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White smoke, bells signal selection of new pope
Tuesday, April 19, 2005 Posted: 12:13 PM EDT (1613 GMT)

VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- White smoke rose from a Sistine Chapel chimney and bells rang Tuesday, signaling the selection of a new pope.

Thousands of people in St. Peter's Square clapped and waved flags as the smoke billowed over Vatican City.

Suspense built as the throng waited for the symbolic ringing of bells, at which point the crowd broke into a roar of jubilation.

The 115 cardinals' morning ballots were burned at about 11:50 a.m. (5:50 a.m. EDT).

After each pair of votes, the ballots were burned in a stove at the Sistine Chapel, with the white smoke in the evening announcing to observers outside that a pope has been elected.

Black smoke had come from the chimney after the two morning votes.

Chemicals are added to the ballots to turn the smoke white or black.

The cardinals taking part in the conclave to elect a successor to Pope John Paul II began their first full day of voting after holding Mass in their living quarters at 7:30 a.m.

Locked away in the Sistine Chapel, the cardinals let it be known that no candidate won their first vote Monday evening, hours after a historic religious ceremony watched around the world.

As black smoke billowed Monday from a chimney atop the Sistine Chapel, the crowd of thousands outside cheered. (Full story)

"It was very exciting," said Richard Wall, an American in the crowd. "We had some drama tonight."

At first, the smoke's color appeared gray, and some thought it may have been white. But it quickly turned black. Also, John Paul II had decreed that white smoke be accompanied by the ringing of bells, to avoid a repeat of the confusion after his election in 1978.

Monday evening's smoke was emitted shortly after 8 p.m., about 2 1/2 hours after the chapel's doors were closed, marking the beginning of the conclave.

The closing of those large wooden doors ended an hour-long ritual that the Vatican televised live for the first time ever.

Oath of secrecy
Clad in crimson robes, shoulder capes and hats, the 115 cardinals from 52 countries walked from the Hall of Blessings into the Sistine Chapel as "The Litany of Saints" was sung.

Once the cardinals were inside, a choir and the cardinals themselves sang the invocation of the Holy Spirit, "Veni, Creator Spiritus."

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, dean of the College of Cardinals and considered a leading candidate for pope, recited a prayer and a message that included these words: "After having celebrated the divine mysteries, we now enter into conclave to elect the Roman pontiff, the whole church united with us in prayer."

Ratzinger led the group in an oath of secrecy, and each cardinal individually stepped up to a Book of Gospels, placed his hand on it and took another similar oath.

The cardinals also vowed to follow the rules listed by Pope John Paul II in the "Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominici Gregis," which laid out specific steps for the electoral process, including seclusion "in suitable places" within the Vatican and the use of secret ballots.

At the end, the master of the Pontifical Liturgical Celebration said "extra omnes" -- meaning "everyone out" -- signaling those not participating in the conclave to leave the Sistine Chapel. He then closed the doors, and the televised broadcast came to an end.

The cardinals then had a private meditation and one of them gave a speech before the ballots were handed out.

If the Vatican's plans succeed, there will be no indication of how the deliberations proceed, or who may be surfacing as leading "papabile," or candidates, before a new pontiff is selected.

The term conclave means "with a key" -- meaning the process takes place behind lock and key.

To win, a candidate needs two-thirds of the votes. If three days pass with no pope chosen, the cardinals will take a day of reflection and prayer before resuming balloting. And, under rules established by John Paul II, if no one has the required two-thirds majority after about 12 days, the cardinals can switch to a simple majority.

Speculation rife
There has been a great deal of speculation about who may be chosen to succeed John Paul II, who died April 2 at the age of 84, but cardinals have been mum.

Some taking part in the conclave said they are looking for a leader who presents a hopeful vision, who can "generate some dynamism and some optimism within Catholicism," CNN Vatican analyst John Allen said.

The first clues to the process of finding a successor were sought during the homily or sermon delivered by Ratzinger at Monday's public Mass.

"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the church, is often labeled today as a fundamentalism," Ratzinger said.

Allen said Ratzinger delivered a "very blunt" message for the church to "stay true to itself."

That was a strong indication that Ratzinger, 78, wants a "traditionalist" elected the next pope, Allen said.

John Paul was widely credited with extending the reach of the papacy. He spoke more than a dozen languages and set an unprecedented pattern of pastoral travel, drawing huge crowds all over the world.

He was also strictly traditional on issues of sexuality and the role of women in the church, which won him support among some Catholics but alienated others. Similar disagreement exists over the next pontiff's stances on issues such as birth control, stem cell research and the ordination of female priests.

The conclave will select the man who will be the 265th pontiff, although he will be the 263rd person to hold the post. One man, Benedict IX, served as pontiff three separate times nearly a millennium ago.
 
AMEN!

Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, is now our new Pope :)


No one can replace Pope John Paul but hope Pope Benedict will continue his unforgettable legacy. I also hope that this means a beginning of healing period for Roman Catholic Church.
 
Meg said:
AMEN!

Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, is now our new Pope :)


No one can replace Pope John Paul but hope Pope Benedict will continue his unforgettable legacy. I also hope that this means a beginning of healing period for Roman Catholic Church.
I wonder about his political stance. Does anyone know anything about Pope Benedict XVI?
 
I'm sure there will be more info on Pope Benedict XVI on what and where he stands. The reporter on CNN says he is a conservative!
 
I just saw that on the news during my lunch hour. He's very bright and I understand that he's the first German Pope in little over thousand years. After the Berlin Wall was knocked down, maybe the world will get better with the new (German) Pope. Though I missed Pope John II (Karol Josef Wojtyla). I wish Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI all the luck!
 
