Violent game law falls in Supreme Court

Babyblue said:
Based on the rating is what should regulate what age you have to be to purchase it.

Not to allow minors to buy it, regarding what the ratings are.
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So do you have an issue with how movie ratings are handled? This is how video games are currently handled, as well.

Reba said:
I never said they should be banned from the market place. I said their purchase by minors should be regulated. However, the Supreme Court doesn't agree.
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They're already regulated. Look into the ESRB.

Babyblue said:
*nodding* I agree, The loophole will be there. The industry is all about money, and does not care what the effects are on children.
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Well, we are talking about businesses. That's what they exist for - to make money. Caring about the effects their products have only comes into effect when the customers also care about them and can impact their profits. Always.
 
saywhatkid said:
It needs to be regulated, not banned. Banning violent games is not what I would like, same as I am against banning violent movies or alcohol or tobacco. This striking down of the regulations is what I don't agree with. Will it stop here? Will the porn industry make a pitch for equal access? Will Joe Camel return as a video game hero?
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This was striking down additional, unnecessary regulations. The ESRB already provides a self-regulation which is just as effective as the ratings board for movies.
 
StSapphire said:
Well of course big businesses won. You've inaccurately described the businesses, though, and this specific decision had more to do with allowing violence than sexual materials, since sexual materials don't sell anywhere near as well due to our cultural taboos.
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Not just the adult film industry; try cigarettes and beer and that type of thing as well. Product placement.
But again, you are assuming as well as I am. In Grand Theft Auto, I forget which version, there is a code for viewing a sexual encounter. The game is rated "M" but if kids can buy that game, they can easily access the sexual part.
 
StSapphire said:
This was striking down additional, unnecessary regulations. The ESRB already provides a self-regulation which is just as effective as the ratings board for movies.
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HUH? What good is a rating if the store sells it to minors? Is the ESRB standing at Target to "card" customers?
 
saywhatkid said:
Not just the adult film industry; try cigarettes and beer and that type of thing as well. Product placement.
But again, you are assuming as well as I am. In Grand Theft Auto, I forget which version, there is a code for viewing a sexual encounter. The game is rated "M" but if kids can buy that game, they can easily access the sexual part.
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No, you're arguing from misinformation. You can buy a third party device and access content which was removed entirely from the game. That is not "easily accessible" and arguing that it is is just plain dishonest.

And the "big businesses" I was talking about was companies like Sony, Microsoft, Electronic Arts, Target, Gamestop, Walmart, etc.
 
saywhatkid said:
HUH? What good is a rating if the store sells it to minors? Is the ESRB standing at Target to "card" customers?
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Go find yourself a minor, and give them $50, and ask them to buy you a copy of GTA from Target. Let me know how that works out for you.
 
StSapphire said:
Go find yourself a minor, and give them $50, and ask them to buy you a copy of GTA from Target. Let me know how that works out for you.
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That would set a fine example, wouldn't it?

SC has ruled. What a world...:sadwave:
 
Having a law to regulate on minor for sales of games are just ridiculous, even minor law in CA doesn't cover films either. Almost all retailers won't sell the games to minor, especially M-rated games and AO-rated games are banned in most retail due to retail policies.

I disagree with stupid red sticker saying 18 on all games that considered as violent, even Zelda gets 18 instread of E or T, even can't imagine if Super Mario Galaxy gets 18 because of some violent, etc. We do have ESRB, that's good enough and all console makers require all games to be rated or will not licensed.

Oh, our government is shrinking, thanks to Antonin Scalia. j/k :lol:
 
Reba said:
Does that prohibit minors from buying certain games?
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No, ESRB rating helped retailers to know about rating on games so they won't sell to minors, it is their store policy.
 
StSapphire said:
I actually missed that link, sorry. Went back and re-read it now.

So you've got one story of a crazy parent doing something that could probably be conceived of as child abuse, and so because of that, you want to make a broad class of actions illegal. Gotcha.
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It's not just one story... Happens more than you think. It needs to be regulated.

