Violent game law falls in Supreme Court

[Reba]

I'd rather have children look at porn than look at blood and gore. We have plenty of the latter on the television screen but you don't see the former. Just saying.

Why should they look at either?

 

[StSapphire]

Children buying porn should be allowed? So you are saying laws should not be created to protect children from porn??

Correct. I think parents, if they don't want their children looking at that material, should be responsible. I do not think that there should or needs to be laws in place, and the implication (that sexual material is as bad or worse than violent materials) from the current laws is one which I disagree with.

Child Porn rings a bell??? Those laws are made to prevent children from being exploited.

Um... what? We're talking about purchasing and viewing content, not creating. This would be like if I said "I think children should be allowed to see people drinking" and you saying "So you think children should be allowed to drink?"

Not the same at all. My views on the subject are relative to the mainstream extreme enough. No need to exaggerate and make up things that I don't support as well.

Like I said, it should be up to the parents, not the minors. There is a reason why they are called minors.

Then let it be up to the parents, rather than up to the government.

I rather for children not to see any of that crap. Isn't their enough of that all around with out having to purchase it in a game or movie??

Parential control..... Use it!

I know you can not protect children from all the stuff is out there but I can not just see myself just throwing in extras for my kids to see.

You're not asking for parental control, though. You're asking for governmental control. You're asking the government to do your parenting for you by making things you find objectionable illegal, so that you don't have to do the parenting yourself.

That's what I take issue with.

 

[Beowulf]

Why should they look at either?

I agree, but they have no choice but to be exposed to violence nowadays.

 

[JoeyDeafNinja]

It should be up to parents because they actually make rule to ensure that none of their children are allowed to play game such as T games or M games till they reach right age. I know somebody did make rule like that. Now he is 18 amd he finally allow to play Call of Duty

 

[JoeyDeafNinja]

Also, there kids murders now because of video games and movies.

 

[Reba]

I agree, but they have no choice but to be exposed to violence nowadays.

At home, parents can keep it to a minimum by controlling what the kids watch on TV and play on their game systems.

Being occasionally and briefly exposed to violence on a screen is not the same as continual exposure during hours of daily game playing, and with the child holding the controls that make him the perpetrator of that violence. He's not just seeing someone killed on screen; he's doing the killing, in gloriously realistic gore.

 

[Babyblue]

Correct. I think parents, if they don't want their children looking at that material, should be responsible. I do not think that there should or needs to be laws in place, and the implication (that sexual material is as bad or worse than violent materials) from the current laws is one which I disagree with.

I feel laws should regulate minors from purchasing certain materials. I also feel parents should also regulate what their children are watching.

Um... what? We're talking about purchasing and viewing content, not creating. This would be like if I said "I think children should be allowed to see people drinking" and you saying "So you think children should be allowed to drink?"

I never said creating it either. It is still exploiting children when they are forced or allowed to watch.

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Not the same at all. My views on the subject are relative to the mainstream extreme enough. No need to exaggerate and make up things that I don't support as well.

I'm not exagerrating.. I am explaining that is why we need laws. Too many loop holes.

Then let it be up to the parents, rather than up to the government.



You're not asking for parental control, though. You're asking for governmental control. You're asking the government to do your parenting for you by making things you find objectionable illegal, so that you don't have to do the parenting yourself.

That's what I take issue with.

It should be up to the parents and regulated by government since some parents are so irresponsible and should not even to be allowed to breed.

 

[JoeyDeafNinja]

" some parents are so irresponsible and should not even to be allowed to breed. "

-I definely agree with this.

 

[StSapphire]

At home, parents can keep it to a minimum by controlling what the kids watch on TV and play on their game systems.

Being occasionally and briefly exposed to violence on a screen is not the same as continual exposure during hours of daily game playing, and with the child holding the controls that make him the perpetrator of that violence. He's not just seeing someone killed on screen; he's doing the killing, in gloriously realistic gore.

The science does not back this up. Playing violent video games does not produce violent behavior in minors.

I feel laws should regulate minors from purchasing certain materials. I also feel parents should also regulate what their children are watching.

I disagree with your first statement and agree with your second one.

I never said creating it either. It is still exploiting children when they are forced or allowed to watch.

Uh... what? You brought up kiddie porn, which is children making pornography. Which is entirely different from viewing pornographic materials. And where did "forcing children to watch" anything at all come from?

I'm not exagerrating.. I am explaining that is why we need laws. Too many loop holes.

You were exaggerating my position, by equating "allowed to watch" with "allowed to produce". That's not a loophole or anything even remotely similar. That's just a blatant misrepresentation of what I said.

It should be up to the parents and regulated by government since some parents are so irresponsible and should not even to be allowed to breed.

