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Mookie said:
let me know the results after you call 911 to non-sorenson vrs and hope its too late (heart attack, raping/robbery in progress, house burned down, etc) ok?
share with other vrs providers? why cant you share your bed with lover with me?
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Hey, your mistaken! I am not against Sorenson! In fact, I STILL do use their service, and I AVOIDED HOVRS because I know HOVRS allies and I don't like them. I also have two Sorenson VP-100 and two Dlink DVC-1000.
qwerty123 said:bravo, bravo i give two thumbs mile high to hohguyohio.
come on, diehardbiker and dennis, what are you fussing about? still :fu: to sorenson and :69: to hovrs?
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qwerty123 said:
:roll: I would prefer to use 911 via the landline. Why? Of course, it is the fastest connection to the 911 from the TTD. The slowest connection is to use 911 via the VP. Qwerty, you knew perfectly as well.
Keep in mind that visitors are unfamiliar with 911 system via Sorenson VP so they would always dial 911 via the landline. If I am the guest at my deaf friend's residence, I may not know where the heck is VP so I dial the 911 via the simple telephone or TDD. Qwerty, use your freking common sense...
Of course, I use different VRS competitors since I knew only Sorenson VRS would take a bit longer to answer any deafie's request.
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Mookie said:
right on, mookie
now, the majority of TDD machines are either dead, stashed away, or not even working so would you still want to use TDD? If i were you ill just dial 911 on landline phone and use my deafy voice to request whatever service I need. ill dial 911 first, then search for TDD, if found, flick it on, if work then put phone receiver on craddle and type away the message. if they respond, ill explain what is the nature of emergency.
and using 911 on Sorenson vp will take you to the top of the queue, therefore no waiting time. get your facts straight.
for most vp users, the vp phone number is the actual landline phone number and the vrs terp can simply pass on the information name and phone number in almost real time to 911 center intrado and start talking. can request specific public service.
you know that very well
i have used 911 before, so i know what its like
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ideafspy said:Right, however; I don't know how Sorenson will update our vp-100 and 200 to able reg. to our phsyical address. Hope they are working on it.
me talk about registration for voip phones, not videophones. soreson uses intrado center
http://www.intrado.com/main/home/
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qwerty123 said:
Qwerty, you may have known more info than me, Dennis, DHB. Of course, I will keep TDD in case of Internet down. Don't you know that telephone still works well without using the power? Humor me if you may have forgot to purchase an APC back-up battery for your TV, VP, Computer and moniter/LCD or laptop, modem, All-in-one printer and superwoof speakers. Trust me that you will keep your old TDD just in case…
I don’t give a damn about using my deafy squawky voice directly to the 911 dispatcher so that I can save person(s)'s life as long as they can track the call via landline or air. I wonder why you like to make fun of deaf/hard-of-hearing/speech-impaired individual using deafy voices.
I bet Sorenson VRS would record on every 911 calls and they would have to provide to any police dept for request a cop in case if any deafie probably be murdered in front of the eyes of VRS terp. Of course, the enforced investigators are interested to see on the tape instead of VRS terp's words...
Would Sorenson VRS provide the copy of 911 tapes to enforced agencies? Care to share, Mr. Know Everything...
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Mookie said:
what makes you think that sorenson will record the video part of the call?
dunno if they provide the 911 tapes to authorities? me sure intrado would record the voice portion, but me dunno about the video portion.
so, mookie, me not mr know everything
look like that mookie dhb dennis me did not go to nad convention in palm spring to hear sorenson 911 workshop
fact is landline phones are most sure way to reach 911 center, but with aid slowpoke tty so lets not fuss over sorenson tireless great effort to set up 911 system 911 vrs still have to manaully pass on information from caller to 911 center
ok?
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qwerty123 said:
Maybe Sorenson workshop at NAD might not share whole senstive info or does not want to make scare to NAD visitors. That's exactly why you have gained more info than us...
911 dispatch center does have recording system. I am sure that Sorenson VRS firm does have recording for high authorized officials only.
Did you inquire Sorenson staff about recording calls?
Qwerty, don't forget to look for APC back-up batter for your VP in case power goes out in your region...
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I am very aware of Sorenson's proposed 911 system. I didn't need to attend a workshop where they only share what they want you to hear. I can get to know the really nitty gritty details.
Their system will entail that YOU CALL VRS, you get to the front of their 5 minute wait system. So, if you want to make a VRS call ASAP, just dial 911 and then tell the interpreter you misdialed but since you have them now just dial this other number.
With other VRS, they have their system set up so you get an interpreter right away WITHOUT dialing 911 to "get ahead" of everyone else.
