Why my wife and I want our children to hear and speak a little.

What that really means is........

gnulinuxman,

I find it unusual that you are "speaking" for other people.

I suppose I could presume that there is some "behind the scene" clarification going on.... but indeed this approach strikes me as... well simply peculiar. :dunno:

jmo
 
Boult said:
Hmm I can see the evidence of crab theory happening right here in this thread exhibted by two members who refused to let fragementer be...

There's no use convincing fragmenter that oral approaches is useless...
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Where did I say that oral speech is useless? :dunno:
 
swatting??

greema said:
(swatting at that pesky gnat)
:smash:
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Give up!!! we are 1 day going to multiple so much that you'll get bug sick and a very very very sore arm. I aint lying!! Because we aint leaving this forum.

Deaflinuxgeek
 
I'm sorry I must have missed this thread here, Fragmenter you're only doing what best for your children, don't worry about what others thinks and I think you and your wife are doing a great job! I might would have done the same thing as you and your wife did if I had a deaf child myself...

:)
 
deaflinxgeek, can you NOT undy that we advocate a FULL communication toolbox for dhh kids? A full one. One where dhh kids can pick which tools THEY themselves want to use! I've heard of kids who were introduced to BOTH ASL and speech, and who then decide to forgo ASL, and be oral communicators. Yes, there's the danger of oral ed being audist.....BUT oralism isn't automaticly audist! It just introduces another useful tool. Yes, I know of those parents who are deep in denial, and who just want their kids to be healthy and normal.....but there are just as many parents who are 100% OK with Sign, but they just want their kids to have oral skills! That's b/c a lot of times hearing parents may think that a TC ed doesn't concentrate enough on oral skills, or b/c the private oral programs are the only ones that produce kids with semidecent speech or language!
 
^Angel^ said:
I'm sorry I must have missed this thread here, Fragmenter you're only doing what best for your children, don't worry about what others thinks and I think you and your wife are doing a great job! I might would have done the same thing as you and your wife did if I had a deaf child myself...

:)
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I understand that's what he's trying to do. The only problem I have with him and his mom is that they can't argue a point without personally attacking anyone who doesn't agree with them.
 
greema said:
There's no use convincing fragmenter that oral approaches is useless...
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Who said that? Please show some quotes and links before making such a claim.
greema said:
fragmenter is not trying to impose oral only on his kids.. he wants to add oral approaches into theirs kids. It seems that two members in this threads is trying to prevent that from happening..

well why?
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This is a FORUM. In case you forgot, none of us can prevent you or your son from doing anything outside of this forum.
greema said:
i have been seeing that from the same two members and i'm shaking my head wondering why they are trying SO hard to make fragmenter into the people they are -- shame on them! :whip: (fragmenter had even told them not to rile me!!!!!)
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There's no need for personal attacks here.
 
gnulinuxman said:
I understand that's what he's trying to do. The only problem I have with him and his mom is that they can't argue a point without personally attacking anyone who doesn't agree with them.
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Everything is a personal attack to you. When your voice stops squeaking, when you drop a set of balls and grow a thicker skin, come back and we'll talk more.

I bet you get picked on all the time at school.
 
gnulinuxman said:
I understand that's what he's trying to do. The only problem I have with him and his mom is that they can't argue a point without personally attacking anyone who doesn't agree with them.
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His mom? I didn't know his mom is here... :dunno:
 
Audiofuzzy,
I still think that parents really shouldn't be up in arms about speech vs. Sign.
The parents need to expose their kids to a full range of choices. Like speech first is OK, if the child is being carefully monitored in terms of risk for speech failure and if they learn sign relatively early.....
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oops I didn't noticed that earlier, sorry.
with me is not speech vs sign. I believe both should be provided and both should be wanted to be learned as best as possible. and not to just be "fair" to "each other" but just to accquire the best skills in both.
and once again I don't even think it is so important to be able to speak well - I believe more important is to know good English.

Fuzzy
 
gnulinuxman said:
Who said that? Please show some quotes and links before making such a claim.
This is a FORUM. In case you forgot, none of us can prevent you or your son from doing anything outside of this forum.
There's no need for personal attacks here.
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you quoted wrong person.. tsk tsk tsk
 
both should be wanted to be learned as best as possible. and not to just be "fair" to "each other" but just to accquire the best skills in both.
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AMEN!!! I mean research has indicated that most oral sucesses are the product of the private oral schools! You almost HAVE to send your kid to an oral school, if you want them to have decent speech/language skills.
 
