Do you feel that hearing teachers restrict Deaf children in learning?

Tousi said:
This may be off topic but I think the Milan Conference of 1880 was mentioned in this thread soo here goes.....

Canada’s “Demand Apology” Letters to I.C.E.D. Deaf Bilingual Coalition's Blog

I wonder if Souggy or any other Canadians have seen this.
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I just read through some of this and I think it is outstanding!! The fact that it is current (yesterday) makes it even better. I wish them the best. It's hard to imagine that anything that is over 100 years old will still hold true today. I hope they are able to make great progress on this.
 
rockdrummer said:
I didn't say they are hearing children. They are deaf / HOH children that assisted, have the ability to make use of sounds and are able to use and understand spoken language.
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Is having to work hard to listen a good idea in the educational setting?
 
Frisky Feline said:
It depends on people who does not need ASL. But i think SOME of them won't admit due to the society.

My hubby can speak beautifully and can hear with his CI at the most of time. It's MY words because i have witness him. I know he won't admits to me that he sometimes need an interpreter at the big meeting on the miliary base. Everyday, He came home, and ask me not to talk to him for a while or so because his eyes are very tiring of staring/reading people's lips and he gets headache by trying to listen carefully to make sure that he won't misunderstand his coworkers. I feel bad for him! He grew up in a hearing environment and all his life until he first time learns ASL at age 19. He loves it only if he is around with deaf people or interpreters or so. But sad that's how he was raised the way hearing environment he is in. I can't speak for him but i can see that. It's not fair.

One CI user girl at my girl's school, and i witness that she got a ci when she was 2. Her mother does sign pretty good. i watched her talking to other girls and i could tell that she gets all her works by listening to other girls talking and keep focusing on them like not normal to me. It shows me obviously that she works hard to listen repeatly to make sure she won't miss it. Because she was born deaf then got a HA at a few months old and then got a CI at 2 years old. Yet she acts like she has to work harder than normal hearing girl who don't really pay attention but listen so naturally.

I feel bad for her.
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Yes, lipreading and listening hard is very very hard work and I know that it will be required out in the hearing world but in educational setting where learning takes place, I dont think any child should have to rely on their weakest sense to work hard and then try to work hard at learning new concepts. It is something that I dont believe in for any child. Use their strongest sense (deaf children being their eyes) and capitalize to ease the burdens so they can spend their energy on learning.
 
shel90 said:
Yes, lipreading and listening hard is very very hard work and I know that it will be required out in the hearing world but in educational setting where learning takes place, I dont think any child should have to rely on their weakest sense to work hard and then try to work hard at learning new concepts. It is something that I dont believe in for any child. Use their strongest sense (deaf children being their eyes) and capitalize to ease the burdens so they can spend their energy on learning.
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I agree. I always told my hubby that he should be proud that he can speak and read lips like 80 percents. But he told me i am lucky that I do not have to worry or deal if i speak right or lipreading right or anyone won't expect of me to speak" everyday. He sometimes gets tired of speaking or lipreading. Sometimes he makes me to talk to hearing people at the stores or so. He knew that they would talk to me through the pen and papre that would be clear and loud with less hassles of missunderstanding. I never forget that one time I saw the kitty who is our furbaby now at the homeless kitty place. He said, "you deal with them now, i need a break from speaking." He knew that i did not mind because i have never been afraid of meeting strangers who know nothing ASL. lol So We adopted our furbaby. That was my first experience that he expressed his feeling about all his work hard by lipreading or listening since he was infant. I understand how he feels about it. that was 10 yrs ago.
 