Magatsu said:
I wonder about his political stance. Does anyone know anything about Pope Benedict XVI?

Actually I am not quite sure but Ratzinger is a German traditionalist. He is deeply involved with teaching theology. I had hoped for Arzine, the Nigerian cardinal. I believed that Arzine would have closed the gap between Vatican and Third World if he was elected the Pope. Third World has the fastest growing of people converting to Roman Catholicism. But guess that Vatican is not quite ready for someone quite different. I was also fascinated by the other potential successor (forgot his name) who was born Jewish but converted to Catholicism. That would have also closed the gap.

Instead they picked conservative Ratzinger and I can see that while he is conserative, he is humble and people's person.
 
Meg said:
Actually I am not quite sure but Ratzinger is a German traditionalist. He is deeply involved with teaching theology. I had hoped for Arzine, the Nigerian cardinal. I believed that Arzine would have closed the gap between Vatican and Third World if he was elected the Pope. Third World has the fastest growing of people converting to Roman Catholicism. But guess that Vatican is not quite ready for someone quite different. I was also fascinated by the other potential successor (forgot his name) who was born Jewish but converted to Catholicism. That would have also closed the gap.
German traditionalist? Then I don't have anything to worry about. If from America as conservative, that will be troublesome for billlion people on earth. Well, I will see how it is and I am looking foward for his political stance... like on Iraq war, famine, etc.

And yeah, Catholicism is growing very fast. Faster than Christianity. I believe there is approx 1 billion or bit more than 1 billion of Catholics. That's good news. Thanks, Meg, for the information.
 
Meg said:
Instead they picked conservative Ratzinger and I can see that while he is conserative, he is humble and people's person.
One 'good' thing about that is: conservatism in America and other countries is different. Non-America conservatives often have good 'sense' of tradition and respect. Well, I cannot generalize but that's what I understand from Europeans PC members anyway.
 
Magatsu said:
One 'good' thing about that is: conservatism in America and other countries is different. Non-America conservatives often have good 'sense' of tradition and respect.
If I were you, I'd read more on the new pope of his POV on homosexuality and gay marriage!
 
Brian said:
If I were you, I'd read more on the new pope of his POV on homosexuality and gay marriage!
That's Catholicism belief, not conservatism. If I were you, I'd read more information on Catholicism!

Edit: Wait... no, I am wrong. That is conservatism. That may explain their incredibly close-mindedness!

Never mind about what I said about Catholicism, my memory just 'clicked' and correct my mistake.
 
Whoa that was quick! It took 3 days to elect Wojtyla as John Paul II.

So Ratzinger is now Pope Benedict XVI. Benedict XVI is considered more of a conservative in a part of John Paul II's mold.

I think the cardinals were looking for a transitional pope thus Ratzinger at age 78 would open the door for Rodriguez-Maradiaga or Schoenborn in the future.

I was hoping for either Arinze or Rodriguez-Maradiaga to be elected Pope, but I will accept Ratzinger as Benedict XVI.

I wish Pope Benedict XVI godepeed when he takes up the mantle as Pope and Archbishop of Rome.
 
btw, Brian, I dunno if you are able to detect my joke/sarcasm or not in my posts but I was joking about that. Actually, I couldn't care less about his beliefs but I do care about war and other things like famine.

sablescort, how long it usually take to elect as offical pope?
 
Magatsu said:
sablescort, how long it usually take to elect as offical pope?

ok it depends on the balloting. The person must have 2/3rds of the vote of all cardinals younger than 80. Balloting takes place 2 times 1 in morning, 1 in afternoon. Of 115 cardinal electors the winner must collect 77 votes.

John Paul II put out a new rule allowing election by simple majority if the conclave lasts more than 2 weeks. I dont think the new rule will be invoked in the future as we have seen Benedict XVI elected quick in 2 days. Be lucky we aint in the 13th century because one conclave lasted over 2 years!

Anyways I found out why Ratzinger chose Benedict XVI as his papal name:

from AOL news via AP...

If Ratzinger was paying tribute to the last pontiff named Benedict, it could be interpreted as a bid to soften his image as the Vatican's doctrinal hard-liner.

Benedict XV, who reigned from 1914 to 1922, was a moderate following Pius X, who had implemented a sharp crackdown against doctrinal ''modernism.'' He reigned during World War I and was credited with settling animosity between traditionalists and modernists, and dreamed of reunion with Orthodox Christians.

Benedict comes from the Latin for ''blessing'' and is one of a number of papal names of holy origin such as Clement (''mercy''), Innocent (''hopeful'' as well as ''innocent'') and Pius (''pious'').
 
You guys should write it down in case your children in the future...
asked you about what happened or do a report on this....

We made History now...
Pope Benedict became Pope today on April 19, 2005. :ily:
 
Miss*Pinocchio said:
You guys should write it down in case your children in the future...
asked you about what happened or do a report on this....

We made History now...
Pope Benedict became Pope today on April 19, 2005. :ily:

Eh, I don't need to. I highly doubt I'll have reports in my near or distant future. I'm not having kids.

:mrgreen:
 
The new Pope is 77 years old - seven years younger than John Paul II. It's highly likely we'll be seeing another new pope within 10 years.
 
oakbluffs said:
The new Pope is 77 years old - seven years younger than John Paul II. It's highly likely we'll be seeing another new pope within 10 years.

Exactly ....this is the reason why they call Pope Benedict XVI as " transitional " ..not officially but known anyway.

I still think they should have picked Arzine of Nigeria :( I guess they are not ready but hopefully the Church will be ready for something much more radical after this transitional time.
 
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