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faire_jour said:
I don't know how each person was educated. How can I answer that question?
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I can tell you, as a deaf person, that I wouldn't let any person with that little knowledge you exposure here, have any responsibility or give any advices on how I or other deaf kids should learn english. It's no doubt that I would be more than happy if Shel90 was my teacher when I was a kid, as she is an educated professonial with the highest possible knowledge how deaf kids learn to read, write, sign and talk. She also have first person experiences and have fluent bilingual skills. Sorry, but your ramblings are amateurish.
 
faire_jour said:
Then start supporting parents who want ASL and spoken language. Many bi-bi schools do not support the use of audition to access spoken English. They support only ASL-written English bilingualism with "speech skills". There is a difference.
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My priorities are the children's needs, not the parents. It is the children who are suffering by the bad decisions of many.

I support exposing all deaf children to spoken English and I have never stated otherwise since I became a member of AD. Nothing has changed.
 
flip said:
I can tell you, as a deaf person, that I wouldn't let any person with that little knowledge you exposure here, have any responsibility or give any advices on how I or other deaf kids should learn english. It's no doubt that I would be more than happy if Shel90 was my teacher when I was a kid, as she is an educated professonial with the highest possible knowledge how deaf kids learn to read, write, sign and talk. She also have first person experiences and have fluent bilingual skills. Sorry, but your ramblings are amateurish.
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Excuse me? I have access to many professionals, all of them as highly trained as Shel, who actually know my child and can give advice about the best way for HER to learn, and not actually just speak in generalities. And yes, these do include deaf adult teachers of the deaf.
 
faire_jour said:
Excuse me? I have access to many professionals, all of them as highly trained as Shel, who actually know my child and can give advice about the best way for HER to learn, and not actually just speak in generalities. And yes, these do include deaf adult teachers of the deaf.
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And they disagree with Shel90?
 
naisho said:
Nope, from what it appears to me, he's not willing to share his experience at that school. I thought it would be interesting to ask about his stay too.

Not sure why it would be too confidential, he wants his privacy rights respected so I guess that is the sum of it.
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Thanks. Indeed, I tried because i am curious that i might not realize as to why he stays there too long.
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shel90 said:
Disagree with restricting information, access, communication in the educational setting for deaf children? Interesting.
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You have never met a teacher of the Deaf who advocates for listening and spoken language as the first language for a child with a hearing loss?????
 
naisho said:
Nope, from what it appears to me, he's not willing to share his experience at that school. I thought it would be interesting to ask about his stay too.

Not sure why it would be too confidential, he wants his privacy rights respected so I guess that is the sum of it.
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Oh, I've discussed why a few times in AD. It's a common question I'd get from time to time. Let me find the link/thread. Here's one of them. Knock yourself out.

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/72378-gallaudet.html#post1465682
 
faire_jour said:
You have never met a teacher of the Deaf who advocates for listening and spoken language as the first language for a child with a hearing loss?????
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Not a deaf teacher, no...hearing teachers, yes. My TODs believed in that hence their positions at the oral deaf program I was in during the first five years of my life. That program had no deaf adults working there.

I have met so many teachers who are deaf and they all agreed with me.

Utah must be a very unusual state.
 
GrendelQ said:
Wow, Jillio, you really are on a tear: Asking us to whip out and place our legislative credentials against your big swinging DC trip last week, mocking the size of our efforts to build our local school programs (and the schools themselves), sniffing at our efforts to promote ASL to other parents of kids with CIs or considering CIs, and now snidely ridiculing what we've seen as a long battle FJ has undergone to include ASL in her child's curriculum against an enormous opposition that apparently your years of Herculean effort didn't fix for those of us just entering the fray.

And yet, 20 years of visits to Capitol Hill and you couldn't get ASL on a list of options offered to new parents? I guess it's not the size of your 'what I did to better the world' list , but what you do with it.
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Love you Grendel!
 
shel90 said:
Not a deaf teacher, no...hearing teachers, yes. My TODs believed in that hence their positions at the oral deaf program I was in during the first five years of my life. That program had no deaf adults working there.

I have met so many teachers who are deaf and they all agreed with me.

Utah must be a very unusual state.
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The John Tracy Clinic has at least one teacher who is Deaf (might be two, or maybe she is just an administrator, I forget) and an audiologist who is deaf.
 
faire_jour said:
You have never met a teacher of the Deaf who advocates for listening and spoken language as the first language for a child with a hearing loss?????
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This implies that you don't know any deafs who advocates ASL first, even if almost every deaf person on AD tells you so(ok, except a guy around here). And you want us to take you seriously?
 
shel90 said:
Not a deaf teacher, no...hearing teachers, yes. My TODs believed in that hence their positions at the oral deaf program I was in during the first five years of my life. That program had no deaf adults working there.

I have met so many teachers who are deaf and they all agreed with me.

Utah must be a very unusual state.
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It's more a unusual mind at work here, I guess.
 
flip said:
This implies that you don't know any deafs who advocates ASL first, even if almost every deaf person on AD tells you so(ok, except a guy around here). And you want us to take you seriously?
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Where did I say all???? There are people with different opinions, that is why there is such a divide. I know MANY well educated people who are on both sides of the debate.
 
faire_jour said:
Where did I say all???? There are people with different opinions, that is why there is such a divide. I know MANY well educated people who are on both sides of the debate.
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You said you had met many professonials. I asked if they did disagree with Shel90, you said yes "Actually, yes they do."

Now you are changing your reply, with "There are people with different opinions".

Sorry, but it's something wrong with you.
 
flip said:
You said you had met many professonials. I asked if they did disagree with Shel90, you said yes "Actually, yes they do."

Now you are changing your reply, with "There are people with different opinions".

Sorry, but it's something wrong with you.
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What are you not understanding? I have met many professionals who disagree with Shel, so has she. Just ask her.

I have also met many who agree with her.
 
faire_jour said:
What are you not understanding? I have met many professionals who disagree with Shel, so has she. Just ask her.

I have also met many who agree with her.
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Don't need to ask Shel90, she said on this very page:"I have met so many teachers who are deaf and they all agreed with me.".

Nice try.
 
flip said:
Don't need to ask Shel90, she said on this very page:"I have met so many teachers who are deaf and they all agreed with me.".

Nice try.
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You are not reading the whole of her or my post.

Shel said that she knows professional who advocate for spoken language, just like I did.
 
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