Climate Skeptics See 'Smoking Gun' in Researchers' Leaked E-Mails

Here I was watching the political news thread for this topic and was wondering why it seemed surprisingly absent. After a quick search on climategate, I found this thread. I really can't believe there's so few headlines about this when it's blowing the lid off the greatest hoax in world history.

Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation - Telegraph

and a great site for links to articles and information in climate news:
ICECAP
 
That's your MSM at work and lapdogs for Obama. It's obvious that this global warming (as caused by man) is a total sham. This is plainly obvious.
 
BTW,

"Climategate: University of East Anglia U-turn in climate change row
Leading British scientists at the University of East Anglia, who were accused of manipulating climate change data - dubbed Climategate - have agreed to publish their figures in full. This is due to David Holland who is seeking prosecutions against some of Britain's most eminent academics for allegedly holding back information in breach of disclosure laws."
Climategate: University of East Anglia U-turn in climate change row - Telegraph

Again, a total sham.
 
Oil Industry Ready to Work on Global Warming
HOUSTON — Confronted with a sharp change of priorities in Washington, international oil executives are expressing an eagerness to work with President Obama to fashion new policies to tackle global warming.

At an industry conference here this week, the executives struck a conciliatory tone on how to limit the emissions that are contributing to climate change, with many of them sounding like budding conservationists as they stressed energy efficiency and the need to develop renewable fuels.

At the same time, they declared that the country would still need oil for a long time, and sought to persuade the new administration of the need for more drilling off the nation’s coasts.

On tackling global warming, a subject that has long divided the industry, some executives said they supported a tax on carbon, while others favored a trading system like the one adopted by Europe. Almost all of them seemed reconciled to the United States’ adopting some kind of climate policy, and said they were eager to work with the new administration to devise an effective energy strategy.

“President Obama comes to office with a strong commitment to tackle climate change,” said Tony Hayward, the chief executive of BP. “Suddenly the challenges many of us have been wrestling with for a long time — the importance of energy security in providing economic security, and tackling the issue of climate change in a way that is commercially viable — are center stage.”

During his election campaign, Mr. Obama frequently criticized big oil companies, expressed skepticism about offshore drilling, and pledged to try to replace hydrocarbons with more renewable fuels. He has made energy and environmental policy a cornerstone of both his national security and economic efforts.

The executives strongly urged the administration to open up the continental shelf for offshore drilling at the very time that the interior secretary, Ken Salazar, announced that the government would review and probably scale back the Bush administration’s plan to give oil and gas drillers new rights.

Exxon Mobil, which had long been skeptical of global warming, offered its own suggestions. One of the company’s top executives, Michael J. Dolan, said that Exxon would back a tax on carbon, while criticizing a so-called cap-and-trade approach.

Under the cap-and-trade formula, which has considerable momentum in Washington, the government would set a ceiling on how much carbon dioxide could be emitted into the atmosphere each year. It would then give or sell permits that companies would be allowed to trade to meet their limit. Emitting carbon dioxide at present involves no penalties in the United States, meaning that companies have little incentive to curb their pollution.

Mr. Dolan, a senior vice president at Exxon, said that a carbon tax would be simpler and less subject to manipulation than a trading system. “A carbon tax reduces policy risks for businesses and investors in a way that cap-and-trade schemes do not,” Mr. Dolan said during his address at the industry conference, organized by Cambridge Energy Research Associates, a consulting firm.

“In addition,” he said, “by reducing other taxes — such as income or excise taxes — we can make a carbon tax revenue-neutral and offset the impact of higher taxes on the economy.”

His European counterparts, meanwhile, offered a different approach, favoring the sort of cap-and-trade system that has already taken hold in Europe.

Jeroen van der Veer, chief executive of Royal Dutch Shell, said the key was to assign a cost to carbon. “I don’t lose any sleep if the United States or anyone else gets a carbon tax,” Mr. van der Veer said. “The world is helped by pricing carbon dioxide, whichever way you do it.”

A cap-and-trade system establishes a clear environmental goal by setting an upper limit on emissions, something a carbon tax does not necessarily do, he said. Meanwhile, the possibility of trading carbon permits provides companies with an economic incentive to invest in technologies that reduce emissions. He said that a cap-and-trade system had worked well in the United States for cutting the emissions that cause acid rain.

