Does religion really matter?

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VamPyroX said:
Religion is simply a form of worship or belief that people have in a god or gods.

There's "God", "Buddha", "Allah", etc... but who is the real god?
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Just correcting your mistake, Buddha is not God in our religion of Buddhism, he's only teacher. There are no God in Buddhism.
 
Cheri said:
And why did God killed them?

The sin of Sodom:

"She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." (Ezekiel 16:49-50)
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And people still do it today. Has God killed them yet?

That's a conflict of statements. If it's true in the Bible, it would also be happening today. If it's not happening today, then what happened in the Bible was probably made up.
 
Reba, I think you still not get it. I guess you twist it.

Reba said:
Either you accept the entire Bible is true, or you don't accept the Bible as the Word of God. It can't be both ways.
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If you ask me about scripture in the bible. My answer: Yes I accept scriptures in the bible is true.

I doubt the Bible as the Word of God because the different religion bibicial authors interpreted differently after finish with translation. They often change and correct their translation/interpretation.

If you accept as true the "negative" parts of the Bible, then you must also accept the "positive" parts of the Bible.
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Yes, I accept all the bible story (history) as the true because they interpreted the history same.

If you accept the parts as true about God's judgment, then you must accept the parts as true about God's grace.
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If you accept as true the destruction by God then you must also accept the creation by God.
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I can't answer on this question because many bibles say differently. The bible religion author interpreted differently. :dunno:

If you accept as true the "history" of the Bible then you must also accept as true the incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, and final judgment of Jesus Christ.
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Yes, I accept ALL bible as the history, no matter what because I was not born at that time. You cannot make me to accept incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, judgment, etc as true because I was not born at that time. I only accept all bible as the history when they said different about incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension, etc. I accept their focus on interpretation differently as the same as I do with focus on my theory as well. I look at scriputures and then look their different interpretation and then focus on my theory on them because I am interesting to know more about bible. Yes, I beleive Jesus was sentenced to death with crucifixion. I can't say about incarnation, resurrection, ascension and judgment.

It all fits together. :)
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No, you cannot force anyone to accept the bible as true because there're many bibles with different interpretation and anyone were not born at that time. Let them focus their theory and feeling. I accept the bible as history instead of do what the bible says. This is a difference.
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Cheri, I understand what you are trying to say. Let me to tell you why I see different as you.

At first you thought Noah Ark is one one, God destory which it's not just one what we tried to convince you about. All what you think we mocked God, etc. which is not true.




Cheri said:
God is not a murder not in my eyes, Let's not forget You and I are two different people.
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Yes, that's right. I can see and respect that we are different people who have different view about God.

You said that God is not a murder in your eyes but I see yes. Why? Because God killed innoncent children and newborns because their parents disowned God. Why children and newborns?

For an instance, You have a person who committed a crime, murdering someone and our question is why did this person murdered this person who hasn't done anything wrong. What this murder did was an act of evil.
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Exactly, children and newborns hasn't done anything wrong. Why killed them for?

God's law at the begin was that sin equal death. Sinners has offended God, God is holy he cannot have sinners in heaven. before Jesus, there was no salvation for these people. There was no solution. God only wanted to get rid of the evil disease, stops it before it grows bigger and bigger.

I did not say that, I was talking about God: Does God still kill as today?? And the answer would be "no" because Jesus paid completely for the sins of all who believe in Him.
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At OT time, yes but not at NT.

At OT time, we have to die because we worship false gods to disown God, etc. We must worship only him.

At NT time, we are free to choose anything what we like to beleive in. Jesus did not force us to beleive God but our choice.