^Angel^ said:
His mom? I didn't know his mom is here... :dunno:
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hello ^angel^ -- this is his mom -- maybe you will understand better why i have a personal interest in this thread -- i used to be very anti-CI, but after fragmenter vp'd us my husband and i opened our minds up and were very receptive to the idea of our grandson getting implanted -- and i am trying to read up on this subject and know everything i need to know -- and this is a very informative experience

my hubby and i are first generation deaf so that should give you a good idea (my husband went to the state school for the deaf and i was raised oral and started using ASL at the age of 13 or 14 BUT went into the public school in 6th grade and graduated high school without an interpreter)

we put our deaf children into a mainstream setting -- fragmenter has a younger sister who's also deaf -- our deafness is genetic according to Gallaudet's research

this should explain a lot about our family
 
Boult said:
you quoted wrong person.. tsk tsk tsk
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hi boult -- yes, i noticed that too -- people are careless about reading posts here and i think that is the biggest reason why there's all this arguing on here -- they need to read more carefully and think before posting!
:whistle:
 
greema said:
hello ^angel^ -- this is his mom -- maybe you will understand better why i have a personal interest in this thread -- i used to be very anti-CI, but after fragmenter vp'd us my husband and i opened our minds up and were very receptive to the idea of our grandson getting implanted -- and i am trying to read up on this subject and know everything i need to know -- and this is a very informative experience

my hubby and i are first generation deaf so that should give you a good idea (my husband went to the state school for the deaf and i was raised oral and started using ASL at the age of 13 or 14 BUT went into the public school in 6th grade and graduated high school without an interpreter)

we put our deaf children into a mainstream setting -- fragmenter has a younger sister who's also deaf -- our deafness is genetic according to Gallaudet's research

this should explain a lot about our family
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Hi there Greema and welcome to AD! :)


I can understand where you and your husband are coming from on this, I used to be against CI myself is because I did not know much about those implants, and I've started learning about them even more from forums and several web sites even though I may not be comfortable seeing babies being implanted with CI but for small children I don't mind even though I've read so many wonderful stories about young deaf children being implanted with CI and how it helped many deaf children being able to hear quite more than the use of hearing aids, also it helps them with their language skills as well, I've seen so many facts and good results even it took me a long time to finally see the light ha, but it's worth the experiences and learning from others by listening to some of the parents and understanding why they choose CI for their deaf children, I think it's wonderful and they're only doing what best for their children that all there is....

I hope in time that others will understand where these parents are coming from also but I think it will take a few baby steps before they will be able to accept CI in the deaf culture and allowing these parents to make a choice for their own deaf children but only God knows when that will happen :)...

I'm glad you are able to understand where your son was coming from on this and his reasons, sometimes it's hard to keep an open mind on alot of things that are out there, but that's only if people are willing to listen and learn , maybe it wouldn't be so hard to associate with as well as accepting this within the Deaf community..


And thank you for sharing about your family and yes, I agree that this is very informative....
 
hi angel...

(i see you have been a member of a.d. for a long time -- i'm just a newbie)

i agree with you about NOT implanting in babies -- like fragmenter explained to me, his son wore the best hearing aids with NO improvements over a few years and that CI is the absolutely last step -- and i think cloggy said the same thing about his little girl

and one point frag made was it is best to implant while the child is young (vs. waiting for them to grow older and decide for themselves and thus making the learning/training process longer because they're older -- i don't know if i'm expressing this clear enough -- what i understand is the younger the better -- not as intensive training if implanted later)

i'm gonna be around -- there are a lot of good people on the a.d.
 
LOL yep I've been a member here for quite a long time, but there are times I'm no angel heh..

You're doing a good job even though you're just a newbie, but glad to hear you're planning on staying here in AD, which I agree that there are quite many wonderful members here..

I agree with everything you said above as well too :) and again it was a pleasure meeting ya Greema ;)


Forgive me for going a bit off the topic here :whistle:
 
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