But he added that higher fuel taxes largely explain why European vehicles are far more efficient than American ones.

“Both can work, and even coexist,” he said. “They both price CO2,” or carbon dioxide.

Daniel Yergin, the chairman of Cambridge Energy Research and the organizer of the conference, said oil companies recognized that major policy changes were coming, and that they need to be a part of the debate.

“They are not arguing about basic philosophy anymore, but about practical steps,” he said. “We’re moving into a new era of policy making that will have very important and far-reaching implications for energy markets.”
 
Very astute observation, RDmmr. It's about control. It's about finding new ways to tax people. It's about making money, too. Al Gore has a stake in this, obviously, to make alot of money from this sham scare.
 
Former astronaut speaks out on global warming
SANTA FE, N.M. - Former astronaut Harrison Schmitt, who walked on the moon and once served New Mexico in the U.S. Senate, doesn’t believe that humans are causing global warming.

"I don’t think the human effect is significant compared to the natural effect," said Schmitt, who is among 70 skeptics scheduled to speak next month at the International Conference on Climate Change in New York.

that pretty much backed my stance in old thread. Global Warming is real yes but Global Warming is NOT CAUSED by men.
 
Very astute observation, RDmmr. It's about control. It's about finding new ways to tax people. It's about making money, too. Al Gore has a stake in this, obviously, to make alot of money from this sham scare.
The program that provides the funding is already there. That is what these bozo's are taking advantage of. The govt has plenty of ways to tax the people.
 
And yet we get people in their most overly simplistic view about global warming and cooling thinking atmospheric CO2 levels act like a thermostat, raising and lowering the world's temperature as though turning a knob. Earth's response to climate change is not exactly a closed system but respond from a multitude of events such as change in sun's energy output, sun's magnetic field influencing incoming cosmic rays, the orbital path of Earth, the precision spin of Earth's axis or wobble, the Earth's angle at the axis point, and so on, amount of cloud formations, volcanic events, deep cycling of ocean's current and temperature changes and so forth. It's not that simple folks.
 
And yet we get people in their most overly simplistic view about global warming and cooling thinking atmospheric CO2 levels act like a thermostat, raising and lowering the world's temperature as though turning a knob. Earth's response to climate change is not exactly a closed system but respond from a multitude of events such as change in sun's energy output, sun's magnetic field influencing incoming cosmic rays, the orbital path of Earth, the precision spin of Earth's axis or wobble, the Earth's angle at the axis point, and so on, amount of cloud formations, volcanic events, deep cycling of ocean's current and temperature changes and so forth. It's not that simple folks.

I don't believe at all that CO2 acts as a knob for a thermostat. No scientist would say such a thing. Again, you're ignoring that they BELIEVE that one of the main factors for THIS particular global warming is the CO2 produced by humans although many scientists believe that this particular warming has to be anthropogenic and not one of the nature's warming period because they argue that the globe is warming just too fast and seemed to jibe with increased production of pollution. Could it be just coindience? Maybe but they've teased out a lot and found that it has to be CO2 as one of the main factors.

There are other factors involved and they know it but they're pretty sure it's the CO2 as ONE.. not just one factor but ONE of the factors. You are the one that keeps promoting the simplistic theory as a strawman argument.

Everyday, we're bombed with simplistic explanations for a lot of things and if we examine the explanations and the data behind them, we know it ain't that simple but it's much the simplest we could come up with.

The best part about science is that it self-corrects based on data findings and surprisingly, we have gone through several paradigm shifts with new scientific understandings. Real scientists are not dogmatic and will accept new theory if evidence demands it. In other words, if global warming turns out to be false, then I will gladly accept that the theory is incorrect and would like to hear what caused changes. I am not dogmatic about it. Chill out. :)
 
I don't believe at all that CO2 acts as a knob for a thermostat. No scientist would say such a thing.

but it's the fact. CO2 is a vital greenhouse gas. It's what keeps Earth warm as long as CO2 concentration in Earth atmosphere stays in within proper ppmv. if ppmv goes up, the heat goes up. That's the fact agreed by scientists.
 
