White privilege

Jiro said:
so why don't you find it? that's what I would do. That's how I debated with Jillio in gun threads long while back :)

Less Talk, More Action
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Hey. It's simple. A person makes the claim or assertion about some study, then the person better have that reference(s) or link(s) ready for others to see. Otherwise it's just fluff until shown otherwise by the person making the assertion about some study or data.
 
netrox said:
Of course, I have the "white privilege." It's real. It exists. I've observed it.

I remember 20/20 doing that - a white man with same background as black man... black man is well educated.. i mean, literally their backgrounds are virtually identical but the black man was always treated as a second class citizen while the white man was showered with kindness, help, and offers.
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as long as you recognized that racism and white privilege exists... you're A-OK :)

many Caucasians denied it as a silly notion that exists only in MLK era or tv show.... or even a cop-out excuse used by minority to get out of any trouble like police brutality.
 
Jiro said:
as long as you recognized that racism and white privilege exists... you're A-OK :)

many Caucasians denied it as a silly notion that exists only in MLK era or tv show.... or even a cop-out excuse used by minority to get out of any trouble like police brutality.
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Agreed. Recognizing its existence is the key. And recognizing the ways in which we personally contribute to it comes from that. Many deny it, but can come up with nothing to support their assertion that it doesn't exist, while all the while, the sociological information and anecdotal information confirm its existence.
 
jillio said:
Exactly. You took responsibility for finding the answers you were looking for. You did not ask anyone to spoon feed information to you.

But, let's resist the efforts to turn what can be a reasonable and productive discussion into an argumentative thread, once again. Most have been able to do that, and there is no reason why we should be taken off track.
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Ah, but when it comes to making claims the responsibilty falls on the individual to provide those same study data should people request it. Not doing so leaves only one conclusion about the individual who do that sort of thing.
 
kokonut said:
Hey. It's simple. A person makes the claim or assertion about some study, then the person better have that reference(s) or link(s) ready for others to see. Otherwise it's just fluff until shown otherwise by the person making the assertion about some study or data.
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it's also simple to do some research for yourself. It's much better that way because you will uncover fascinating stuff on your own and learn a new thing.

Going to a specific source when told to is a very limited way to truly understand this complex issue. All you will get is a bunch of quotes - most likely to be taken out of context for your argument so I highly recommend you to do some research on your own.

that way... nobody can claim an intellectual dishonesty in here :)
 
kokonut said:
Ah, but when it comes to making claims the responsibilty falls on the individual to provide those same study data should people request it. Not doing so leaves only one conclusion about the individual who do that sort of thing.
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the responsibility falls on both parties - one to provide the information and other to find out by himself. In this case - she has already gave you the starting points - notice the plural word.

now it's up to you to research by yourself.
 
Jiro said:
it's also simple to do some research for yourself. It's much better that way because you will uncover fascinating stuff on your own and learn a new thing.

Going to a specific source when told to is a very limited way to truly understand this complex issue. All you will get is a bunch of quotes - most likely to be taken out of context for your argument so I highly recommend you to do some research on your own.

that way... nobody can claim an intellectual dishonesty in here :)
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The fact of the matter is, several sources were noted in the first few posts in this thread. A link was also provided by a poster. Additionally, I have referred to a specific professional journal. So, what is being requested has already been provided.
 
jillio said:
The fact of the matter is, several sources were noted in the first few posts in this thread. A link was also provided by a poster. Additionally, I have referred to a specific professional journal. So, what is being requested has already been provided.
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I will check out the links and recommended books. Even though I know what's it's like to be discriminated against as a deaf woman, it's not the same as being discriminated against as a person of color. I have a lot to learn.
 
CJB said:
We all get caught up in that thinking sometimes. It doesn't matter what race we are. No one is exempt from it. The teacher that told me that story was black herself. But we constantly absorb that kind of thinking through ads, through movies where the main character is white and competent and has a "stupid black friend." The list of examples is endless.
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When I watch horror movies, it's always the black guy who's first to die.
 
deafskeptic said:
I will check out the links and recommended books. Even though I know what's it's like to be discriminated against as a deaf woman, it's not the same as being discriminated against as a person of color. I have a lot to learn.
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We can certainly draw parallels between white privilege and hearing privilege, though, which makes you more emapthetic to other forms of discrimination. For instance, the expectation that deaf students will not perform as well as hearing students on tasks involving abstract thinking. That stereotype tends to influence the way that deaf students are treated. Low expectations means that they often aren't challenged, and that less than stellar performance is the best they can do. It sets up a self fulfilling prophecy the same as the expectation that black students are generally underachievers does.

We all have a lot to learn from each other. The question is, are we willing to do so? I think most are open to it.
 
CJB said:
But we constantly absorb that kind of thinking through ads, through movies where the main character is white and competent and has a "stupid black friend." The list of examples is endless.
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another example - look at old movies like Police Academy and Miami Vice. The main characters were Caucasian and they held a more important role than their sidekicks who were person of color.
 
jillio said:
We can certainly draw parallels between white privilege and hearing privilege, though, which makes you more emapthetic to other forms of discrimination. For instance, the expectation that deaf students will not perform as well as hearing students on tasks involving abstract thinking. That stereotype tends to influence the way that deaf students are treated. Low expectations means that they often aren't challenged, and that less than stellar performance is the best they can do. It sets up a self fulfilling prophecy the same as the expectation that black students are generally underachievers does.

We all have a lot to learn from each other. The question is, are we willing to do so? I think most are open to it.
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That one annoys me to no end. Hearing are more likely to accept info from the hearing than the deaf population. It's especially blatant in the CI threads.
 
Jiro said:
another example - look at old movies like Police Academy and Miami Vice. The main characters were Caucasian and they held a more important role than their sidekicks who were person of color.
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Yes. Excellent examples, again. If we simpply open our minds and look, we can see how it pervades our very existence. Once we recognize it, we then need to stand up and say, "That's just wrong!"
 
Jiro said:
another example - look at old movies like Police Academy and Miami Vice. The main characters were Caucasian and they held a more important role than their sidekicks who were person of color.
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Hmm. I haven't thought about that but you're right.
 
deafskeptic said:
That one annoys me to no end. Hearing are more likely to accept info from the hearing than the deaf population. It's especially blatant in the CI threads.
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Yes. Just translate white privilege to hearing privilege.
 
Jiro said:
another example - look at old movies like Police Academy and Miami Vice. The main characters were Caucasian and they held a more important role than their sidekicks who were person of color.
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Do you ever get people who think you're smart simply because of your race?
 
correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Star Trek tv shows especially old version broke a lot of racial barriers. Who would have imagined there would be interracial relationship (Uhura and Spock) shown in tv? Who would have thought Caucasians would be commanded by a minority (Hulu) in American tv show?

kudo to Star Trek for making a bold effort where no Caucasian would ever do! :lol:
 
Jiro said:
correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Star Trek tv shows especially old version broke a lot of racial barriers. Who would have imagined there would be interracial relationship (Uhura and Spock) shown in tv? Who would have thought Caucasians would be commanded by a minority (Hulu) in American tv show?

kudo to Star Trek for making a bold effort where no Caucasian would ever do! :lol:
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Yes, I would agree that Star Trek made a statement regarding racial barriers. The only problem would be in them not reaching the wider audience.
 
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