At OT time is very cruel which is different as NT.
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XBGMER said:
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Yes exactly, I havent any religions at all. For me, I 100% agree with the whole scripture what every word has described itself. Like AV 1161 transcrpit is original words and non context out unlike NIV, NKJV on and on.

that why I read scripture and learn from scripture verse by verse interpretation itself.
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Yes, that's what I figure out. It's scripture... Yes I has to agree with you that we need to focus on scriputure because it's true scripture.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Exactly, children and newborns hasn't done anything wrong. Why killed them for?
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Yes all those children and babies are innocents now with God. If God waited until they are in their adults they would turned into like their own parents. God prefer not to. (Remember sin equal death) since the children not knowing from bad and good, they're with God.
At OT time, we have to die because we worship false gods to disown God, etc. We must worship only him.

At NT time, we are free to choose anything what we like to beleive in. Jesus did not force us to beleive God but our choice.

At OT time is very cruel which is different as NT.
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No, that's where you are wrong, I already explained that on two different times my previous posts that you quoted, You need to pay attention to every word I posted. I'll say this one more time.

In the Old Testament there was no salvation for these people, There were no solution to prevent these people from acting on evil.

In the New Testament There is a salvation. to understand Jesus, we need to understand his death. Jesus knew that He must die, because the Scriptures said so, even God says so. His death was necessary for our salvation so that we don't have to die.

Now we have to go through Jesus, If we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, we will have entirety with him.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Reba, I think you still not get it. I guess you twist it.
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I'm sorry to say that Reba did not twisted anything, You did not understand her question.

If you accepted the negatives from the bibles, You also have to accept the positive too. So, far you've been accepting only the negatives.
 
VamPyroX said:
And people still do it today. Has God killed them yet?

That's a conflict of statements. If it's true in the Bible, it would also be happening today. If it's not happening today, then what happened in the Bible was probably made up.
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The entire community, except for Lot's family, was deeply involved in that sin, and God knew that they weren't going to change. Those two cities were a corrupting influence that God had to prevent from spreading further.

There will come a time when God will destroy the entire planet in a similar manner. That time has not yet come but it will. The only reason God hasn't done that yet is because there are still people on earth today repenting and receiving the Savior Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit's presence in His people is still restraining evil. But when the Christian presence leaves, then the forces of Hell will break loose and spread. That will eventually end in total destruction of the earth with cleansing fire, and the creation of the new earth.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
If you ask me about scripture in the bible. My answer: Yes I accept scriptures in the bible is true.
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OK. The Bible Scriptures say that the every word of the Bible is true and God inspired. So if you believe the Scriptures, you believe that every word in the Bible is from God, and is true. If you don't believe that, then you don't believe the Scriptures. It's very simple and clear.

II Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Job 32
8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.


I doubt the Bible as the Word of God because the different religion bibicial authors interpreted differently after finish with translation. They often change and correct their translation/interpretation.
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So you don't believe the Scriptures.

It's very confusing because first you say you do believe the Scriptures then you say that you don't.


Yes, I accept all the bible story (history) as the true because they interpreted the history same.
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OK. If you believe Bible history is true, then you believe the Bible is all true. It's all one story.

If you don't believe the Bible is true, then you can't believe the history in it either. It's one complete story. It's either 100 percent true, or 100 percent false. It can't be both.


...Yes, I beleive Jesus was sentenced to death with crucifixion. I can't say about incarnation, resurrection, ascension and judgment.
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You can't pick and chose which parts of the Bible are true and which aren't. Either it is 100 percent true, or 100 percent false to you. It isn't even logical to say that you believe the part where Jesus was sentenced to death by crucifixion but you don't believe the rest of the story about what happened after.


No, you cannot force anyone to accept the bible as true because there're many bibles with different interpretation and anyone were not born at that time. Let them focus their theory and feeling. I accept the bible as history instead of do what the bible says. This is a difference.
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I'm not forcing anyone to accept the Bible. I'm just pointing out the logic. God said that He gave all of the Bible, and that He can't lie. If you don't believe that, then you don't believe the Bible at all. It's all one story from one divine Author who can't lie. Take it or leave it.