Then address your root issue and make the government regulate who is allowed to procreate. I'm sure there would be no unintended side effects of that, either.

 

[Reba]

The science does not back this up. Playing violent video games does not produce violent behavior in minors.

I didn't say that, did I? It can have negative influence on youngsters, and that can be manifested in various ways.

 

[Babyblue]

Uh... what? You brought up kiddie porn, which is children making pornography. Which is entirely different from viewing pornographic materials. And where did "forcing children to watch" anything at all come from?

Did you read the link? Loop hole.. since it was not regulated what that man did was not a crime, by having his children watch that crap.

Laws that are not regulated to protect children from purchasing, watching obscenities ends up with children being exploited.

You were exaggerating my position, by equating "allowed to watch" with "allowed to produce". That's not a loophole or anything even remotely similar. That's just a blatant misrepresentation of what I said

You are the one that brought up Porn in the first place. I was just shocked that you felt it should not be regulated.

 

[Steel X]

ESRB done their jobs to rate the games. next is the parents' job to look at what game is best for their child. Last is to look for anyone to blame, blame the parents for their lack of knowledge on ESRB.

 

[rolling7]

It is, along with many other, regulated but as StSapphire and I agree it should not be "banned". There is a whole world of difference between the two.

 

[Smithtr]

it is serious dangerous because aggressive on games video, I study it not good health because too much your emotional and mind! frustrated on games video I think so look like punishment to kids, If supposed force to parents said not allow because treat to behavior otherwise, not joke play fun enjoy, implentation to people violent to want to learn serious sound that high exploit and aggressive , follow on g - rated or exactly
clean up on protect to make sure correct

 

[saywhatkid]

Well, I can see this becoming a way for adult-type industries to tap into the video game porthole for accessing children. Kids seeing nudity, fornication, etc in a video game, will be affected. All I can see here is that big business has won the day.

BTW, I played video games from the days of Odyssey and Pong through PS3. I know the industry well. The ESRB was a good start, but what good is it now? Seems that an "M" rating will attract youngsters. Might as well do away with that system.

 

[Babyblue]

ESRB done their jobs to rate the games. next is the parents' job to look at what game is best for their child. Last is to look for anyone to blame, blame the parents for their lack of knowledge on ESRB.

Based on the rating is what should regulate what age you have to be to purchase it.

Not to allow minors to buy it, regarding what the ratings are.

 

[Reba]

It is, along with many other, regulated but as StSapphire and I agree it should not be "banned". There is a whole world of difference between the two.

I never said they should be banned from the market place. I said their purchase by minors should be regulated. However, the Supreme Court doesn't agree.

 

[Babyblue]

Well, I can see this becoming a way for adult-type industries to tap into the video game porthole for accessing children. Kids seeing nudity, fornication, etc in a video game, will be affected. All I can see here is that big business has won the day.

BTW, I played video games from the days of Odyssey and Pong through PS3. I know the industry well. The ESRB was a good start, but what good is it now? Seems that an "M" rating will attract youngsters. Might as well do away with that system.

*nodding* I agree, The loophole will be there. The industry is all about money, and does not care what the effects are on children.

 

[StSapphire]

Did you read the link? Loop hole.. since it was not regulated what that man did was not a crime, by having his children watch that crap.

Laws that are not regulated to protect children from purchasing, watching obscenities ends up with children being exploited.

I actually missed that link, sorry. Went back and re-read it now.

So you've got one story of a crazy parent doing something that could probably be conceived of as child abuse, and so because of that, you want to make a broad class of actions illegal. Gotcha.

You are the one that brought up Porn in the first place. I was just shocked that you felt it should not be regulated.

Not as much as it currently is, I view the current regulations of pornographic materials as one of the strong things keeping "sex" a taboo in our society, which I don't approve of. And like I said, I don't think it should be any more "regulated" (in terms of who can purchase it) than other movies are (which aren't illegal to purchase by minors, retailers are self-regulated.)

Well, I can see this becoming a way for adult-type industries to tap into the video game porthole for accessing children. Kids seeing nudity, fornication, etc in a video game, will be affected. All I can see here is that big business has won the day.

Well of course big businesses won. You've inaccurately described the businesses, though, and this specific decision had more to do with allowing violence than sexual materials, since sexual materials don't sell anywhere near as well due to our cultural taboos.

 

[saywhatkid]

It needs to be regulated, not banned. Banning violent games is not what I would like, same as I am against banning violent movies or alcohol or tobacco. This striking down of the regulations is what I don't agree with. Will it stop here? Will the porn industry make a pitch for equal access? Will Joe Camel return as a video game hero?