Is share the story from magazines or local newspapers with anyone or to Forum legal?

[Liebling:-)))]

Is share the story from magazines or local newspapers with anyone or to in any Forum legal?


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I respectfully disagree that ADer's thread is a plagiarism because she did said in her first thread... "I read a true story I got in my monthly mag about women's health and relationships stories. I read a good story I got about a woman whom was deny a rape kit and it was so sad. Here the story.."


It's understandable and agree that it's plagiarism if you steal someone's work, information or idea from websites and claim that it's your own idea but ADer doesn't. She DID said that she learn those story from her monthly magazine.

If I buy a weekly magazine or newspapers which mean is my property, not copyright/plagiarism and allow to share their stories from magazines/newspaper with anyone and to the public which is good educational for all of you and also help you to understand and how protect yourself.

I want to share those story what I know from read weekly magazine with you all but I can't because I would expect you to demand the source to prove it to belittle me.

To belittle ADer - "Proof?" "Where's source?" "Prove it please" sound harsh and would make ADer feel little and low. I would prefer to ask them if they have any source to support their claim or where it get from if they didn't provide the link or out of their own experience. I personally don't bother to humliate them to prove me with source. IMO.

I want to share a long story about 2 Panda bears who were being murder in Zoo from local newspaper at 2 weeks ago. I don't have any English websites to prove you here. Would you demand the source if I tell you the story about 2 Panda bears what I know from local newspaper and radio, I got from my both sons without provide the links?

I personally do not agree if I want share the story what I know from magazine or newspaper is a plagiarism. I would agree it's plagiarism if you paste someone's post/story from other websites over here without credit their name or source and do if it's your idea.


Is it illegal or legal to share the information from magazine or local newspaper when there're no websites in internet?

 

[Bear]

Liebling,

In answer to your question, UNLESS the article states that it may be used for postings or whatever, then technically by posting it elsewhere is plagarism.

Here is an example, of what you are supposed to do to gain permission to post it elsewhere or to distribute that one story.

Answer

This link here states ANY UNAUTHORIZED use of their stories is strictly prohibited. This would entail posting their stories to a website, or email, without asking permission first.

To use a story without getting permission, UNLESS it is stated that you may do so is the same thing as stealing. You are reading something, you did otherwise pay for.

Hope this helps.

Also posting stories without a link to the source is also considered plagarism. Simply because you are not giving CREDIT to the original writer of the story. Its like you are passing it off as your own.

 

[Cheri]

I'm with bear, If it's from a magazine, still would have to named the magazine. It's a law a person must give the copyright holder credited for the work that the copyright holder had done, even if it's from a magazine, it has to be said what magazine and the name of the author if possible.

I don't understand why a member always complain if we asked for sources. I have no problem with anyone sharing the story, but a source needs to be provide. Like if I'm talking about a story that was on TV, I would named a show, or a movie. That's a source.

I tried to tell this member about how she copy and pasted every word by word on her entire post and did not cited a source where she got that information from, Here on this thread She got angry with me.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, you are correct that we should name which magazines and newspaper when it doesn´t go in websites.

I check with my friends and co-workers today about this.

Few of them get my attention and check my weekly magazine (German)... Ahhh...

Those sad or happy stories, they made in weekly magazine without use their real names which mean that I am allow to share their experience to help anyone and then name which magazine or newspaper.

As you said that I should provide the link to support my claim... Like what I said about Panda bears in my previous posts... Okay here is German link because we don´t have English websites for you to read.

Here is link of Panda bears murder, then you can read those link yourself because you want source, not my word.

: Fahndungserfolg: Panda-Mord: Es waren die Nachbarn | ZEIT online

 

[Cheri]

Liebling))

You can translate us in English if you want, I have no problem with that. I'm not gonna opposed.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Bear, I appreciate very much for information about copyrights, you give out here, but I quote part of your post to ask you one more question. I hope you don´t mind... I don´t mean you but anyone as well...

Also posting stories without a link to the source is also considered plagarism. Simply because you are not giving CREDIT to the original writer of the story. Its like you are passing it off as your own.

plagarism

Definition:

1. stealing somebody's work or idea: the process of copying another person's idea or written work and claiming it as original


2. something plagiarized: a piece of written work or an idea that somebody has copied and claimed as his or her own.

plagiarism definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta

ADer did said that it´s not her own idea but share what she read from her monthly magazine. I check with my friends and co-workers today and agree that it´s not plagarism.

Do I have to provide source if I want to share recipes, tips, budgets, health foods, etc. from weekly magazine with anyone? I often collect cookery recipes, tips, etc from magazines. My friends said mmmhhh good one... want to have my recipes. I gave them cookery recipe without say where it come from... because they don´t bother to demand me to prove them where I get recipes from. All what they are happy... and also like to hear positive something... They did asked me where it come from... All what I say is: I read from weekly magazine... They beleive me instead of ask me to prove them with magazine. It shows that they do not doubt my word. *shrug*

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I tried to tell this member about how she copy and pasted every word by word on her entire post and did not cited a source where she got that information from, Here on this thread She got angry with me.