If you leave it, then that's your choice. No one can force you to take it.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
You said that God is not a murder in your eyes but I see yes. Why? Because God killed innoncent children and newborns because their parents disowned God. Why children and newborns?
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Murder is the unlawful killing of someone. God doesn't break His own laws. He had to destroy the spread of their sinful influence that could have destroyed even more people in future generations if they had been allowed to live.


Exactly, children and newborns hasn't done anything wrong. Why killed them for?
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God knew that if those children grew up they would become adult idolaters and sinners who would eventually die in their sins and go to hell. Instead, He mercifully took them out of that evil future into paradise instead. It's mercy of God because He is all knowing; it's not mercy of humans to do that because they don't have the same knowledge of the future and hearts that God has.


At OT time, yes but not at NT.

At OT time, we have to die because we worship false gods to disown God, etc. We must worship only him.

At NT time, we are free to choose anything what we like to beleive in. Jesus did not force us to beleive God but our choice.

At OT time is very cruel which is different as NT.
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It never was, is not now, and never will be OK to worship false gods. Jesus didn't remove that law. People have always had free will to obey or disobey. If they disobeyed, the penalty was the same then and now--death. The crucifixion of Jesus took our penalty and put it on Jesus. There is still a penalty for idol worship but if the sinner repents and trusts Jesus, then HE takes that penalty upon Himself.
 
Reba said:
OK. The Bible Scriptures say that the every word of the Bible is true and God inspired. So if you believe the Scriptures, you believe that every word in the Bible is from God, and is true. If you don't believe that, then you don't believe the Scriptures. It's very simple and clear.
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No, How do you know either the translation/interpretation is correct or not. I wish I can read Hebrew language. All what I beleive scriptures is true but I cannot prove that translation/interpretation is correct or not. Example: Cheri mentioned "The sin of Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." (Ezekiel 16:49-50)" is Christianity's view which is not same as other bible's view. Got it?

II Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Job 32
8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
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Those is from scriptures, yes but transation/interpretation? :dunno:

So you don't believe the Scriptures.
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You said this, not me.

It's very confusing because first you say you do believe the Scriptures then you say that you don't.
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Please quit to misinterpret my post.

Repeat one more and last.

Scriptures is true and translation/interpretation from scriptures into English is correct? :dunno: You cannot mix original scriptures with translation/interpretation. They are separated... I beleive Scriptures and doubt translation/interpretation.

OK. If you believe Bible history is true, then you believe the Bible is all true. It's all one story.
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If you don't believe the Bible is true, then you can't believe the history in it either. It's one complete story. It's either 100 percent true, or 100 percent false. It can't be both.
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No, not all bible stories are the same. I've read different bible stories and can see that they are bit different. If you beleive in Christianity bible then is your true bible. I beleive in accept ALL bibles to focus on them and can see that their history are almost same and some different. I accept all of them as true history. I consider the bible as the same as famous historical figures.


You can't pick and chose which parts of the Bible are true and which aren't. Either it is 100 percent true, or 100 percent false to you. It isn't even logical to say that you believe the part where Jesus was sentenced to death by crucifixion but you don't believe the rest of the story about what happened after.
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Yes I accept all the bibleS as history, no matter what... It's my decision to beleive or not. I can pick anything when I see logic from the bibles. Example: Your Bible said that Jesus is God which my 2 Bible said Jesus is Son of God and God's Son. You cannot expect me to pick which bible as true bible. I accept ALL different bibles where the religion author wrote, period.

I'm not forcing anyone to accept the Bible. I'm just pointing out the logic. God said that He gave all of the Bible, and that He can't lie. If you don't believe that, then you don't believe the Bible at all. It's all one story from one divine Author who can't lie. Take it or leave it.
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I am not saying that the bible is lie but the problem is translation/interpretation because they all interpreted differently. I really don't care either they are true or not but see Bible as a history, period. If you think religion bible author translate and interpret correct then is your choice. What I think is my choice.

If I think the Bible is lie then I would threw the bible to trash bin but I didn't.



If you leave it, then that's your choice. No one can force you to take it.
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