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Hi,
Where is Angel's thread about abortion? I would like to read it.
Momoftwo
Where is Angel's thread about abortion? I would like to read it.
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I had to ask one of the moderator to lock and removed it because it upset some of the Aders...
I didn't mean to, I guess the way the pictures were post and It was only to education what abortion was like but some of the pictures may bring back some memories, and for that I'm sorry....
I didn't mean to, I guess the way the pictures were post and It was only to education what abortion was like but some of the pictures may bring back some memories, and for that I'm sorry....
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Mod Note:
It was closed and moved....
Although, the subject for which the thread pertains is highly educational and the photos being an eye-opener to some, even if it's a controversial issue at that....
I can only suggest that another thread can be created with links posted of the photos and let AD'ers choose if they wishes to see the photos that may deem graphic....
*off-mod mode*
I do know that ^Angel^ was only trying to be informative and in no way trying to pinpoint anyone's abortion or bring up a past abortion that was done, I see she has apologized on that behalf, the issues of abortion can be very difficult and I believe she was only trying to reach and teach others of 'future' decisions, etc.,....
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It was closed and moved....
Although, the subject for which the thread pertains is highly educational and the photos being an eye-opener to some, even if it's a controversial issue at that....
I can only suggest that another thread can be created with links posted of the photos and let AD'ers choose if they wishes to see the photos that may deem graphic....
*off-mod mode*
I do know that ^Angel^ was only trying to be informative and in no way trying to pinpoint anyone's abortion or bring up a past abortion that was done, I see she has apologized on that behalf, the issues of abortion can be very difficult and I believe she was only trying to reach and teach others of 'future' decisions, etc.,....
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Hi Roadrunner, I would like to see the thread and when I was in my mom's womb. My mom said no to the doctors then here I am, a living proof.
I did not get a chance to see that thread. Where is the thread please?
I am sure it will be educative too as I understand the photos was meant as a tool of education. Thank you, Heath
I did not get a chance to see that thread. Where is the thread please?
I am sure it will be educative too as I understand the photos was meant as a tool of education. Thank you, Heath
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Roadrunner , Are you really super moderator or what ? 
{Mod Edit: Yes I am, scroll down on the Forum main page and click on 'Forum Leaders' to see the list of Moderators here in Alldeaf.com
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Thanks for the valuable information
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{Mod Edit: Yes I am, scroll down on the Forum main page and click on 'Forum Leaders' to see the list of Moderators here in Alldeaf.com
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Heath said:
I don't think it is necessary to bring it back because one of the photo almost a full term pregnancy and It brought back memories of the time I had the abortion at 5 months, It was too upsetting for me. Please understand that it very hard to not look at the photos if you been in my shoes, You would understand. I can see that ^Angel^ meant no harm, nor to even intend to hurt someone's feeling. I'm sure she wasn't aware that it would effect some of us who already had an abortion.
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Cheri said:I don't think it is necessary to bring it back because one of the photo almost a full term pregnancy and It brought back memories of the time I had the abortion at 5 months, It was too upsetting for me. Please understand that it very hard to not look at the photos if you been in my shoes, You would understand. I can see that ^Angel^ meant no harm, nor to even intend to hurt someone's feeling. I'm sure she wasn't aware that it would effect some of us who already had an abortion.
I'm sorry to hear that ... I hope you feel better again soon ..
Cheri said:I don't think it is necessary to bring it back because one of the photo almost a full term pregnancy and It brought back memories of the time I had the abortion at 5 months, It was too upsetting for me. Please understand that it very hard to not look at the photos if you been in my shoes, You would understand. I can see that ^Angel^ meant no harm, nor to even intend to hurt someone's feeling. I'm sure she wasn't aware that it would effect some of us who already had an abortion.
Yeah I can understand that really, I didn't even think of that first which I should have, and if it okay with you if I only provide the links of the pictures instead of posting the pictures in the open?...That way others have a choice either click the link to view the pictures or not.....
I only created that thread just to education others about abortion, when I had no idea how or what they do.....cause I didn't learn that back in school, and was surprise that they have web sites that you can find information and pictures of what its like.....
What do you think or the others?....Please don't jump on me, I feel bad about this already
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^Angel^ said:Yeah I can understand that really, I didn't even think of that first which I should have, and if it okay with you if I only provide the links of the pictures instead of posting the pictures in the open?...That way others have a choice either click the link to view the pictures or not.....
What do you think or the others?....Please don't jump on me, I feel bad about this already
Better , Roadrunner should delete this thread too.. Let everyone go other threads... Have you heard me, Roadrunner ?
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Roadrunner said:
Yeah, I can understand what she was tryin' to reach and teach others of "future" decisions, etc., but I don't think it is a good idea to post some "graphics" like the ones she previously posted. I can sense that it would upset others, because it did happened to me before when I was a teen. I think it would be a good idea if, she posts a "clean" ones ( like the ones she used comics ), not that ones that shown "blood" and, the "real" dead babies -it was horrifyin' to see and THAT would upset to some includin' me.