I didn´t see those lock thread until you provided this link for a first time today.

Unfortunlately I has to agree that it´s plagarism but it´s not just her but other ADers as well. I have seen them paste and copy stuff from websites over here. I choose to not say anything.

I was at google and saw by coincidence at few weeks ago that someone pasted my post over their websites without credit my name or ask me permission. What should I say? Nothing...

 

[Cheri]

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I was at google and saw by coincidence at few weeks ago that someone pasted my post over their websites without credit my name or ask me permission. What should I say? Nothing...

Did not even say the name of the website "AllDeaf" either?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Did not even say the name of the website "AllDeaf" either?

Unfortunlately yes, they change some bit in my post without ask me permission. I didn´t notice that they credit "AllDeaf". Let me search to find which websites and will check either they DID credit or not but all what I see is they add and change my words in my posts. It look like that it´s their own idea.


I was like

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Give me time to search the website where they pasted and change some of my post over their websites. I can´t remember the word I typed when I was at google... If I find then provide the link here.

 

[Bear]

Bear, I appreciate very much for information about copyrights, you give out here, but I quote part of your post to ask you one more question. I hope you don´t mind... I don´t mean you but anyone as well...





ADer did said that it´s not her own idea but share what she read from her monthly magazine. I check with my friends and co-workers today and agree that it´s not plagarism.

Do I have to provide source if I want to share recipes, tips, budgets, health foods, etc. from weekly magazine with anyone? I often collect cookery recipes, tips, etc from magazines. My friends said mmmhhh good one... want to have my recipes. I gave them cookery recipe without say where it come from... because they don´t bother to demand me to prove them where I get recipes from. All what they are happy... and also like to hear positive something... They did asked me where it come from... All what I say is: I read from weekly magazine... They beleive me instead of ask me to prove them with magazine. It shows that they do not doubt my word. *shrug*

Liebling,

I would say that if you are sharing recipes as long as it is not 100% the same as the recipe in the book then no.

With recipes it is harder to determine whether if youa re usuing your own or not. Simply because, no matter what the meal is, someone somewhere else has probably thought of it and made it into a book or recipe website. Same with household hints and tips. They are very hard to prove that they are not your own, even if someone else has already printed it.


I would say all that you asked about above would be fine without a source as long as they are 100% your own.

As for magazines and newpapers, while yes you may pay for them, the stories still do not belong to you BUT to the persont that wrote them.

There are COPYRIGHT laws to adhere to. Only the OWNER of the ORIGINAL work may give permission to post their stories elsewhere as said in the link above.

Hope that helps

 

[GarnetTigerMom]

I didn´t see those lock thread until you provided this link for a first time today.

Unfortunlately I has to agree that it´s plagarism but it´s not just her but other ADers as well. I have seen them paste and copy stuff from websites over here. I choose to not say anything.

I was at google and saw by coincidence at few weeks ago that someone pasted my post over their websites without credit my name or ask me permission. What should I say? Nothing...

Yes, I have to agree with everything you said. I do agree I am not the only person on this site post informations. I have seen others people do it too and seems like she blame me as the only person on this site and she think I am angery with her, for which I am not. It obviously she don't get it.

 

[GarnetTigerMom]

I'm with bear, If it's from a magazine, still would have to named the magazine. It's a law a person must give the copyright holder credited for the work that the copyright holder had done, even if it's from a magazine, it has to be said what magazine and the name of the author if possible.

I don't understand why a member always complain if we asked for sources. I have no problem with anyone sharing the story, but a source needs to be provide. Like if I'm talking about a story that was on TV, I would named a show, or a movie. That's a source.

I tried to tell this member about how she copy and pasted every word by word on her entire post and did not cited a source where she got that information from, Here on this thread She got angry with me.

Actally here the rules that did not say "must required link or sources"
so can you tell me where you see it in the rules?


Here are the basic ground rules that will be enforced on the Forum. First of all, the Administrator and Moderators reserve the right to remove, edit or move posts without explanation. If you have any questions, please contact me at webmaster@alldeaf.com

1.) Members are not allowed to make posts that are discriminating, racist, threatening, hateful, or include links to pornography or warez.

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9.) No bashing, flaming or harassing other members. Period.

10.) No enticing or provoking other members to cause them to get into trouble.

11.) Absolutely no copying and pasting private messages from AllDeaf on here or another site unless permission was granted by the other party.

Even though we support freedom of speech, show some respect, use common sense, and keep an open mind when participating in discussions.

