Violent game law falls in Supreme Court

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The Supreme Court today sided with the gaming industry in the case of Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association (formerly Schwarzenegger v. Entertainment Merchants Association), ruling that a California law preventing retailers from selling violent games to children was unconstitutional.

In a decision penned by Justice Antonin Scalia, the Court ruled, "The most basic principle--that government lacks the power to restrict expression because of its message, ideas, subject matter, or content--is subject to a few limited exceptions for historically unprotected speech, such as obscenity, incitement, and fighting words. But a legislature cannot create new categories of unprotected speech simply by weighing the value of a particular category against its social costs and then punishing it if it fails the test."

Scalia went on to note that the US has no tradition of protecting children from violent media, calling California's claim that the interactivity of games makes them a special case "unpersuasive." However, he did acknowledge that the substance of violent games was often lacking when compared to the often-violent literary classics the industry has held up to make its case.

"Reading Dante is unquestionably more cultured and intellectually edifying than playing Mortal Kombat," Scalia ruled, "but these cultural and intellectual differences are not constitutional ones."

"For better or worse, our society has long regarded many depictions of killing and maiming as suitable features of popular entertainment, including entertainment that is widely available to minors," Justice Samuel Alito concurred.

The decision was 7-2, with Justices Clarence Thomas and Stephen Breyer filing dissenting opinions.

In his dissenting opinion, Justice Thomas said the First Amendment of the Constitution was never intended to give minors the right to access speech against the wishes of their parents or guardians. "The historical evidence shows that the founding generation believed parents had absolute authority over their minor children and expected parents to use that authority to direct the proper development of their children," Justice Thomas wrote. "It would be absurd to suggest that such a society understood 'the freedom of speech' to include a right to speak to minors (or a corresponding right of minors to access speech) without going through the minors' parents."

Thomas pointed to the patriarchal family unit held up by the Puritans as an example of attitudes the country's founding fathers would have had toward their children, noting, "Puritans thought children were 'innately sinful and that parents' primary task was to suppress their children's natural depravity."

As for Justice Breyer's dissent, he objected to the notion expressed by Justice Alito that the law was unconstitutionally vague compared to existing sex-related obscenity laws that have been ruled constitutional.

"Why are the words 'kill,' 'maim,' and 'dismember' any more difficult to understand than the word 'nudity,'" Breyer asked.

Breyer also agreed with the state of California's argument that the interactivity of games made them fundamentally different from books, movies, or other media. He also agreed that the research the state presented made a compelling case for the restriction of violent games, calling its evidence "considerably stronger" than that used as the basis for current obscenity laws to show that sexual depictions could be harmful to minors.

The bill sought to ban the sale or rental of "violent video games" to children. A "violent" game was defined as a "game in which the range of options available to a player includes killing, maiming, dismembering, or sexually assaulting an image of a human being."

Under the law, retailers that sold such games would be subject to a $1,000 fine. The bill would also have required "violent" video games to bear a two-inch-by-two-inch sticker with a "solid white '18' outlined in black" on their front covers. That's more than twice the size of the labels that currently adorn game-box covers and display the familiar Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) rating.

Shortly after California Assembly Bill 1179 was signed into law by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2005, it was challenged in court before it could take effect. In 2007, the circuit court judge who struck down the law as unconstitutional admitted he was "sympathetic to what the legislature sought to do." Last year, an appellate court judge backed up the original ruling.

For more, check out the Supreme Court's full decision, as well as GameSpot's extended feature coverage of the Supreme Court case.

Violent game law falls in Supreme Court - News at GameSpot
 
Good, government need to keep their hand off with video game companies and ESRB is good enough.

It is parent's choice to whatever with games.

We are no Germany or Australia that where rating system is owned by government and there are regulation on games.
 
Good, government need to keep their hand off with video game companies and ESRB is good enough.

It is parent's choice to whatever with games.

We are no Germany or Australia that where rating system is owned by government and there are regulation on games like porn games are banned.

Actually, it has nothing to do with the parents. You see, the law itself is to prevent the retailers from selling M-rated games to children (minors). The law itself makes sense. The parents still can buy the games for their children.
 
Actually, it has nothing to do with the parents. You see, the law itself is to prevent the retailers from selling M-rated games to children (minors). The law itself makes sense. The parents still can buy the games for their children.

but it is unconstitutional by US Supreme Court, anyway.
 
Actually, it has nothing to do with the parents. You see, the law itself is to prevent the retailers from selling M-rated games to children (minors). The law itself makes sense. The parents still can buy the games for their children.

It doesn't make as much sense when you realize that other things with ratings (such as R-rated movies) do not contain legal punishments. They're self-regulated.

Mind you, I'm likely of a minority opinion, because I don't think anything (obscenity, pornography, etc) should be "banned" by law.
 
