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Hear Again said:
So would I. I voted for Hillary back in February and I'd do it again in 2012.
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sorry. not me. I don't like her at all.
 
I think Hilary Clinton is getting too old to successfully run, and Palin will have a really hard job gaining enough credibility in time if she really wants to run.:hmm:
 
If Colin Powell going to run for the President of the USA in 2012, I'd vote for him.
 
Bottesini said:
I think Hilary Clinton is getting too old to successfully run, and Palin will have a really hard job gaining enough credibility in time if she really wants to run.:hmm:
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Hillary ran a pretty good campaign earlier this year IMO -- although I don't know why she suddenly lost her lead in the polls. I wonder if it had anything to do with the poor way she spent her campaign funds.
 
Hear Again said:
True, but the material Palin provided was much funnier to parody than Biden's.

G*d, I'm going to miss Tina Fey... :lol:
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I thought Biden provided some fun material. For instance...
- "The next president of the United States, Barack America!"
- Asking a wheelchair-bound man to stand up.
- Talking about FDR getting on TV after the 1929 stock market crash, which happened before FDR was president or TV was around.

And my personal favorite, although it goes all the way back to 1988. Biden was asked where he went to law school and how he placed. His response: "I think I probably have a much higher IQ than you do!" Then he went on to lie about his educational credentials.

This is hardly a comprehensive list over the years or even during this campaign. There's no shortage of material there for SNL.
 
darkdog said:
I thought Biden provided some fun material. For instance...
- "The next president of the United States, Barack America!"
- Asking a wheelchair-bound man to stand up.
- Talking about FDR getting on TV after the 1929 stock market crash, which happened before FDR was president or TV was around.

And my personal favorite, although it goes all the way back to 1988. Biden was asked where he went to law school and how he placed. His response: "I think I probably have a much higher IQ than you do!" Then he went on to lie about his educational credentials.

This is hardly a comprehensive list over the years or even during this campaign. There's no shortage of material there for SNL.
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And conversely, here are some of Palin's gaffes:

* Palin thought that the state of New Hampshire was in the "Great Northwest."

* Palin didn't know that Africa is a continent.

* Palin didn't know the responsibilities of the position she was seeking election for.

* Palin was unable to name a single supreme court case during an interview with Katie Couric in which she (Katie Couric) specifically asked her *not* to refer to Roe vs. Wade. What court case did Palin talk about? Roe vs. Wade. :roll:(Why she didn't mention the famous case that took place in Alaska completely escapes me.)

* Palin said that she had experience with foreign relations because she could see Russia from her back door. (WTF?)

* Palin didn't know what the Bush doctrine was.

* Days after McCain criticized Obama for announcing that he would strike terrorist targets in Pakistan, Palin told a customer in a Philadelphia restaurant the very same thing: "If that's what we have to do to stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should."

* Palin claimed that she was against the Bridge to Nowhere even though she actually supported it.

* Palin said that mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers" and that a McCain/Palin Administration "will make them smaller and smarter and more effective for homeowners who need help" yet when she made that comment, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not receiving any taxpayer money. The next day the Bush Administration announced they were taking over the failing companies to help prevent a financial meltdown.

That's all I have to say about this topic. I'm ready to focus on Obama and the new changes he has in store for America.
 
I'm not denying that she made some SNL-worthy gaffes. All the candidates did (57 states, anyone?). I'm just pointing out that Joe Biden made his share of gaffes too, at least until he stopped talking to the press sometime around mid-September (although there were a few nuggets after that, too). Palin's gaffes just seem to get a lot more attention.

I can't approve of everything she or anyone said, but I think some things have been distorted by the press. Here are some examples.

* Palin didn't know that Africa is a continent.
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This one came from an unidentified source. It sounds very dubious and she denied it. Sounds like a he said, she said thing, but we don't even know who the he was.

* Palin didn't know the responsibilities of the position she was seeking election for.
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It seems to me that she was right. She said the vice president's in charge of the senate. Article 1 section 3 of the constitution says the vice president is the president of the senate. President of the senate- that sounds like she would be in charge to me. Interestingly, when Biden criticized her for this in the debate, he said the executive branch's authority is laid out in article 1 of the constitution. It's actually article 2. Chalk that up to another Biden gaffe. It's not a minor one considering he was a constitutional law professor.