I am sorry, Roadrunner for tellin' you this. I do agree to some if, they disagree about postin' the "actual" photos of "bloody" & "deceased" babies. I don't mind about "comic" without showin' blood and stuff.
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ecevit said:
I see no reason or any justification for closing this thread--
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^Angel^ said:
Don't feel bad! you're not a bad person.. I understand what you're saying.. I never knew anything about abortion when i was young either. I learned this from my cousin when she was pregnant at 18 and had an abortion.. i was kinda upset with her but she explained to me why she had to do it.. so i completely understand why she did it.. but when she went to the dr.. she found out she was having twins.. they wouldn't do it cuz she was 3 months pregnant and had to go to atlanta, ga to have the abortion.. she thought long and hard about this.. and decided to have it. she was in an abusive relationship.. her ex boyfriend was going to kill the babies anyways. he punched her stomach so many times, that tells you the rest. he followed her everywhere she went doesn't matter if she tries to hide. he still finds her. so she was scared for the babies. its been 10 years now. she told me not long ago that she still think about it. and regret it but it was for the best.
that was the first to me that i learned something which i didn't learn in high school. it would have been interesting in reading it.
you're not a bad person.. everyone has their own opinions..
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Hi,
Oh, ok...I didn't see it but I did see the words like "How do you feel about abortion?" then I clicked it and it was gone.
Yeah, talk about abortion is a very sticky one. Girls/women made mistakes when they had abortion. Only if you ask God to forgive you, then He will forgive you and no more. If you continue to abort the babies a lot like 2 or 3 or 4 times to abort the babies then God would be very angry.
I'm very sorry for some girls/women to get pregnant by unexpected and caused them to want to abort the babies due to no money or embarrassed or etc. This is really unfortunately.
Momofto
(thanks for giving me your comments about other thread)
Oh, ok...I didn't see it but I did see the words like "How do you feel about abortion?" then I clicked it and it was gone.
Yeah, talk about abortion is a very sticky one. Girls/women made mistakes when they had abortion. Only if you ask God to forgive you, then He will forgive you and no more. If you continue to abort the babies a lot like 2 or 3 or 4 times to abort the babies then God would be very angry.
I'm very sorry for some girls/women to get pregnant by unexpected and caused them to want to abort the babies due to no money or embarrassed or etc. This is really unfortunately.
Momofto
(thanks for giving me your comments about other thread)
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CyberRed said:
Perhaps you're not getting the gist of what CAN be done in a 'new' thread...instead of posting the photos openly, links would be provided for anyone who chooses to open such photos while such a warning is also implied, therefore, leaving the decision to AD'ers if they wishes to see such photos, afterall, it's true, the photos can be disturbing and upsetting to anyone who may see those, YET, bottom line: 'It's reality'...it may or may not be something someone down the road might reconsider when it comes to abortion--
Yes, it's quite horrifying and deplorable to see such photos, but why 'hide' it? It's there and for those who wishes to see, the choice is 'theirs' to make, no need to 'censor' the acts of what abortion is or what takes place...thus, each one of us can make the choice to 'see' it or not if such links were provided...while others can simply avoid reading the thread altogether.
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Roadrunner said:Perhaps you're not getting the gist of what CAN be done in a 'new' thread...instead of posting the photos openly, links would be provided for anyone who chooses to open such photos while such a warning is also implied, therefore, leaving the decision to AD'ers if they wishes to see such photos, afterall, it's true, the photos can be disturbing and upsetting to anyone who may see those, YET, bottom line: 'It's reality'...it may or may not be something someone down the road might reconsider when it comes to abortion--
Yes, it's quite horrifying and deplorable to see such photos, but why 'hide' it? It's there and for those who wishes to see, the choice is 'theirs' to make, no need to 'censor' the acts of what abortion is or what takes place...thus, each one of us can make the choice to 'see' it or not if such links were provided...while others can simply avoid reading the thread altogether.
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About a "new" thread : Well, you have to remember that everyone's opinions/POV/experiences are not the same. I am just sayin' my piece - my opinion through my experience and what I feel about graphics itself. That's all. I will let others ( ADers ) to voice theirs.
I've noticed that to some people who experienced through all this ( abortion ), they wouldn't create a thread...so, that's probably why it never happened to Angel like it did to others. Miscarriage and abortion are different - not the same.
Ok, I am lettin' others to share their voices. Hope things will go well afterwards.
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Angel, I am sorry that this is making you feel awful - I know it was not your intention at all. Please be reassured that I don't think or feel that way about you.
To all the others -
I will tell you my experience - as I stated before, I had to have an abortion because the baby died in my womb and had to be taken out. Otherwise, it would have become a serious health concern for me.
Now, that I've prepared the tableau for you -
On the first day at the clinic, I had to go to "counseling." I was asked if it was what I wanted to do, even though I told them the baby had died and it was under doctor's orders to have it removed. I was shown pictures and a short video clip of the procedures, including some of the pictures that were shown on the earlier thread.
They told me it was common procedure, and that every woman going through an abortion had to go through it, even those in my situation.