I don't believe at all that CO2 acts as a knob for a thermostat. No scientist would say such a thing. Again, you're ignoring that they BELIEVE that one of the main factors for THIS particular global warming is the CO2 produced by humans although many scientists believe that this particular warming has to be anthropogenic and not one of the nature's warming period because they argue that the globe is warming just too fast and seemed to jibe with increased production of pollution. Could it be just coindience? Maybe but they've teased out a lot and found that it has to be CO2 as one of the main factors.

There are other factors involved and they know it but they're pretty sure it's the CO2 as ONE.. not just one factor but ONE of the factors. You are the one that keeps promoting the simplistic theory as a strawman argument.

Everyday, we're bombed with simplistic explanations for a lot of things and if we examine the explanations and the data behind them, we know it ain't that simple but it's much the simplest we could come up with.

The best part about science is that it self-corrects based on data findings and surprisingly, we have gone through several paradigm shifts with new scientific understandings. Real scientists are not dogmatic and will accept new theory if evidence demands it. In other words, if global warming turns out to be false, then I will gladly accept that the theory is incorrect and would like to hear what caused changes. I am not dogmatic about it. Chill out. :)

Warming too fast? Dude, it hasn't warmed up in over 10 years. Instead, it has cooled. They've been claiming for years that CO2 *directly* caused Earth to warm up and is the *major* source for global warming and man is to be blamed for it. Now, it's been reduced to "one of the factors"? Ever noticed why CO2 is at the top of the list to be used against the energy sector as a way to tax them? That is by default saying CO2 is the major culprit by that action alone.

Real scientists? Have you NOT been watching the news about Climategate and all the obfuscation that has been going on for years? The purposely made sure alternative articles by real scientists not get accepted into peer review journals. They have not been transparent with their data to ensure repeatability and validation efforts by other truly real scientists to see how their conclusions were arrived.

You scream the glaciers are retreating in the Himalayan mountains!!

It ain't happening.

You scream that the ice caps are melting awayyyyy!!

It ain't happening.

It cannot be man-caused since Earth has warmed and cooled on her own for thousands and millions of years. It was much warmer only several hundred years ago during the Medieval period. So, it cannot be man's doing but nature, the Earth, the Sun, and the orbiting path of Earth, cosmic rays, the sun's solar wind and so forth.
 
Same old, same old. You really need to come up with something new.
 
Warming too fast? Dude, it hasn't warmed up in over 10 years. Instead, it has cooled.

Oh really? That is definitely new to me - may I ask where the hell did you get new data suggesting that the globe is cooling for the past decade!

Seriously, where did you get that from?
 
Here they are:
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2

And the resulting graph.
glb_satellite_2009-06.gif

(graph picture of temp data from 1980 to present)


Where's the continuing upward trend since 1998? If you put a trend line since 1998 it would show a decline, not an incline. Something that global warming alarmists and the IPCC have said it would happen and that temperature would continue to climb over the next 10 years Where is it? I certainly don't see it.

If you want to generate your own graphic on temperature trend for the United States as a whole go here:

CONTIGUOUS UNITED STATES Climate Summary

Instructions.
Leave the “Data Type” field at “Mean Temperature”
Select “Annual” from the “Period” field pull down
Select “1998″ as “First Year To Display”
and click the blue “Submit” oval at the below the data entry form.

This is what you get.

ncdc-december-2008.png

(Picture of graph with trend line going down in line with U.S. average temperature for each year from 1998 to 2009)

You see, according to IPCC, the United States, along with other countries, should have collectively gone up in temperature over the last 11 years...not down. But if you complain about the short 11 years as "not enough" then remember that in 1998 James Hansen of NASA went before congress to claim that a “crisis in the making” using only about 10 years of positive upward trend data. If he can use 10 years of data to make a case, so can I.

But don't hear from me, read what Mr. Lindzen who is the professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology wrote a few days ago about all this nonsense.
Richard S. Lindzen: The Climate Science Isn't Settled - WSJ.com

Still gonna be a global warming screamer?
 
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