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*** I sure don't see that here.. do you? ***

 

[Cheri]

Yes, I have to agree with everything you said. I do agree I am not the only person on this site post informations. I have seen others people do it too and seems like she blame me as the only person on this site and she think I am angery with her, for which I am not. It obviously she don't get it.

I'm not here to start an argument, I am not only picking on you, I had noticed you've done it, and I tried to point out the mistake to you, but you refused to even cooperate. I haven't noticed others are doing the same, I might have missed it, but the point is, I've done the same as you did before, and I was caught, believe me Reba would clarity it. I understood the copyright law, and respected it. I don't see how you cannot respect their original works. It doesn't matter if it wasn't represent to the rules of AD, If you typed their original work on AD, and it's someone else’s original work, It's still stealing, It will determining that you wrote it because you did not provide document (a source), it doesn't matter if you did not write "wrote by GarentTigerMom" It's still the same, it's stealing copyrighter's original work.

 

[Tousi]

Yup, Internet protocol is higher than the AD rules. I think AD assumed we all know these rules but it looks like Alex might want to clear the air here regarding this issue.

 

[Banjo]

If the article cannot be read online, just post a portion of the article and cite the source. A few sentences or a paragraph at the most. It is illegal to republish a full article without permission.

Or a summary of the article and then cite the source.

 

[Sunshine1]

If this going to be only part of it then you might need to leave footnotes where you got it from. Don't you agree too? If you take a look at Wiki websites, you'll notice alot of footnotes there on the bottom.

If the article cannot be read online, just post a portion of the article and cite the source. A few sentences or a paragraph at the most. It is illegal to republish a full article without permission.

Or a summary of the article and then cite the source.

 

[LinuxGold]

Actally here the rules that did not say "must required link or sources"
so can you tell me where you see it in the rules?


Here are the basic ground rules that will be enforced on the Forum. First of all, the Administrator and Moderators reserve the right to remove, edit or move posts without explanation. If you have any questions, please contact me at webmaster@alldeaf.com

1.) Members are not allowed to make posts that are discriminating, racist, threatening, hateful, or include links to pornography or warez.

2.) NO SPAMMING. Members may not use the forums (PM, signature, etc.) to solicit users for private, public or commercial gain. This also includes advertising other forums of the same nature.

3.) NO TROLLING. A troll is someone who provokes members into flaming discussions by posting outrageous messages, and usually ends with name callings and flame wars.

4.) Members using images as signatures and/or avatars are to use JPG or GIF format only. Only 1 image is allowed per signature, and must be 50KB or less in file size.

5.) Members are not to have multiple accounts, only one account per person is allowed. If you want to change your username, please send a request via PM.

6.) Members are not to request for removal of their accounts unless they have a very good reason. If you simply change your mind and want your account removed, I'm sorry but that's not going to happen.

7.) Members are not to make double posts. Select the correct forum and post in there once. Double posts will be removed by the moderators.

8.) Members may not scroll unnecessarily. Scrolling can refer to the following:

a.) Excessive quoting
b.) Excessive smilies, pictures
c.) Marquee images, text (scrolling horizontally)
d.) Anything that is repetitious

9.) No bashing, flaming or harassing other members. Period.

10.) No enticing or provoking other members to cause them to get into trouble.

11.) Absolutely no copying and pasting private messages from AllDeaf on here or another site unless permission was granted by the other party.

Even though we support freedom of speech, show some respect, use common sense, and keep an open mind when participating in discussions.

Finally, any abuse towards the Moderators will not be tolerated. If you disagree with any of them, please contact me via PM (Private Message) or email me at webmaster(at)alldeaf.com

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Second offense - 24 hours ban
Third offense - 48 hours ban
Fourth offense - 1 week ban
Fifth offense - 1 month ban
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*** I sure don't see that here.. do you? ***

It is not listed on the forum rules, however, with lack of common sense thereof, we *might* will have to add that to the forum rules. It is very common amongst us in the norms that plagiarism is NOT to be practiced way back in Kindergarten days. "It is wrong to copy from book, you cant do that", we also was taught to cite source back in high school days, now that is why we were TAUGHT that way as part of our common sense.

Now that you refuted us, we WILL talk about it to put it in as a new item to the Forum rule, simply because the common sense was NOT followed as expected.

 

[Bear]

If we actually wanted to we could, force members to get permission from the original article holder BEFORE posting it. By law they are supposed to do so, unless otherwise stated that they may redistribute it. See the link above that I gave? Right there says ANY article from that magazine MUST be with PERMISSION from the magazine BEFORE using it elsewhere. AD currently does not practice this. All we ask for is CREDIT given to whoever wrote the article. Is this so hard to do? Is this worth all the bickering over a SIMPLE source? You be the judge!

 

[Angel]

:nods:

I did the same thing back in 2003, I posted an article from Reader's Digest and I also citing the source/issue and credit the original author who wrote the article.

Here's my thread .