Psychology of Parents on CI

drphil said:
I understand the urgency in dealing with "deaf" children with Cochlear Implants is to assist their "speaking ability" to develop. Here in Ontario-children are processed quickly on this matter. Much quicker than adults! ASL doesn't deal with speaking. Thus to me it makes no sense to wait till a child is an adult to deal with a Cochlear Implant. I guess it depends on how one perceives -- speaking in our society vs ASL signing. I guess the label Oral deaf fits me- as I triggered the process way back in 2007 when I became completely deaf from "profound hearing impaired".
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The label "Late Deafened" fits you. It is a completely thing from Oral deaf.
 
drphil said:
I understand the urgency in dealing with "deaf" children with Cochlear Implants is to assist their "speaking ability" to develop. Here in Ontario-children are processed quickly on this matter. Much quicker than adults! ASL doesn't deal with speaking. Thus to me it makes no sense to wait till a child is an adult to deal with a Cochlear Implant. I guess it depends on how one perceives -- speaking in our society vs ASL signing. I guess the label Oral deaf fits me- as I triggered the process way back in 2007 when I became completely deaf from "profound hearing impaired".
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Guess you dont understand the cultural values of the Deaf community?
 
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The decision to get an aid, HA or CI, is not in opposition to ASL. There seems to be a mistaken assumption that pro-CI=anti-ASL underlying some of these comments.
 
GrendelQ said:
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The decision to get an aid, HA or CI, is not in opposition to ASL. There seems to be a mistaken assumption that pro-CI=anti-ASL underlying some of these comments.
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This is exactly right. Also, valuing spoken language does NOT mean NOT valuing ASL.
 
GrendelQ said:
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The decision to get an aid, HA or CI, is not in opposition to ASL. There seems to be a mistaken assumption that pro-CI=anti-ASL underlying some of these comments.
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It doesn't have to be, but very, very often, it is.
 
deafdyke said:
jillo, really? A pediatric SLP would know more about aphasia then about how to teach a kid with hearing loss?!?! I can imagine a general SLP knowing more about aphasia(working with stroke victims) but a PEDIATRIC one?
I did know that most general specialized teachers and service providers only have a bare minimum of training with dhh kids. I wonder if that could be one of the reasons that auditory verbal programs appear to acheive a lot of sucess...that deaf kids are seeing a highly trained specificly to work with deaf kids speeh therapist.
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Shel, I work in one of the largest Pediatruc hospitals in the country. The number of children with CP, stroke, acquired and congenital brain injury, etc is much higher than the number of D/HH kids. Aphasia, apraxia, dysfluency, etc are much more common problems than you would think. Our Pediatric SLPs are best with what they see most often.
 
faire_jour said:
Just because you value one does NOT mean that you do not value the other.
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Huh?

There are many people out there and some here on AD who value spoken language and do not value ASL. Yes, there are many who value both like most ADers.
 
shel90 said:
Huh?

There are many people out there and some here on AD who value spoken language and do not value ASL. Yes, there are many who value both like most ADers.
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It's just that there's not a correlation or cause there -- choosing a CI does not go hand in hand with or cause one to not value ASL, though there may be a commonality. I mean, there are many people who are blonde and who love chocolate ice cream, but being blonde doesn't mean you love chocolate ice cream. (I however, do .. :) )
 
Some thoughts on the Cochlear Implant

Having two hearing impaired children, I can say that the CI is good under two circumstances.

One, if the CI is implanted and activated as early as possible, so that the recipient starts getting stimulus from the CI which will allow the association of the "simulated" hearing impulses with those of the actual environmental sounds that a hearing child would receive. Implanted too late in life, the "sounds" mean nothing, as it did with both CIs implanted in my child at 16+ years.

Two, the CI works well and is quickly adopted by those who are/become post lingually deafened. An older adult recipient, in my church, went "stone deaf" and now "hears" well enough to carry o a conversation and to, again, play her piano.
 
Hammond Ham said:
Having two hearing impaired children, I can say that the CI is good under two circumstances.

One, if the CI is implanted and activated as early as possible, so that the recipient starts getting stimulus from the CI which will allow the association of the "simulated" hearing impulses with those of the actual environmental sounds that a hearing child would receive. Implanted too late in life, the "sounds" mean nothing, as it did with both CIs implanted in my child at 16+ years.

Two, the CI works well and is quickly adopted by those who are/become post lingually deafened. An older adult recipient, in my church, went "stone deaf" and now "hears" well enough to carry o a conversation and to, again, play her piano.
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I am total deaf - no HA's or CI will work for me at all, and I still play the piano, flute, recorder and pluck out tunes on a guitar. I can also sing and mostly on pitch. Must be all the years I was only HOH and had some hearing, but now I "ain't got nuttin!"
 
GrendelQ said:
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The decision to get an aid, HA or CI, is not in opposition to ASL. There seems to be a mistaken assumption that pro-CI=anti-ASL underlying some of these comments.
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That is very true. Too much emphasis, especially in this forum, is placed on an assumption that is not accurate in very many cases. Cochlear implants and ASL are not mutually exclusive.

