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Mookie said:Most of Chrisitans have wrong perspectives about Hindu....
Care to explain what's your perspective about Hindu ?
Mookie said:Most of Chrisitans have wrong perspectives about Hindu....
CyberRed said:Teresh --
FYI, Jesus was never drunk in His entire life. He was very Humble man among His people on this earth before crucifixion. Show me where did it say that He was drunk in the bible ?
Momoftwo said:Teresh-
Just curious about yourself......
Are you deaf or hard of hearing or hearing?
Teresh said:I identify as hard of hearing.
I am 60% deaf in both ears, though the percentage isn't the most accurate way of describing it. I can hear low tones easily even without a hearing aid while I can't hear high tones at all.
Because your posts are so full of anger, bitterness, and harsh language.Teresh said:What's to say that I haven't?
Reba said:Debating doesn't need to include insult. The mocking and cutting down come from something other than presenting a case. There is bitterness at the root.
Then you can't make that presumption. That's called libel.Teresh said:It doesn't say it anywhere in the text...
Not all Jews drank fermented wine. Jews who took the Nazarite vows were forbidden the fruit of the vine.but given the time period and his being a Jew...
In other words, you're just making it up. Nothing in the Bible says that Jesus was drunk. The Bible does say that Jesus was without sin. It also says that drunkeness is sin. So, if drunkeness is sin, and Jesus was without sin, then Jesus was NOT drunk.So did he ever get drunk, even once? We don't know, but a lot can happen in thirty years, so I don't doubt it.
I have to monitor that with myself, too.Teresh said:... I have, at times, been out of line with the way that I've phrased things about individuals, and I'll stop that because it doesn't really reflect how I feel.
That's fair enough. I think that can be accomplished without insulting individuals, or groups of indivduals.That said, I will not relent with critical statements or questions I ask; That is not my way. You defend your beliefs, I'll defend mine.
Reba said:Then you can't make that presumption. That's called libel.
Teresh said:Edit: Note that when I say "shallow" I mean it literally--lack of depth. Christianity is an easy religion to follow, but as a consequence of that, it's not very deep.
AMEN! I planned put verses here you good beat me up LOL!Reba said:Then you can't make that presumption. That's called libel.
Not all Jews drank fermented wine. Jews who took the Nazarite vows were forbidden the fruit of the vine.
Numbers 6
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD: 3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
Remember Samson...
Judges 13
7 But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.
...and John the Baptist
Luke 1
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. 14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. 15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
In other words, you're just making it up. Nothing in the Bible says that Jesus was drunk. The Bible does say that Jesus was without sin. It also says that drunkeness is sin. So, if drunkeness is sin, and Jesus was without sin, then Jesus was NOT drunk.
Rose Immortal said:I wouldn't call Christianity easy to follow if one takes its commandments seriously. In fact, I find that it becomes an extreme challenge. To humble myself before God to the degree required is not easy, and while it may be embarrassing to say so, I am still to this day having a lot of trouble with it. I'm not a trusting person regardless of what it may seem, nor am I someone comfortable with letting others in the driver's seat even when they're eminently more qualified. I hope this hasn't made me come off as a jerk...I'm just being up-front about my flaws. I don't think I'm a jerk--but I am FAR from perfect and at least THIS Christian can say it ain't easy.
About the issue of Jesus "drinking", I can say that alcoholic beverages were VERY common in those days, but typically far weaker than anything that would be served in a bar. The reason for those low levels of alcohol was to kill bacteria in the water, so I would think most people back then would've partaken of that just for the sake of their health. However, getting drunk off of something like that would be challenging, to say the least. You'd probably drown from excess water in the system before you'd get any more than a slight bit tipsy. I might exaggerate a LITTLE, but the point is you'd have to REALLY work at it to get drunk off of the typical ancient beverage.
I'd also like to make a final point that Christianity does not mean that one should not think or question and it irks me when people try to say that it is. In fact, I believe we are encouraged to do so because faith in full understanding of what you're getting into is much more important than blind faith. I'd point to the case of Mary (Magdalene?) seeking instruction from Jesus even though it was forbidden by tradition for women in those days. He rewarded and encouraged her for it even though her sister called her to (on? am I mixing a metaphor?) the carpet for it. Jesus also had a chance to cast St. Thomas out when he questioned on multiple occasions, and while He said that ultimately one has to trust, you'll notice He DID try to give St. Thomas some guidance. I think He understood that St. Thomas questioned out of a genuine need for understanding and comfort, not out of a mocking spirit.
"Study to show thyself approved, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."I do think one should think and question as long as mockery is not the intent of it, but rather honest learning.
I question you, why jewish denied and removed Isaiah 53 in Bible? They are very blind Abraham came promised the land through Jesus Christ. Amen! Jesus is Jew too.Throwstones said:I was raised up in my jewish home. I totally understood what Judaism means but can misteach the jews against the Messiah Y'shua (jewish way to say Jesus). Rabbis won't show the truly truth to Jews about Isaiah 53 which spoke about Messiah suffered for our sins!
Jesus is true Rabbi and Messiah; he did celebrate Hanukkah, Passover and jewish holidsays. He did go with his parents to their synagogue. He was 12 years old to speak with the highly rabbis. They shocked how Jesus was.. He is truly Son of GOD and Messiah, Prophet! No doubt about Jesus' raising up in Judaism background. He is really Kosher Lamb of GOD!
Christianity is in Judaism is because in past time, David, Moses, Jacob, Joseph, Abraham, and others knew that Messiah will come here on the earth is JESUS according to the fulfillment of prophecy. No doubt! He already here and died on the cross for our sins that paid off our debts! Therefore He is truly Kosher Lamb of GOD already saved us thru His blood shed from death through passover times!
Why Rabbi misteach the jews is because the Rabbis KNEW that JESUS is true Son of GOD and Messiah... They wanted to hide the truth!!! and NOT WANT JEWS TO BELIEVE IN JESUS! WHAT A SHAMEFUL ON RABBIS!
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Throwstones said:I totally understood what Judaism means but can misteach the jews against the Messiah Y'shua (jewish way to say Jesus). Rabbis won't show the truly truth to Jews about Isaiah 53 which spoke about Messiah suffered for our sins!
Throwstones said:Jesus is true Rabbi and Messiah; he did celebrate Hanukkah, Passover and jewish holidsays.
Throwstones said:He did go with his parents to their synagogue.
Throwstones said:He was 12 years old to speak with the highly rabbis.
Throwstones said:Christianity is in Judaism is because in past time, David, Moses, Jacob, Joseph, Abraham, and others knew that Messiah will come here on the earth is JESUS according to the fulfillment of prophecy.
Throwstones said:No doubt! He already here and died on the cross for our sins that paid off our debts! Therefore He is truly Kosher Lamb of GOD already saved us thru His blood shed from death through passover times!
Throwstones said:Why Rabbi misteach the jews is because the Rabbis KNEW that JESUS is true Son of GOD and Messiah... They wanted to hide the truth!!! and NOT WANT JEWS TO BELIEVE IN JESUS! WHAT A SHAMEFUL ON RABBIS!
sculleywr said:That and the wine they did use was kosher in the way that the ingredients were there, it just hadn't been allowed to ferment.
EagleCherokee63 said:I question you, why jewish denied and removed Isaiah 53 in Bible?
EagleCherokee63 said:They are very blind Abraham came promised the land through Jesus Christ.
EagleCherokee63 said:Jesus was never drunk! KJV Bible said here it made sense.
Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Deuteronomy 29:6 Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I [am] the LORD your God.
1Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.