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DeafCaroline said:
I feel stupid but what is dhh? and what's the difference between auditory verbally educated and auditory verbal therapy? My first year of speech therapy was at the children's hospital where the program originated but it was always just me, my mother and the speech therapist. I never went to preschool.
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Auditory Verbally Educated = oral only environment. At least that is what I am getting from the context. It is a phrase I am completely unfamiliar with.
 
StevieMont927 said:
I'm not talking about forcing a kid to go through hours upon hours of speech therapy. If they don't like it, they don't do it, that simple. However, I do think that if a deaf child were both able and willing to speak, it would benefit them to have that other channel of communication, just as I believe a hearing child that's bilingual would benefit from that extra way of communicating. If a kid doesn't want to do something, though, I don't see the need to force them. It only breeds resentment.
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If a child is willing and able to speak, they will use their voice by their own choice. You would not be able to force them not to speak. So, the "allow" part of your question is moot.
 
jillio said:
That would depend. I don't think there are many that say that speech skills are not useful. Do you think that because that child can speak, she/he has an advantage over those who don't speak? If so, then that is an audist belief.
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I don't think it's an advantage over others so much as a benefit for the child. I went to Italy knowing no Italian. I communicated just fine. Would it have benefited me to know more Italian? Yes. Did others who knew more have an advantage over me? I don't believe they did.
 
jillio said:
If a child is willing and able to speak, they will use their voice by their own choice. You would not be able to force them not to speak. So, the "allow" part of your question is moot.
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To what "allow" part are you referring?
 
StevieMont927 said:
I don't think it's an advantage over others so much as a benefit for the child. I went to Italy knowing no Italian. I communicated just fine. Would it have benefited me to know more Italian? Yes. Did others who knew more have an advantage over me? I don't believe they did.
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In that case, it is not an audist perspective.
 
StevieMont927 said:
To what "allow" part are you referring?
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Your original post. You did not use the word "allow" directly, but the tone of your post struck me as if a parent would deny a child an opportuity to learn speech skills as opposed to presenting them with the opportunity.
 
jillio said:
Your original post. You did not use the word "allow" directly, but the tone of your post struck me as if a parent would deny a child an opportuity to learn speech skills as opposed to presenting them with the opportunity.
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I didn't intend for it to come off that way, and I'm sorry if you took it badly. If a naive parent was trying to avoid looking like a hardcore audist they might insist that their child learn only sign, and not provide them the opportunity. That's the only situation I can think of for a parent denying their child the opportunity to speak.
 
StevieMont927 said:
I didn't intend for it to come off that way, and I'm sorry if you took it badly. If a naive parent was trying to avoid looking like a hardcore audist they might insist that their child learn only sign, and not provide them the opportunity. That's the only situation I can think of for a parent denying their child the opportunity to speak.
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No, I didn't take it badly at all. I was just clarifying because we have had people in the past talk about things like preventing a child from being exposed to spoken language. The fact is, a deaf child is exposed to spoken language all of the time.
 
jillio said:
No, I didn't take it badly at all. I was just clarifying because we have had people in the past talk about things like preventing a child from being exposed to spoken language. The fact is, a deaf child is exposed to spoken language all of the time.
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I see, I see. Thanks for clarifying.
 
jillio said:
Auditory Verbally Educated = oral only environment. At least that is what I am getting from the context. It is a phrase I am completely unfamiliar with.
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Stupid oral-only philodophy....keep changing the terminology to try to brainswash people that it is better but when it is only the same old bullshit=NO ASL allowed!!

At least ASL is more straightforward and never changes terminology.
 
I feel stupid but what is dhh? and what's the difference between auditory verbally educated and auditory verbal therapy? My first year of speech therapy was at the children's hospital where the program originated but it was always just me, my mother and the speech therapist. I never went to preschool.
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dhh= deaf and hard of hearing.
Auditory Verbal educated is basicly what we went through...ie neighborhood school, being the ONLY dhh kid in the school. Auditory verbal therapy is basicly very very intense "You must be Hearing" speech therapy. It doesn't even allow for speechreading?!?!?! When a kid tries to speechread, the auditory verbal therapist blocks their mouth.
 