I notice that many major retailers accept to sell unrated movies but not for games because console makers won't license the game if it is unrated but I'm sure that PC version can so dunno with store policies about selling unrated PC games.
 
It doesn't make as much sense when you realize that other things with ratings (such as R-rated movies) do not contain legal punishments. They're self-regulated.

Mind you, I'm likely of a minority opinion, because I don't think anything (obscenity, pornography, etc) should be "banned" by law.

Laws need to be made to protect children from Obscenities and Pornography.
 
It doesn't make as much sense when you realize that other things with ratings (such as R-rated movies) do not contain legal punishments. They're self-regulated.

Mind you, I'm likely of a minority opinion, because I don't think anything (obscenity, pornography, etc) should be "banned" by law.

That's why it should be up to the parents to buy them or not. It shouldn't be up to the minors. Minors aren't allowed to buy pornographic materials, alcoholic beverages and cigarettes until of a certain age. So why should they make an exception with the video games?

Like I said, it should be up to the parents to buy them or not.
 
Laws need to be made to protect children from Obscenities and Pornography.

No they don't.

That's why it should be up to the parents to buy them or not. It shouldn't be up to the minors. Minors aren't allowed to buy pornographic materials, alcoholic beverages and cigarettes until of a certain age. So why should they make an exception with the video games?

Like I said, it should be up to the parents to buy them or not.

What?

First off, you're conflating certain objects with "objectionable contents" (ie violent video games and pornographic materials) with literally physically harmful substances (alcohol and cigarettes). Those are not the same.

Secondly, my point was that minors should be (legally) allowed to buy pornographic materials, possibly assisted by self-regulation such as movies and video games, such as currently exists. So pornographic films, I think, should simply be rated R, a rating system for books and magazines, if deemed necessary, could be created, with pornographic magazines having the highest rating equal to magazines which show violence.

I also don't think that any materials should be rated higher merely for inclusion of profanity.
 
No they don't..

Children buying porn should be allowed? So you are saying laws should not be created to protect children from porn??

Child Porn rings a bell??? Those laws are made to prevent children from being exploited.






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What?

First off, you're conflating certain objects with "objectionable contents" (ie violent video games and pornographic materials) with literally physically harmful substances (alcohol and cigarettes). Those are not the same.

Secondly, my point was that minors should be (legally) allowed to buy pornographic materials, possibly assisted by self-regulation such as movies and video games, such as currently exists. So pornographic films, I think, should simply be rated R, a rating system for books and magazines, if deemed necessary, could be created, with pornographic magazines having the highest rating equal to magazines which show violence.

I also don't think that any materials should be rated higher merely for inclusion of profanity.

Like I said, it should be up to the parents, not the minors. There is a reason why they are called minors.
 
Children buying porn should be allowed? So you are saying laws should not be created to protect children from porn??

Child Porn rings a bell??? Those laws are made to prevent children from being exploited.



:ugh: OOOKKKKK
Not everyone cares about protecting children.
 
It's obvious how much respect the Entertainment Merchants Association has for the parents. Money talks, nothing else matters.
 
Totally nutty decision. The bill wasn't trying to ban the games. It was only trying to control their direct purchase by minors.
 
It doesn't make as much sense when you realize that other things with ratings (such as R-rated movies) do not contain legal punishments. They're self-regulated.

Mind you, I'm likely of a minority opinion, because I don't think anything (obscenity, pornography, etc) should be "banned" by law.

No you are not, I'm on your side here and agree with you. It all falls down to individual responsibility, and in the case of a minor the parent(s).
 
Totally nutty decision. The bill wasn't trying to ban the games. It was only trying to control their direct purchase by minors.

Right, what's the big deal? If the minors can't buy them, the parents can buy them instead.
 
I'd rather have children look at porn than look at blood and gore. We have plenty of the latter on the television screen but you don't see the former. Just saying.
 
I'd rather have children look at porn than look at blood and gore. We have plenty of the latter on the television screen but you don't see the former. Just saying.

V-Chip can come in handy, and parents should be in control of what their children are watching on the TV in their homes. The law was created to prevent the minors from buying the game, but the parents still can buy them. It's the gaming industry that is fighting the law. What is their primary reason for fighting the law? That it is unconstitutional? It made me laugh because I know that's not the real reason. Are you aware that you cannot bring back the game for a refund after it's opened? New games vary from $40 to $70. It's the same with movies, you can't return them for a refund once they are opened. It's stupid if you ask me.
 
I rather for children not to see any of that crap. Isn't their enough of that all around with out having to purchase it in a game or movie??

Parential control..... Use it!

I know you can not protect children from all the stuff is out there but I can not just see myself just throwing in extras for my kids to see.
 
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