But I understand what you are saying. You are all for unregulating M rated games and allowing children to purchase them. Then you conradicted what I stated about porn should be regulated to protect children.



I agree sex should not be taboo. It is something beautiful between two people that love each other. Not just people having orgies and rambing objects up each others rear end. Such as what porn movies shows.

Why do you think Porn should not be regulated to protect children???
 
Reba said:
I never said they should be banned from the market place. I said their purchase by minors should be regulated. However, the Supreme Court doesn't agree.
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My post was for BabyBlue's #31, I never meant to reply to yours
 
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Babyblue said:
...I agree sex should not be taboo. It is something beautiful between two people that love each other. Not just people having orgies and rambing objects up each others rear end. Such as what porn movies shows....
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Exactly. People don't buy porn to see stories of loving relationships. They buy it for the unrealistic fantasies they provide. Ironically, StSapphire posted in another thread that women are influenced by Disney movies of "true love" fantasies. :lol: Apparently he thinks that porn fantasies are better viewing for life lessons than the Disney fantasies.
 
rolling7 said:
My post was for BabyBlue's #31, I never meant to reply to yours
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Like I said before. Regulation.. I am not talking about banning the items.

According the the link I read most retail stores do not sell to minors. Even though some minors do slip by and purchase them.
 
Babyblue said:
It's not just one story... Happens more than you think. It needs to be regulated.
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I've not seen anything showing that making sexual contents of media no longer illegal to purchase or own by minors in any way increases child abuse, sexual deviancy (unless you think dirty things like blowjobs are "deviant"), or any of the other bogeymen mentioned.

As I've pointed out, self-regulation certainly can work. It doesn't have to be government enforced.

Babyblue said:
But I understand what you are saying. You are all for unregulating M rated games and allowing children to purchase them. Then you conradicted what I stated about porn should be regulated to protect children.
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I'm in favor of keeping forms of media self-regulated, as they are. I don't see the need for increased government regulation, which eventually leads to crap like the FCC who slaps million dollar fines on TV stations when they let a character say "fuck" or something else stupid like that.

So to clarify, no, I don't especially think young children should be purchasing M-rated video games, R-rated movies, or anything similar to that. But at the same time, I don't think the government needs to step in to regulate it, especially when the primary reason the government regulations are being created is because of the medium, rather than the content. If the proponents of this law equally tried to force the government to regulate the sale of books, movies, magazines, music, etc, then I'd still oppose it, but for different reasons. This law was for the purpose of treating video games inherently differently from other forms of media.

Babyblue said:
I agree sex should not be taboo. It is something beautiful between two people that love each other. Not just people having orgies and rambing objects up each others rear end. Such as what porn movies shows.

Why do you think Porn should not be regulated to protect children???
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Because "IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN" isn't a persuasive argument, especially when you don't give a valid reason as to how it's harming children. A couple of news stories about crazy people isn't a valid reason, either.

I agree that sex isn't necessarily what porn shows, just as much as I agree that love isn't what Disney shows and people aren't what reality TV shows.
 
Reba said:
Exactly. People don't buy porn to see stories of loving relationships. They buy it for the unrealistic fantasies they provide. Ironically, StSapphire posted in another thread that women are influenced by Disney movies of "true love" fantasies. :lol: Apparently he thinks that porn fantasies are better viewing for life lessons than the Disney fantasies.
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I think everyone would be better off if the difference between "fiction" and "reality" was better understood by everyone, everywhere. :lol:

However, I don't forsee many people watching porn for the "life lessons". Whereas many parents do show Disney movies to their children for the "life lessons".

Babyblue said:
Like I said before. Regulation.. I am not talking about banning the items.

According the the link I read most retail stores do not sell to minors. Even though some minors do slip by and purchase them.
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Self-regulation appears to be doing fine, which is why I do not support increased governmental regulation. And yes, some kids can sneak in and buy a game. The same could probably be said with cigarettes, as well, though I don't have the numbers for that offhand, and cigarettes are far more harmful than some movies or video games.
 
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