Frisky Feline said:
I agree. I always told my hubby that he should be proud that he can speak and read lips like 80 percents. But he told me i am lucky that I do not have to worry or deal if i speak right or lipreading right or anyone won't expect of me to speak" everyday. He sometimes gets tired of speaking or lipreading. Sometimes he makes me to talk to hearing people at the stores or so. He knew that they would talk to me through the pen and papre that would be clear and loud with less hassles of missunderstanding. I never forget that one time I saw the kitty who is our furbaby now at the homeless kitty place. He said, "you deal with them now, i need a break from speaking." He knew that i did not mind because i have never been afraid of meeting strangers who know nothing ASL. lol So We adopted our furbaby. That was my first experience that he expressed his feeling about all his work hard by reading or listen since he was infant. I understand how he feels about it. that was 10 yrs ago.
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My brother is like you. Has no speech skills but isnt afraid to communicate with any hearing person while I, on the other hand, due to my bad experiences, I am very relunctant but I have been getting better and better about it. However, I try to avoid large groups settings whenever I can. That's one of the reasons why I wont go to my 20 high school renunion this year despite getting in contact with several old friends from high school because I know that I will be left out like I was at the 10 year renunion. It is not worth my money.I prefer one on one situations so I will see them one by one whenever I go back to AZ. No more large social groups. That's why I hate going to my in laws for any holiday event. My eyes get so tired and I get headaches just from trying to listen and speechread for long periods of time. It is impossible to do that all day which is why deaf children using their weakest sense in the educational setting does not make sense to me at all.
 
shel90 said:
My brother is like you. Has no speech skills but isnt afraid to communicate with any hearing person while I, on the other hand, due to my bad experiences, I am very relunctant but I have been getting better and better about it. However, I try to avoid large groups settings whenever I can. That's one of the reasons why I wont go to my 20 high school renunion this year despite getting in contact with several old friends from high school because I know that I will be left out like I was at the 10 year renunion. It is not worth my money.I prefer one on one situations so I will see them one by one whenever I go back to AZ. No more large social groups. That's why I hate going to my in laws for any holiday event. My eyes get so tired and I get headaches just from trying to listen and speechread for long periods of time. It is impossible to do that all day which is why deaf children using their weakest sense in the educational setting does not make sense to me at all.
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you are in the same boat as my hubby. He did not go to his high school reunion. At first i was so furious and thought he often got excuses. He does get moody that i never understand why he can speak and lipread like i said, what's his freaking problem. Until I came back to AD in 2008 and learned so much from each of you who have been through quite of experience challenage due to people who expects of you guys who can speak and lipreading. It hits me so hard, and i told my hubby about AD. I even told him that I was so sorry that i didn't believe him for a long time. Now I understood. I didn't complain it to him anymore because i understand. Wish someone told me 16 years ago about how tiring of working on listening and lipreading. I always thought that those listening and lipreading were easy because they grow up with, but i totally forget that the emotions and mental DO affect their lives such as headaches, moody or oversensitive and sometimes tense.
 
Frisky Feline said:
you are in the same boat as my hubby. He did not go to his high school reunion. At first i was so furious and thought he often got excuses. He does get moody that i never understand why he can speak and lipread like i said, what's his freaking problem. Until I came back to AD in 2008 and learned so much from each of you who have been through quite of experience challenage due to people who expects of you guys who can speak and lipreading. It hits me so hard, and i told my hubby about AD. I even told him that I was so sorry that i didn't believe him for a long time. Now I understood. I didn't complain it to him anymore because i understand. Wish someone told me 16 years ago about how tiring of working on listening and lipreading. I always thought that those listening and lipreading were easy because they grow up with, but i totally forget that the emotions and mental DO affect their lives such as headaches, moody or oversensitive and sometimes tense.
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Maybe that explains a lot of my moodiness these days. I can only lipread or attempt to lipread. It seems I only get 3 out of 10 words and most of the time, that's not enough to make sense.

I am thankful that I am finally learning ASL and can now have a small simple conversation, but not much.
 
