WWIII has begin?

Jiro said:
South Korea already has alliance with Japan, India, Malaysia, Mongolia, etc. Protection is not needed because China's not interested in war anyway.
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On point...Exactly.


Jiro said:
hint - it's just easier to nuke Asians than Caucasians... sssshhhhh
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If you're serious, I think that's a gross calculation. If it's a joke....can't really laugh...shameful behavior by our government during those times...internment camps...

I don't condone any nuking at all. Part of the argument to nuke Japan was to save American lives (and send a signal to Russia), even as Asian Americans were fighting in the Pacific. New technology, extremely powerful, some ambitious generals, not a whole of cons to not drop the bomb.
 
Jiro said:
correct me if I'm wrong -
about 195,000 American soldiers died fighting against Germans
about 105,000 American soldiers died fighting against Japaneses
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I'm not sure how those figures were derived.

Anyway, that's not relevant to the reason why the nuke bombs weren't used on Germany.

why nuke Japan and not Germany?
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Germany surrendered before it was necessary to threaten them with nukes. Germany surrendered in May 1945, and the first test of a nuclear bomb wasn't until July 1945. The Germans surrendered before the bombs were even ready.

Japan could have surrendered after the conventional carpet bombing but they didn't. They could have surrendered after the first nuke bomb but they didn't.

The Allies didn't want to be bogged down in a long guerrilla type war on the ground in Japan, where they would suffer many more casualties. Their experience from previous island fighting showed what they might expect to confront.

let's face it. The Caucasians thought poorly of Asian people. The past 3 consecutive wars were Asian conflicts - WW2 (Japan), Korean War, and Vietnam War. It was handled poorly.
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How did Japanese troops treat Allied troops that they captured?

How did Japanese troops treat Chinese military and civilians (especially in Nanking)?

Which country attacked America's territory and people?

Is there any wonder that Americans might have "thought poorly" of Japan?

But that's not the reason it was nuked and Germany was not.

The decision by Truman was tactical, not emotional or personal.

The Korean and Vietnam wars came after WWII, so that's not relevant.
 
craigm26 said:
I don't condone any nuking at all. Part of the argument to nuke Japan was to save American lives (and send a signal to Russia), even as Asian Americans were fighting in the Pacific. New technology, extremely powerful, some ambitious generals, not a whole of cons to not drop the bomb.
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The bombing shortened the war and lessened the risk for the Asian-American military members, too, don't forget.
 
Reba said:
The bombing shortened the war and lessened the risk for the Asian-American military members, too, don't forget.
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Precisely...it doesn't mean that I agree with dropping nukes on mostly civilians though...

I'm just saying there were Asian-American military members and it's sort of ironic that their lives were potentially spared. (some argue that Japan was close to surrender before the nukes were dropped, so it was "pointless").
 
Reba said:
I'm not sure how those figures were derived.

Anyway, that's not relevant to the reason why the nuke bombs weren't used on Germany.


Germany surrendered before it was necessary to threaten them with nukes. Germany surrendered in May 1945, and the first test of a nuclear bomb wasn't until July 1945. The Germans surrendered before the bombs were even ready.

Japan could have surrendered after the conventional carpet bombing but they didn't. They could have surrendered after the first nuke bomb but they didn't.

The Allies didn't want to be bogged down in a long guerrilla type war on the ground in Japan, where they would suffer many more casualties. Their experience from previous island fighting showed what they might expect to confront.


How did Japanese troops treat Allied troops that they captured?

How did Japanese troops treat Chinese military and civilians (especially in Nanking)?

Which country attacked America's territory and people?

Is there any wonder that Americans might have "thought poorly" of Japan?

But that's not the reason it was nuked and Germany was not.

The decision by Truman was tactical, not emotional or personal.

The Korean and Vietnam wars came after WWII, so that's not relevant.
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the fact that we didn't use nuke in Vietnam is because Truman wished he never authorized it. The Presidents after Truman saw this too. Too bad you can't unring the bell. Robert Oppenheimer lived his life with regret. so sad...

What America did was wrong. If it meant another 100,000 American soldiers' lives to win against the Japanese - then so be it.
 
Reba said:
The bombing shortened the war and lessened the risk for the Asian-American military members, too, don't forget.
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at the expense of Japanese civilians' lives? The damage is still felt to this date. 2 major sites full of radiation. That's like NYC + Chicago. unlivable.
 
Reba said:
What "seniors?"
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I met quite a few of them. A lot of children who grew up during WW2 and other Asian wars grew up with a strong disdain of the Asians.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be calling them Japs, Goons, Yellow, etc would they?
 
Banjo said:
I met quite a few of them. A lot of children who grew up during WW2 and other Asian wars grew up with a strong disdain of the Asians.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be calling them Japs, Goons, Yellow, etc would they?
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same with Korean seniors including my grandma. They have a strong disdain toward Japanese people because of cruel Japanese occupation for 30 years. That's why you won't find any Japanese product in Korea. Not a single Honda.
 
Jiro said:
the fact that we didn't use nuke in Vietnam is because Truman wished he never authorized it. The Presidents after Truman saw this too. Too bad you can't unring the bell. Robert Oppenheimer lived his life with regret. so sad...

What America did was wrong. If it meant another 100,000 American soldiers' lives to win against the Japanese - then so be it.
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Who were the Americans fighting in "Vietnam"?

It was a proxy war...by the time the French got their butts kicked, Russia had their own stockpile of nukes. And don't forget about the Bay of Pigs/Cuban Missile Crisis :)shock: I almost peed my pants when I read about that story). Tit for Tat is scary.
 
Jiro said:
at the expense of Japanese civilians' lives? The damage is still felt to this date. 2 major sites full of radiation. That's like NYC + Chicago. unlivable.
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Apparently the Japanese leadership didn't care or else they would have surrendered sooner.
 
Banjo said:
I met quite a few of them. A lot of children who grew up during WW2 and other Asian wars grew up with a strong disdain of the Asians.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be calling them Japs, Goons, Yellow, etc would they?
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exactly...generational "gaps"...attitudes...takes time for misconceptions/stereotypes to melt. Chinese Exclusion Act was an official law from the US specifically targeting Chinese. It re-inforced that idea of having the social stereotypes of Chinese (Asians) in place.
 
Reba said:
Apparently the Japanese leadership didn't care or else they would have surrendered sooner.
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because they didn't think the Americans would kill hundreds of thousands of civilians in a flash of eye.
 
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