WWIII has begin?

Steinhauer said:
You are still wrong and Abrams is still right.

In fact, as I recall, I mentioned Bradley Manning.

But, if you insist and upon your approval and signature, Assange will be included too.
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Bradley Manning should be charged with treason. Not Assange.
 
Reba said:
Also not true. Do you know about Stalin and Mao?

The worst genocides of the 20th Century
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There is a difference behind the the deaths of the people involved.
Mao's circled around the order of events during his communist revolution and establishment of China, simply said, which is why you don't see as many people (Chinese descent of course) hating on Mao as much as they do for the massacre during the Sino Japan wars.
Similar chain of thought follows for South Korea in terms of appreciation of Japan.

Stalin had ulterior motives for his killings. I actually don't know how native Russians feel about Stalin, I should ask a few next time.
 
Jiro said:
*pat pat pat* on your head. Just sit and watch more news to unfold before your eyes as it slowly crumbles your fantasy.
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Wasn't it just last week that you said the only reason North Korea had nukes was because of the U.S. threatening North Korea?

*cough*

Um ... about that fantasy of yours ...
 
Steinhauer said:
Wasn't it just last week that you said the only reason North Korea had nukes was because of the U.S. threatening North Korea?

*cough*

Um ... about that fantasy of yours ...
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have you found any that disputes otherwise?
 
I see what you're doing there, Steinhauer. You think you're clever like Chris Wallace? :aw:

it would work better for you if you actually have well-founded facts and history knowledge but you don't :cool2:
 
naisho said:
There is a difference behind the the deaths of the people involved.
Mao's circled around the order of events during his communist revolution and establishment of China, simply said, which is why you don't see as many people (Chinese descent of course) hating on Mao as much as they do for the massacre during the Sino Japan wars.
Similar chain of thought follows for South Korea in terms of appreciation of Japan.

Stalin had ulterior motives for his killings. I actually don't know how native Russians feel about Stalin, I should ask a few next time.
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Can you recommend a good book on Mao/Chinese history?

For Stalin/USSR: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Lenins-Tomb-Last-Soviet-Empire/dp/0679751254]Amazon.com: Lenin's Tomb: The Last Days of the Soviet Empire (9780679751250): David Remnick: Books[/ame]
 
Jiro said:
I don't see it.
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You don't think it's obvious by the way the Japanese conducted themselves during WWII that they wouldn't hesitate to use nuclear bombs if they had them?

Maybe it's you that's wearing blinders. :dunno:


it's ok for us to nuke them that kills hundreds of thousands civilians but it's not ok for them to attack our country via conventional warfare. but hey... we can agree to disagree on how America should conducted itself during war. The Americans voted Truman to lead us and that's the decision he made for us and we have to live with it.
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The Pearl Harbor attack was done prior to a declaration of war.

The nuclear attacks were made as part of the conduct of a declared war, and they were given many opportunities to surrender prior to that.

It's futile to try to rationalize every military decision that the American President makes. Sometimes they made bad mistake. Sometimes their decisions are morally and ethically questionable.
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We're not talking about "every" military decision.

I don't believe in blind patriotism.
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Neither do I.

That goes for both sides on the war.
 
Steinhauer said:
"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his."
— George S. Patton Jr.
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Sad, but true.

(I don't think he said "guy" but the point's the same.)
 
Reba said:
The statement these refer to is that the Japanese leaders would have made the same decision as Truman if they had the chance.

I hope you can see that they would have.
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You mean the same Japanese that did that secret attack that dragged us into a global war .... those japanese?

Nah .... never.
 
Jiro said:
Bradley Manning should be charged with treason. Not Assange.
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Assange can be charged under the Espionage Act .... wanna know why?

WikiLeaks founder could be charged under Espionage Act


The last time Espionage Act of 1917 charges were filed was 2005 .... but .... but ... you said it was repealed so it must be so.

"That language is not only the right thing to do policy-wise but puts the government in a position to prosecute him," Smith said. Under the Espionage Act, anyone who has "unauthorized possession to information relating to the national defense" and has reason to believe it could harm the United States may be prosecuted if he publishes it or "willfully" retains it when the government has demanded its return, Smith said.
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The US attorney general, Eric Holder, announced yesterday that the justice department and Pentagon are conducting "an active, ongoing criminal investigation" into the latest Assange-facilitated leak under Washington's Espionage Act.

It was not immediately clear whether Holder was referring to Bradley Manning, the dissident US private suspected of being the original source of the leak, or Assange. The inquiry by US federal authorities is made tricky by Assange's citizenship – he is Australian – and the antediluvian nature of the law's pre-internet-era 1917 statutes.

WikiLeaks: Interpol issues wanted notice for Julian Assange | Media | guardian.co.uk
 
craigm26 said:
the us attorney general, eric holder, announced yesterday that the justice department and pentagon are conducting "an active, ongoing criminal investigation" into the latest assange-facilitated leak under washington's espionage act.

It was not immediately clear whether holder was referring to bradley manning, the dissident us private suspected of being the original source of the leak, or assange. The inquiry by us federal authorities is made tricky by assange's citizenship – he is australian – and the antediluvian nature of the law's pre-internet-era 1917 statutes.

wikileaks: Interpol issues wanted notice for julian assange | media | guardian.co.uk
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ta - da !
 
Reba said:
You don't think it's obvious by the way the Japanese conducted themselves during WWII that they wouldn't hesitate to use nuclear bombs if they had them?

Maybe it's you that's wearing blinders. :dunno:
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by your logic - North Korea would have nuked Japan/South Korea already. Pakistan would have nuked India already. Iran would have nuked Israel already. and..... Soviet would have nuked us already.

but they didn't...

the only country who has nuked other country is USA.
 
Steinhauer said:
Assange can be charged under the Espionage Act .... wanna know why?

WikiLeaks founder could be charged under Espionage Act


The last time Espionage Act of 1917 charges were filed was 2005 .... but .... but ... you said it was repealed so it must be so.
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um... you might want to compare the legal definitions of 1917 and current version to see the difference :wave:

by your logic - entire news organizations should be charged with espionage for distributing classified information
 
jiro said:
by your logic - north korea would have nuked japan/south korea already. Pakistan would have nuked india already. Iran would have nuked israel already. And..... Soviet would have nuked us already.

But they didn't...

The only country who has nuked other country is usa.
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u.s.a.! U.s.a.! U.s.a.!
 
Today there are so many problems. I use to wonder who could help the world, and the reality that I learned, is that no man can bring peace to the whole works or even one city. However as I studied with Jehovah's Witness I learned that only Jehovah God could bring peace to t the world and n his due time he will cause people to"learn war no more". But only Jehovah can do this,not man. Micah 4:3, psalms 37:9,10,11.
 
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