe to say that Caucasian people who took European foreign language course (French/Italian) know much better than Caucasian people who took Spanish course.

Reba said:
Or do you mean black and Asian people are signing up for Spanish classes more than the "white" people are?
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That will make us Asians a trilingual people! Asian Language + English + Spanish... OYE! Beside - most of them are signing up for European language course. This is seems to be a trend among Koreans. If they want to be doctor, they learn German. If they want to be artist/fashionist/musician, they learn either French or Italian. If they want to be in business, they learn Spanish. :dunno:

off-topic - nowadays... lot of people mistaken black people for African-American when lot of black people are Hispanic. My best friend is black and he's from DR. He was commonly identified as African-American.

Reba said:
Well, I know that "Caucasian" business and education leaders are strongly encouraging their employees and students to learn Spanish as a matter of practicality.

The goal is still to encourage Spanish speakers to learn English. If English speakers can learn Spanish, they can help them attain that goal.
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:hmm: yea? just so they can recruit more illegals? :lol: ok bad joke

Reba said:
Spaniards are Caucasion Europeans. What is their view?
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They (and Portuguese) look down on Hispanic/Mexican people. They ruled over them, didjaknow? Simple - look at South American countries like Brazil and Argentina.
 
Foxrac said:
All population is already counted if you are legal citizen or immigrant, it already in their system, go ask demographer since they know about how prediction works, I learned in 5 years ago and prediction isn't always accurate, it is based on growth rate.
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the off-springs of legal citizen and immigrants do not always report to Census. That's what demographer knew too :)
 
I like to mess with the forms that require me to mark my ethnic identity on it...most forms indicate 'Caucasian (non-Hispanic)'. If it doesn't indicate 'Other', then it forces me to mark Caucasian (non-Hispanic) yet I'm half Mexican. Sometimes I even draw the line over (non-Hispanic), then add the word 'Mexican.' :P I even don't like the word, Hispanic.
 
all schools

Believe it or not! most school require all students to take Spanish language class that's why Hispanic population will overtake white in America.

2020
1. Hispanic
2. Caucasian (white)
3. Black
4. Asian

2040
1. Hispanic
2. Asian
3. Black
4. Caucasian (white)
 
taurizs said:
Believe it or not! most school require all students to take Spanish language class that's why Hispanic population will overtake white in America.

2020
1. Hispanic
2. Caucasian (white)
3. Black
4. Asian

2040
1. Hispanic
2. Asian
3. Black
4. Caucasian (white)
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No, that's not true, man.
 
Reba said:
On what do you base this statement? Has there been a survey of black people?
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look at the news. hate crime. communities. Why is it that all minority races share same view when they get angry.. illogically.. toward to Caucasian people?

Reba said:
Who said that this country was for Caucasian people only? That has nothing to do with speaking Spanish. Remember, Caucasian people are native Spanish speakers also.
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see my previous post.

Reba said:
I really don't know what the racial breakdown is for Americans who are either pro or con on Spanish v. English. On what do you base your statement? You must have some surveys that I haven't yet seen.
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POLL: Spanish Spoken Here -- and Two-thirds Don't Mind

Spanish speaking in the United States is widespread and accepted by most Americans. But a third who experience this language difference are troubled by it -- and they have distinctly more negative attitudes about immigrants and Hispanics generally.

Just 10 percent of Americans concede any personal prejudice against Hispanics -- far fewer than the number who, in previous polls, have self-reported prejudice on the basis of race, against overweight people, or against Arabs and Muslims.
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Being bothered by Spanish isn't affected by how often people hear it, meaning other factors are at play. People bothered by Spanish, instead, are those who are more apt to call for stricter immigration rules and to have negative views on immigration generally, particularly on illegal immigration. (This survey, it should be noted, was done in English.)
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and another source - Deep Divisions, Shared Destiny - A Poll of Black, Hispanic, and Asian Americans on Race Relations
 
taurizs said:
Believe it or not! most school require all students to take Spanish language class that's why Hispanic population will overtake white in America.

2020
1. Hispanic
2. Caucasian (white)
3. Black
4. Asian

2040
1. Hispanic
2. Asian
3. Black
4. Caucasian (white)
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interesting prediction there. is there any source or whatsoever to back your claim?
 
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