In some cases, some did change their minds and decided not to go through it. For most of us that did not change our minds, we were required to sign release papers and necessary paperwork.
Then the procedure itself...I can tell you it is not a pleasant experience. Period.
I remember sitting in the recovery room, waiting to be released, and there was a young lady there, crying her eyes out - she said that if she could have, she would have gone through the pregancy, but she had been forced to have it because her father did not like the father of the baby, as he was of a "different race." As it is, the video clip will always stick out in her mind, is what she said.
Now - after seeing what was there, and I can tell you, I did not linger long, but scrolled down rather quickly...I did recognize some of the pictures, and was not aware that they were now online.
After talking to some people, I found out that what my clinic did was not standard practice all over - some clinics do not even show anything or have the women go through counseling or interact with a caregiver before the actual action. That might give you an idea of why this would upset some people, because they were not just prepared.
Another thing - and this is pretty much off topic - what makes the day stand out in my mind was the crowd outside during the same day the procedure was done on me... and the crowd was not one of those friendly crowds...it was a very angry, loud and pushy crowd. I'm serious. I was already pretty much weak and drained, and was just not prepared. I had my mother and a guard walking with me to the car, and one of the demonstrators stepped over the line, walked right into my face, spit in my face, called me a murderer and pushed me so HARD that I fell on the sidewalk, despite that the guard and my mother were holding on to me - and one of the people hit the guard over the head with her sign - HARD enough for him to have stitches put in his forehead. My mother did not get hurt, but got jostled pretty badly and her car suffered some damage to the body and windshield.
Can you imagine that young lady going through the same crowd? I don't know what happened, because she was still there when I left - and I did see police cars on the way while I was trying to get into my mom's car.
I hope you can understand why many of us who have had abortions, would not want to be reminded of what happened, because of the memories, or not having had the counseling or therapy, or maybe even because of what happened afterwards, as I did.
Heath, if you really, really wanted to see the pictures for yourself, you could have Googled it yourself...and I do hope you have the decency and the humanity not to post them here yourself.
Angel, my sweetie, please do not blame yourself. Hear me? It is not your fault, ok? I do not blame you and I know the others are not blaming you. You thought they were educational, and I do understand that.
Angel, I am sorry that this is making you feel awful - I know it was not your intention at all. Please be reassured that I don't think or feel that way about you.
To all the others -
I will tell you my experience - as I stated before, I had to have an abortion because the baby died in my womb and had to be taken out. Otherwise, it would have become a serious health concern for me.
Now, that I've prepared the tableau for you -
On the first day at the clinic, I had to go to "counseling." I was asked if it was what I wanted to do, even though I told them the baby had died and it was under doctor's orders to have it removed. I was shown pictures and a short video clip of the procedures, including some of the pictures that were shown on the earlier thread.
They told me it was common procedure, and that every woman going through an abortion had to go through it, even those in my situation.
In some cases, some did change their minds and decided not to go through it. For most of us that did not change our minds, we were required to sign release papers and necessary paperwork.
Then the procedure itself...I can tell you it is not a pleasant experience. Period.
I remember sitting in the recovery room, waiting to be released, and there was a young lady there, crying her eyes out - she said that if she could have, she would have gone through the pregancy, but she had been forced to have it because her father did not like the father of the baby, as he was of a "different race." As it is, the video clip will always stick out in her mind, is what she said.
Now - after seeing what was there, and I can tell you, I did not linger long, but scrolled down rather quickly...I did recognize some of the pictures, and was not aware that they were now online.
After talking to some people, I found out that what my clinic did was not standard practice all over - some clinics do not even show anything or have the women go through counseling or interact with a caregiver before the actual action. That might give you an idea of why this would upset some people, because they were not just prepared.
Another thing - and this is pretty much off topic - what makes the day stand out in my mind was the crowd outside during the same day the procedure was done on me... and the crowd was not one of those friendly crowds...it was a very angry, loud and pushy crowd. I'm serious. I was already pretty much weak and drained, and was just not prepared. I had my mother and a guard walking with me to the car, and one of the demonstrators stepped over the line, walked right into my face, spit in my face, called me a murderer and pushed me so HARD that I fell on the sidewalk, despite that the guard and my mother were holding on to me - and one of the people hit the guard over the head with her sign - HARD enough for him to have stitches put in his forehead. My mother did not get hurt, but got jostled pretty badly and her car suffered some damage to the body and windshield.
Can you imagine that young lady going through the same crowd? I don't know what happened, because she was still there when I left - and I did see police cars on the way while I was trying to get into my mom's car.
I hope you can understand why many of us who have had abortions, would not want to be reminded of what happened, because of the memories, or not having had the counseling or therapy, or maybe even because of what happened afterwards, as I did.
Heath, if you really, really wanted to see the pictures for yourself, you could have Googled it yourself...and I do hope you have the decency and the humanity not to post them here yourself.
Angel, my sweetie, please do not blame yourself. Hear me? It is not your fault, ok? I do not blame you and I know the others are not blaming you. You thought they were educational, and I do understand that.
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