* Palin didn't know what the Bush doctrine was.
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She asked Charlie Gibson "In what respect?" and she was right to do so. There have been several definitions over the years. This article in the Washington Post lists out four different definitions over the years, and Gibson didn't even use the latest and most common one. Charles Krauthammer - Charlie Gibson's Gaffe - washingtonpost.com

* Palin said that mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers" and that a McCain/Palin Administration "will make them smaller and smarter and more effective for homeowners who need help" yet when she made that comment, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not receiving any taxpayer money. The next day the Bush Administration announced they were taking over the failing companies to help prevent a financial meltdown.
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They were government sponsored enterprises (GSEs) with an implicit understanding that the government would bail them out because they were "too big to fail". Essentially, it was "profit-side capitalism and loss-side socialism" as it's been called. So she was right.
 
darkdog said:
I'm not denying that she made some SNL-worthy gaffes. All the candidates did (57 states, anyone?). I'm just pointing out that Joe Biden made his share of gaffes too, at least until he stopped talking to the press sometime around mid-September (although there were a few nuggets after that, too). Palin's gaffes just seem to get a lot more attention.

Where did you get the idea that Biden stopped talking to the press since mid-Semptember? I've been watching CNN, MSNBC and Fox News regularly and saw several interviews with Biden from September until election day.

I can't approve of everything she or anyone said, but I think some things have been distorted by the press. Here are some examples.


This one came from an unidentified source. It sounds very dubious and she denied it. Sounds like a he said, she said thing, but we don't even know who the he was.

It doesn't matter who "he" is. A gaffe is a gaffe is a gaffe. And given Palin's poor geographical knowledge, it comes as no surprise that she wouldn't know that Africa was a continent.

It seems to me that she was right. She said the vice president's in charge of the senate. Article 1 section 3 of the constitution says the vice president is the president of the senate. President of the senate- that sounds like she would be in charge to me. Interestingly, when Biden criticized her for this in the debate, he said the executive branch's authority is laid out in article 1 of the constitution. It's actually article 2. Chalk that up to another Biden gaffe. It's not a minor one considering he was a constitutional law professor.


In an interview with CNBC in July -- before she was the Republican Vice Presidential nominee -- Palin criticized the No. 2 slot implying it was "fruitless and useless."

Quoting Palin: "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an Administration" she said.

Continuing Palin's quote: "We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we're trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question."

Palin sounds rather dubious and clueless about the position to me.

She asked Charlie Gibson "In what respect?" and she was right to do so. There have been several definitions over the years. This article in the Washington Post lists out four different definitions over the years, and Gibson didn't even use the latest and most common one. Charles Krauthammer - Charlie Gibson's Gaffe - washingtonpost.com

Just because there are several definitions of the Bush doctrine and Gibson used an older, out-of-date definition doesn't excuse Palin from not knowing at least *one* of them.
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netrox said:
"Sixty-four percent of GOP respondents said that Palin would be their top choice in 2012"

Think Progress » Poll: 64 percent of Republicans want Palin to run for president in 2012.

LOL! Good luck! The majority of Americans apparently did NOT think she's qualified to be the president and remember, there are MORE Democrats than Republicans. So, do the math and you'll find that it's a bad bet.
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Why the difference between then and now? Does it have to do with the fact that Palin would have more experience under her belt if she ran in 2012? Why would a majority of Republicans support Palin in 2012, but not in 2008? That doesn't make sense to me.
 
Hear Again said:
Why the difference between then and now? Does it have to do with the fact that Palin would have more experience under her belt if she ran in 2012? Why would a majority of Republicans support Palin in 2012, but not in 2008? That doesn't make sense to me.
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Oh, the majority of Republicans do like Palin because they think Palin is a role model... never mind that she's a bimbo and truly a bad role model for American families.
 
netrox said:
Oh, the majority of Republicans do like Palin because they think Palin is a role model... never mind that she's a bimbo and truly a bad role model for American families.
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True... :laugh2:
 
Hear Again said:
Where did you get the idea that Biden stopped talking to the press since mid-Semptember? I've been watching CNN, MSNBC and Fox News regularly and saw several interviews with Biden from September until election day.
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I was flying off memory on that one and got it a little wrong. He stopped talking to his press corps, giving press conferences, and taking questions at events. He was still doing interviews with newspapers and TV networks though, so you're right about that. Here's what I was referring to. Biden's Traveling Press Corps Finds Little Opportunity To Ask Him Questions - From The Road

Hear Again said:
It doesn't matter who "he" is. A gaffe is a gaffe is a gaffe. And given Palin's poor geographical knowledge, it comes as no surprise that she wouldn't know that Africa was a continent.
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She said that New Hampshire was in the northwest instead of the northeast, so therefore it must be true? Barack Obama thought he had been to 57 states and he thought Arkansas was closer to Kentucky than Illinois even though Illinois borders it and Arkansas doesn't. That doesn't prove anything about his knowledge of geography. He goofed up. I can give him the benefit of the doubt on that. The same goes to Sarah Palin.

If this rumor is true, then yes, she shouldn't come close to the White House. But I don't trust anonymous unsubstantiated rumors that are this outlandish until there's more evidence.