The cochlear implant decision that parents make for their child is a personal one: it is made FOR the child and NOT against a mode of communication or a segment of a community.
Rick
 
rick48 said:
That is very true. Too much emphasis, especially in this forum, is placed on an assumption that is not accurate in very many cases. Cochlear implants and ASL are not mutually exclusive.

The cochlear implant decision that parents make for their child is a personal one: it is made FOR the child and NOT against a mode of communication or a segment of a community.
Rick
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Did you include ASL in your daughter's life when she was a child? Have you and your family members used it as a communication mode?

Nope. Mutually exclusive in your case, and in the vast majority of cases where hearing parents are concerned. Just because it doesn't have to been doesn't mean it isn't.:cool2:
 
jillio said:
Did you include ASL in your daughter's life when she was a child? Have you and your family members used it as a communication mode?

Nope. Mutually exclusive in your case, and in the vast majority of cases where hearing parents are concerned. Just because it doesn't have to been doesn't mean it isn't.:cool2:
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You are not understanding the point: the choice of a cochlear implant does not mean that one is against ASL.

And since YOU once again chose to make this personal, our choice of a cochlear implant, as well as our decision to raise her orally, was because that was what we determined was best for our child. We are not, and never have been against ASL, it was just not the best choice of communication for our child.

And yes, as a matter of fact both my wife and my mother-in-law took several ASL classes and my wife has always been able to converse in sign. When our daughter was just diagnosed and even with her S&L therapist after she was implanted, signs were used but our daughter refused to acknowledge and/or respond to them and always sought to converse orally.

Thus, as much as it goes against your "one size fits all" and "my way is the only way" mentality. ASL was not the best path for our child. We at least can see that for others it has been and thus do not advocate an oral only approach for all deaf children but then we do not profess to be all knowing and omnipotent like you do.
 
rick48 said:
You are not understanding the point: the choice of a cochlear implant does not mean that one is against ASL.

And since YOU once again chose to make this personal, our choice of a cochlear implant, as well as our decision to raise her orally, was because that was what we determined was best for our child. We are not, and never have been against ASL, it was just not the best choice of communication for our child.

And yes, as a matter of fact both my wife and my mother-in-law took several ASL classes and my wife has always been able to converse in sign. When our daughter was just diagnosed and even with her S&L therapist after she was implanted, signs were used but our daughter refused to acknowledge and/or respond to them and always sought to converse orally.

Thus, as much as it goes against your "one size fits all" and "my way is the only way" mentality. ASL was not the best path for our child. We at least can see that for others it has been and thus do not advocate an oral only approach for all deaf children but then we do not profess to be all knowing and omnipotent like you do.
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Exactly.
Which confirms the fact that while CI and ASL don't have to be mutually exclusive, most often, in real life situations, they are.:cool2: Thank you for confirming that point.

And while you may not advocate an oral only approach for all deaf children, you do accuse the parents who choose a bi-bi approach of "taking the easy way out." Judgement of lesser than is there, no matter what you claim to advocate.
 
jillio said:
Did you include ASL in your daughter's life when she was a child? Have you and your family members used it as a communication mode?

Nope. Mutually exclusive in your case, and in the vast majority of cases where hearing parents are concerned. Just because it doesn't have to been doesn't mean it isn't.:cool2:
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Both Grendel and I answer yes to your questions. 2 vs 1 :D
 
jillio said:
And while you may not advocate an oral only approach for all deaf children, you do accuse the parents who choose a bi-bi approach of "taking the easy way out." Judgement of lesser than is there, no matter what you claim to advocate.
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Wrong again!

My comment, well over a year ago, was directed solely at you and your failure to acknowledge that you choose not to implant your child.

While we are going down memory lane, let's not forget the fact that you have called my wife's and I parental decisions as to our how we have chosen to raise our child destructive to her and to other deaf people. Such venom from someone who has never met us and obviously has never met our daughter. People who live in glass houses....

Apparently, you can dish it out but can't take it. Not surprising as it is the classic trademark of the bully.
 
faire_jour said:
Both Grendel and I answer yes to your questions. 2 vs 1 :D
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Oh, so you view this as a contest rather than as a quest to provide the most beneficial services to the deaf child. No wonder you get so defensive. It is an "I win or I lose" situation you think you are dealing with. Put your focus on the child, and your perspective will change.
 
rick48 said:
Wrong again!

My comment, well over a year ago, was directed solely at you and your failure to acknowledge that you choose not to implant your child.

While we are going down memory lane, let's not forget the fact that you have called my wife's and I parental decisions as to our how we have chosen to raise our child destructive to her and to other deaf people. Such venom from someone who has never met us and obviously has never met our daughter. People who live in glass houses....

Apparently, you can dish it out but can't take it. Not surprising as it is the classic trademark of the bully.
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It's okay rick. Everyone remembers your comments, even though you now attempt to backpedal.:lol: It's okay. AD had your number a long time ago.:giggle:
 
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