You still have to interact with a VRS interpreter, and the VRS interpreter has to make 2 calls. That's a LOT of time to waste. The industry wants ONE call and that one call to be locatable. Sorenson is trying to force their solution out so that they don't have to go to the trouble of making their VPs compatible with the solution that I'm talking about. They're trying to create "buzz" that they are 911 compatible when they're really not, they just happen to say if you want to get a VRS call right away just dial 911.
When they have a way to make one call and have the VP person not say anything at all to get emergency services to where they are, THEN I'll applaud them.
Their system will entail that YOU CALL VRS, you get to the front of their 5 minute wait system. So, if you want to make a VRS call ASAP, just dial 911 and then tell the interpreter you misdialed but since you have them now just dial this other number.
With other VRS, they have their system set up so you get an interpreter right away WITHOUT dialing 911 to "get ahead" of everyone else.
You still have to interact with a VRS interpreter, and the VRS interpreter has to make 2 calls. That's a LOT of time to waste. The industry wants ONE call and that one call to be locatable. Sorenson is trying to force their solution out so that they don't have to go to the trouble of making their VPs compatible with the solution that I'm talking about. They're trying to create "buzz" that they are 911 compatible when they're really not, they just happen to say if you want to get a VRS call right away just dial 911.
When they have a way to make one call and have the VP person not say anything at all to get emergency services to where they are, THEN I'll applaud them.
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I'm behind you with this! I would applaude if anyone come up with simplicity, and quick service without any unnecessary delay involved. I don't care who would accomplish this. If it would Sorenson, I clap my hands, If it would be HOVRS, then I'd clap too, I don't care whoever comes up. But SOME DAY... SOME DAY... there will be one! Perhaps independent VRS dedicated for 911 calls only, who knows? So, I think we all need is really a dedicated E-VRS.Dennis said:
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diehardbiker65 said:
Then, we need to figure out about
WHO is responsible to resolve this
Deaf Communications EMERGENCY ?
FCC ? FEMA ? etc ?
IF someone says FCC, then get the
specific name of person in FCC who
is responsible for this ????
FCC is way too general. We need to
get the exact name of person in FCC
who probably got paid with very high
salary to do it rather than
let him/her get away without ever
doing anything about it at all.
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The FCC is asking for your input. See here:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-57A1.pdf
On page 26 and 27 of the PDF, (numbers 79-85) they are asking for anyone and everyone to go here and input as much information as you can about your thoughts on 911 for VRS, universal telephone numbers for VRS, protocols, and all that jazz. To submit your comments (AND BE SPECIFIC AS POSSIBLE!) go to here:
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload/ and click on:
Telecommunications Relay Service (TRS) - Docket 03-123
Comments on Telecommunications Relay Services (TRS) issues
and remember to be specific about your concerns and as detailed as possible. It also helps to write in clear English as the people reading them don't understand deaf grammar very well. Don't write something like, "I want VRS interop pls thank u" write something like,
"In reference to DECLARATORY RULING AND FURTHER NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING submitted on May 3, 2006 about Relay VRS, I would like to say that VRS interoperability should be done by doing blah blah blah, and 911 emergency calls should go like I call a VRS and I get a 911 operator on the line in 10 seconds who knows exactly where I am and can send help immediately."
The more detail you provide, the easier it will be for the FCC to decide that this is what you really want instead of Sorenson's lame "you get bumped to the front of the queue and we make 2 calls and don't know where you are"
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-57A1.pdf
On page 26 and 27 of the PDF, (numbers 79-85) they are asking for anyone and everyone to go here and input as much information as you can about your thoughts on 911 for VRS, universal telephone numbers for VRS, protocols, and all that jazz. To submit your comments (AND BE SPECIFIC AS POSSIBLE!) go to here:
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/ecfs/Upload/ and click on:
Telecommunications Relay Service (TRS) - Docket 03-123
Comments on Telecommunications Relay Services (TRS) issues
and remember to be specific about your concerns and as detailed as possible. It also helps to write in clear English as the people reading them don't understand deaf grammar very well. Don't write something like, "I want VRS interop pls thank u" write something like,
"In reference to DECLARATORY RULING AND FURTHER NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING submitted on May 3, 2006 about Relay VRS, I would like to say that VRS interoperability should be done by doing blah blah blah, and 911 emergency calls should go like I call a VRS and I get a 911 operator on the line in 10 seconds who knows exactly where I am and can send help immediately."