Frisky Feline said:
you are in the same boat as my hubby. He did not go to his high school reunion. At first i was so furious and thought he often got excuses. He does get moody that i never understand why he can speak and lipread like i said, what's his freaking problem. Until I came back to AD in 2008 and learned so much from each of you who have been through quite of experience challenage due to people who expects of you guys who can speak and lipreading. It hits me so hard, and i told my hubby about AD. I even told him that I was so sorry that i didn't believe him for a long time. Now I understood. I didn't complain it to him anymore because i understand. Wish someone told me 16 years ago about how tiring of working on listening and lipreading. I always thought that those listening and lipreading were easy because they grow up with, but i totally forget that the emotions and mental DO affect their lives such as headaches, moody or oversensitive and sometimes tense.
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My life has become so so so much easier when I became fluent in ASL. That is a testominial itself!

Glad that you learned a lot from us and able to be more understanding of where your hubby comes from. :hug:
 
shel90 said:
then how is ASL restrictive for anyone?
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rockdrummer said:
The same way spoken language would be restrictive to deaf / hoh that aidied can understand and speak English.
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ASL is the most freeing language in the world for both Deaf and hearing.

Babies are born unable to use their vocal chords so this is where ASL empowers them to communicate their needs for milk, comfort and so on.

I find it very baffling how some people will try to compare spoken language to ASL.

Please.
 
Mrs Bucket said:
ASL is the most freeing language in the world for both Deaf and hearing.

Babies are born unable to use their vocal chords so this is where ASL empowers them to communicate their needs for milk, comfort and so on.

I find it very baffling how some people will try to compare spoken language to ASL.

Please.
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Wanted to add that ASL is a visual or tactile language so anyone who has eyes or feeling of touch will have full acess to ASL regardless of their hearing status while deaf/hoh children do not have full acess to English since it is a language meant to be processed via auditorally.
 
Well said Shel.

Children will access languages with ASL and English.

How can ASL be restrictive?
 
I am loving ASL more and more with each class I take and with each day of my homework and study. It makes me wish that had been given the opportunity to learn it before now, but I am thankful for the chance to learn now.

My AllDeaf family and friends have been a God-send to me and have helped me in this journey. I am also thankful for those who I can call on the VP and try to practice with. I promise to get back to that soon.
 
do anyone who have expert at listening and lipreading that kid got a CI at the earliest age, do they be able to follow the stage show? like broadway or concert or children show. If they don't. then it's a perfect example that they could have learned ASL as well then they will enjoy to watch the stage show.
 
I find it very baffling how some people will try to compare spoken language to ASL.
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I had a discussion with a hearing man in my ASL class about this. There are only two of us. He didn't grasp that ASL does not literally translate into English. He didn't understand how classifiers can be used as pronouns. This lead to a discussion on deaf/Deaf culture and why hearing people drop out of ASL classes. He's been in classes longer than I have. I invited him to my home to practice but he seemed put off. He laughed and said no. Still working on finding a practice buddy...
 
sallylou said:
I had a discussion with a hearing man in my ASL class about this. There are only two of us. He didn't grasp that ASL does not literally translate into English. He didn't understand how classifiers can be used as pronouns. This lead to a discussion on deaf/Deaf culture and why hearing people drop out of ASL classes. He's been in classes longer than I have. I invited him to my home to practice but he seemed put off. He laughed and said no. Still working on finding a practice buddy...
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I keep running into that with the hearing regarding ASL. Recently, I was on my warlock in WoW (World of Warcraft) and someone brought up his ASL class on guild chat. He said his teacher wouldn't use his voice at all while using ASL so he was considering dropping the class. I told him ASL is not English and that you shouldn't use your voice while signing. I think he'll drop it anyway.
 
deafskeptic said:
I keep running into that with the hearing regarding ASL. Recently, I was on my warlock in WoW (World of Warcraft) and someone brought up his ASL class on guild chat. He said his teacher wouldn't use his voice at all while using ASL so he was considering dropping the class. I told him ASL is not English and that you shouldn't use your voice while signing. I think he'll drop it anyway.
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I swear...as there are some stupid deaf people ..there are stupid hearing people too! :lol:
 
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