Hear Again said:
Quoting Palin: "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I'm used to being very productive and working real hard in an Administration" she said.
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I thought you were talking about her telling the 3rd grader that the VP's in charge of the senate. Anyway, this answer didn't bother me. It seems to me that she was more worried about getting bored or not having a lot to work on. Just because she doesn't know the everyday details of what a vice president does doesn't mean she doesn't understand the overall role.

Hear Again said:
Just because there are several definitions of the Bush doctrine and Gibson used an older, out-of-date definition doesn't excuse Palin from not knowing at least *one* of them.
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"Bush's worldview" seems like a reasonable answer given the ever-changing definition and vague question. It's difficult to tell exactly how much she knew about it, but at the very least, she knew it had a number a meanings ("which aspect?") and it could be a general umbrella term of Bush's view on foreign policy matters.
 
netrox said:
Oh, the majority of Republicans do like Palin because they think Palin is a role model... never mind that she's a bimbo and truly a bad role model for American families.
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im not gonna be one bit shocked if you have a Sarah Palin voodoo doll at your disposal. Youre probaly disappointed McCain didnt win, and you gotta be begging for her to return the polictical scene like--PRONTO since you get off solely on ragging on the bitch each and everyday. Am i correct? I mean the elections over, she didnt win, who gives a fuck, seriously?
 
darkdog said:
I was flying off memory on that one and got it a little wrong. He stopped talking to his press corps, giving press conferences, and taking questions at events. He was still doing interviews with newspapers and TV networks though, so you're right about that. Here's what I was referring to. Biden's Traveling Press Corps Finds Little Opportunity To Ask Him Questions - From The Road

Biden not giving press conferences is no different than Palin's campaign advisors shielding her from the press. If I remember correctly, the *only* interviews Palin did were those for Katie Couric, Charlie Gibson and Sean Hannity. Three interviews during the entire 3 month period she served as our Vice-Presidential candidate.

She said that New Hampshire was in the northwest instead of the northeast, so therefore it must be true? Barack Obama thought he had been to 57 states and he thought Arkansas was closer to Kentucky than Illinois even though Illinois borders it and Arkansas doesn't. That doesn't prove anything about his knowledge of geography. He goofed up. I can give him the benefit of the doubt on that. The same goes to Sarah Palin.

If you want proof that Palin said New Hampshire was in the "Great Northwest," do a search on YouTube and I have no doubt you'll find the evidence. (Otherwise if you like, I would be happy to do this for you.) Barack Obama is Harvard educated (being one of the first -- if not the first -- African-Americans to attend Harvard) while Sarah Palin attended 5 different colleges. As for Sarah, she doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

If this rumor is true, then yes, she shouldn't come close to the White House. But I don't trust anonymous unsubstantiated rumors that are this outlandish until there's more evidence.

Outlandish to you only because you are a Palin supporter.

I thought you were talking about her telling the 3rd grader that the VP's in charge of the senate. Anyway, this answer didn't bother me. It seems to me that she was more worried about getting bored or not having a lot to work on. Just because she doesn't know the everyday details of what a vice president does doesn't mean she doesn't understand the overall role.

Palin was worried about getting bored or not having a lot to work on? That just goes to show how little she actually knows about the position of Vice-President. Vice-Presidents don't just sit on their a***s doing nothing all day -- not even Cheney. If Palin wants to run for the Vice-Presidency, it is her responsibility to know the duties of the office she is seeking election for.

"Bush's worldview" seems like a reasonable answer given the ever-changing definition and vague question. It's difficult to tell exactly how much she knew about it, but at the very least, she knew it had a number a meanings ("which aspect?") and it could be a general umbrella term of Bush's view on foreign policy matters.

"Bush's worldview" seems like a copout answer to me. Palin was asked to *define* the Bush doctrine. If she knew what it was, then she wouldn't have had to ask Gibson "which aspect?" Since the Bush doctrine represents Bush's view on foreign policy, why couldn't have Palin stated that instead of looking like a fool?
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dead money said:
im not gonna be one bit shocked if you have a Sarah Palin voodoo doll at your disposal. Youre probaly disappointed McCain didnt win, and you gotta be begging for her to return the polictical scene like--PRONTO since you get off solely on ragging on the bitch each and everyday. Am i correct? I mean the elections over, she didnt win, who gives a fuck, seriously?
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Disappointed McCain didn't win? Dream on, my friend. (pun intended)

Obviously, the media *does* care that Palin lost the election since many people are still talking about her. For instance, today she gave an interview blasting the media for the "unfair" way they treated her during the campaign. She also spouted off something about being a dictator which made absolutely no sense, but given the fact this is Palin we're talking about, that comes as no surprise.
 
Sarah Palin?? Nah I didnt see her future in her running U.S president for 2012 without my own doubts
 
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