The more detail you provide, the easier it will be for the FCC to decide that this is what you really want instead of Sorenson's lame "you get bumped to the front of the queue and we make 2 calls and don't know where you are"
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Dennis,
Why do you talk about things that you don't know about? The VRS interpreter at Sorenson only makes ONE call.
We're not saying that Sorenons solution is better than calling from a landline. Consider the following, though.
Typing on a tty and turn-taking (GA GA GA) eats up a lot of time. Using ASL on a VP is undeniably faster than turn-taking on TTY.
Another thing to remember...the emergency doesn't ALWAYS happen AT the VP user's address. So dispatching police and/or EMT to the address automatically might waste time.
Also...I have worked with a local 911 center to make sure their TTY response was up-to-speed. You should know that if someone calls 911 and doesn't say anything, they do not dispatch police there right away. It can take up to an hour for someone to arrive. However, if a deafie called 911 through Sorenson and relayed information about the location and nature of the emergency, if it is a TRUE emergency (as determined by the deafie's local PSAP) then someone would be dispatched much quicker.
Again...Sorenson 911 services aren't the best if the VP user is unconscious, but is very fast. Faster than any of their competition.
Also Sorenson RARELY has 5 minute wait time. AND Sorenson doesn't record 911 calls, or any other call for that matter.
Why do you talk about things that you don't know about? The VRS interpreter at Sorenson only makes ONE call.
We're not saying that Sorenons solution is better than calling from a landline. Consider the following, though.
Typing on a tty and turn-taking (GA GA GA) eats up a lot of time. Using ASL on a VP is undeniably faster than turn-taking on TTY.
Another thing to remember...the emergency doesn't ALWAYS happen AT the VP user's address. So dispatching police and/or EMT to the address automatically might waste time.
Also...I have worked with a local 911 center to make sure their TTY response was up-to-speed. You should know that if someone calls 911 and doesn't say anything, they do not dispatch police there right away. It can take up to an hour for someone to arrive. However, if a deafie called 911 through Sorenson and relayed information about the location and nature of the emergency, if it is a TRUE emergency (as determined by the deafie's local PSAP) then someone would be dispatched much quicker.
Again...Sorenson 911 services aren't the best if the VP user is unconscious, but is very fast. Faster than any of their competition.
Also Sorenson RARELY has 5 minute wait time. AND Sorenson doesn't record 911 calls, or any other call for that matter.
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HoHGuyOhio said:Dennis,
Why do you talk about things that you don't know about? The VRS interpreter at Sorenson only makes ONE call.
We're not saying that Sorenons solution is better than calling from a landline. Consider the following, though.
Typing on a tty and turn-taking (GA GA GA) eats up a lot of time. Using ASL on a VP is undeniably faster than turn-taking on TTY.
Another thing to remember...the emergency doesn't ALWAYS happen AT the VP user's address. So dispatching police and/or EMT to the address automatically might waste time.
Also...I have worked with a local 911 center to make sure their TTY response was up-to-speed. You should know that if someone calls 911 and doesn't say anything, they do not dispatch police there right away. It can take up to an hour for someone to arrive. However, if a deafie called 911 through Sorenson and relayed information about the location and nature of the emergency, if it is a TRUE emergency (as determined by the deafie's local PSAP) then someone would be dispatched much quicker.
Again...Sorenson 911 services aren't the best if the VP user is unconscious, but is very fast. Faster than any of their competition.
Also Sorenson RARELY has 5 minute wait time. AND Sorenson doesn't record 911 calls, or any other call for that matter.
HoHGuyOhio,
Apparently, you work for Sorenson. Right?
I am sure that in future FCC will enforce Sorenson to provide the 911 records only since the enforcement agencies would like to watch the tape between VRS terp and caller that would make their job easier. It is the perfect tool for the murdered victims. Believe me that it will happen.
I also dialed 911 via the landline. 911 dispatching operator answered in 30 seconds which is faster than turning on the switches of TV, VP, and cable modem. Maybe it may take longer to search the VP remote control....
Where did you get info? Did you test recently?
Please show me your proof. All you have to do is to record via your digital camcorder and show AllDeaf people to dial 911 on your TDD via the landline. I think you are trying to scare Deafies/HHs/CIs and force them to use the VP....
On the other hand, there may be ver busy at the 911 center depending on location. I think local 911 center would accept 911 callers priorty. The second calls from Sorenson 911 callers may be not priorty since they use exact phone number instead of 911 directly to the right location. Correct me if my theory may be wrong. 911 is way faster than Sorenson 911. Believe me...
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Y said:
whew, you need lot education in relay field. it not ONE person responsbile for the whole thing.
go to this link on press release