Auditory Verbally Educated = oral only environment. At least that is what I am getting from the context. It is a phrase I am completely unfamiliar with.
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Not quite. It's a phrase I devised, from the fact that Auditory Verbal insists that the best learning enviroment for a dhh kid, is a solotaire oral only education. As opposed to Auditory Oral, which admits that dhh kids may need oral formal dhh programs (either public or private)
Unfortunatly, it does seem like Auditory Verbal influence has really crept into Auditory oral. Which is why enrollment at Clarke, CID, St. Joseph's, DePaul, etc is dwindling.....the parents (in the know) think that auditory verbal is such an innovative educational option, and buy into the crap about solotaire/auditory verbal mainstreaming being SO innovative.
 
shel90 said:
Stupid oral-only philodophy....keep changing the terminology to try to brainswash people that it is better but when it is only the same old xxxxxx=NO ASL allowed!!

At least ASL is more straightforward and never changes terminology.
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So true that!
 
deafdyke said:
Not quite. It's a phrase I devised, from the fact that Auditory Verbal insists that the best learning enviroment for a dhh kid, is a solotaire oral only education. As opposed to Auditory Oral, which admits that dhh kids may need oral formal dhh programs (either public or private)
Unfortunatly, it does seem like Auditory Verbal influence has really crept into Auditory oral. Which is why enrollment at Clarke, CID, St. Joseph's, DePaul, etc is dwindling.....the parents (in the know) think that auditory verbal is such an innovative educational option, and buy into the crap about solotaire/auditory verbal mainstreaming being SO innovative.
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By what you are saying here - this means that the child 'goes it alone' in mainstream schools? Sounds very much my personal experience. I had no speech therapy other than private classes that my mother paid for. No oral program was provided for me or any other dhh child when I was in mainstream growing up. There was no accomodations except seating at the front of the class, which ostrichised me from my classmates all the more. I compensated by being the 'teacher's pet'.
 
BecLak said:
By what you are saying here - this means that the child 'goes it alone' in mainstream schools? Sounds very much my personal experience. I had no speech therapy other than private classes that my mother paid for. No oral program was provided for me or any other dhh child when I was in mainstream growing up. There was no accomodations except seating at the front of the class, which ostrichised me from my classmates all the more. I compensated by being the 'teacher's pet'.
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i was like that too, in the later years of schooling especially from standard 4, which is about 9 years old and onwards. it was also one of the most painful experiences anyone can go through. Teachers petdom is just one of those 'at the time comforting' but when i look back i know (didnt knew, i trusted them too much) i was betrayed.

It just like there was NO other way out...Bloody awful.
 
BecLak said:
By what you are saying here - this means that the child 'goes it alone' in mainstream schools? Sounds very much my personal experience. I had no speech therapy other than private classes that my mother paid for. No oral program was provided for me or any other dhh child when I was in mainstream growing up. There was no accomodations except seating at the front of the class, which ostrichised me from my classmates all the more. I compensated by being the 'teacher's pet'.
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Same here. but I was never the teacher's pet. I knew that would create more problems for me.
 
What happens when one is NOT the "teacher's pet" outside a school environment?

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BecLak said:
By what you are saying here - this means that the child 'goes it alone' in mainstream schools? Sounds very much my personal experience. I had no speech therapy other than private classes that my mother paid for. No oral program was provided for me or any other dhh child when I was in mainstream growing up. There was no accomodations except seating at the front of the class, which ostrichised me from my classmates all the more. I compensated by being the 'teacher's pet'.
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i was like that too, in the later years of schooling especially from standard 4, which is about 9 years old and onwards. it was also one of the most painful experiences anyone can go through. Teachers petdom is just one of those 'at the time comforting' but when i look back i know (didnt knew, i trusted them too much) i was betrayed.

It just like there was NO other way out...Bloody awful.
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I agree.
 
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