Unrest in Egypt; cell phone and internet cut

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And huge kudos to like 98% of their citizens...check out this pic...made my eyes tear up:

Christians protecting Muslims during prayers:

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Could you post the link to that picture?
 
It is like Humans vs Zombies in protest. Things looks very ugly in there.
 
I keep wondering how we are getting these pictures if the internet has been cut off.
 
The time has come. The election is only seven months from now. That doesn't leave much time for a potential leader to be vetted and campaign.

If more pro-Mubarak voters choose a leader who is pro-Mubark, will the anti-Mubarak protesters accept that?
Can't imagine that. Another question, will other countries, including US, accept a real and free election in egypt, or try to control it into their direction?
 
Can't imagine that. Another question, will other countries, including US, accept a real and free election in egypt, or try to control it into their direction?

The reason why this happened is because they did not want the American puppet in Egypt. Mubarak is the American puppet.
 
I keep wondering how we are getting these pictures if the internet has been cut off.

Dial-up and Landline. The government shut down only Internet and cellphone service.

Egypt's low-tech solutions to high-tech censorship | PRI.ORG
Telecomix helps people get around Internet censorship. Last Friday, the group decided to try to re-establish Internet access for Egyptians by asking European Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to free up lines once used for dial-up access.

The European ISPs did so free of charge, and Walck said Telecomix started distributing the access numbers by any means necessary -- even by fax -- to Egyptians.

"We've had nice ISPs around Europe open up those modem pools that are normally closed down, and provide them without any cost."

When the Internet went dark, he figured that cell phones would quickly follow, so he called friends and acquaintances in Egypt and got landline numbers for them. When the cell phones were cut, he started calling Egypt -- on his own dime.
 
My bet is satelitte internet, by dishes hidden on the balcony.

could be but I doubt it. since government shut down internet, that would render satellite internet useless unless somebody has a big fat pocket to use international-version satellite internet.... typically news stations.
 
New Service Lets Voices From Egypt Be Heard
With the unruly sounds of protests in the background, the Egyptian man declared there were 50,000 demonstrators in the streets of Cairo.

“And the number is growing,” he said, raising his voice to be heard on the recording.

Unedited, raw, anonymous and emotional, Egyptian voices are trickling out through a new service that evades attempts by the authorities to suppress them by cutting Internet services.

There is still some cellphone service, so a new social-media link that marries Google, Twitter and SayNow, a voice-based social media platform, gives Egyptians three phone numbers to call and leave a message, which is then posted on the Internet as a recorded Twitter message. The messages are at twitter.com/speak2tweet and can also be heard by telephone.

The result is a story of a revolution unfolding in short bursts. Sometimes speaking for just several seconds, other times for more than a minute, the disembodied voices convey highly charged moments of excitement or calm declarations of what life is like in Egypt, the Arab world’s most populous country, as it seeks to remove its leader.

The messages rolled out as Egyptians seemed to be approaching a crucial point, with hundreds of thousands of people crammed into central Cairo on Tuesday, as protests continued to demand the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak.

Protesters have sought to use social media like Facebook and Twitter to muster momentum for attendance at demonstrations, even as the Egyptian authorities have shut off Internet access.

“Urgent news,” one caller to speak2tweet said. “The police have changed to serve the people. We are very happy.”

As of Tuesday afternoon, the account had more than 8,000 followers. On Tuesday, the service started to identify the country from which each recorded message came. While most were from Egypt, they included calls from Germany and the United States in Arabic and English, and messages from Arabic speakers in the Netherlands and Turkey.

It was clear that support for the uprising in Egypt had crossed borders.

“I live in Jordan,” said one man, urging on the demonstrators in a crackly recording. “I want to congratulate Egyptians on their popular revolution.”

One man calling from the United States criticized what appeared to him to be the double standard of democracies that support a “dictator who ruled for 30 years.”

“If you don’t stand with the people who are looking for freedom, they are not going to believe any more of everything you say about democracy and freedom,” the man said.

Another man, speaking for several seconds, introduced himself as an Egyptian engineer named Wael. Without a trace of irony in a message that could potentially be heard by millions, he voiced dismay over cuts to the Internet.

But no Internet connection is needed for speak2tweet, and in Egypt there was some phone service. Vodafone was working for text and voice on Tuesday, while AT&T BlackBerry users said MobiNil was working. Callers in Egypt had three numbers to leave recorded messages, based in the United States at 1-650-419-4196, in Italy at (39-06) 6220-7294 and in Bahrain at (973) 1619-9855.

Then the service will instantly send the recorded call as a Twitter message using the hashtag #egypt. They are subject to international calling charges, but Google and SayNow, which announced last month that it had been acquired by Google, are also exploring the possibility of setting up a local phone number in Egypt, a person close to the project said Tuesday.

“Like many people, we’ve been glued to the news unfolding in Egypt and thinking of what we could do to help people on the ground,” said a joint statement posted Monday by Ujjwal Singh, the co-founder of SayNow, and AbdelKarim Mardini, Google’s product manager for the Middle East and North Africa.

“Over the weekend, we came up with the idea of a speak-to-tweet service — the ability for anyone to tweet using just a voice connection,” the statement said.

“We hope that this will go some way to helping people in Egypt stay connected at this very difficult time. Our thoughts are with everyone there.”
 
The reason why this happened is because they did not want the American puppet in Egypt. Mubarak is the American puppet.
If Mubarak is the American puppet, then why does Obama want him out?
 
that's for them to decide, not us.

By them you mean the people of Egypt?

I was talking how unusual it is for the military of the country (not police force; big difference) to be as patient as they were.... Who controls the military? Wouldnt most autocratic regimes turn on their citizenry with police force first and then the military?

There wasn't a chance Egypt would become a police state because it implies the person or people who controls them has changed hands of power (which now I just think of - there is a new prime minister; usually assigned to domestic affairs and control of police force)

Depends on how their constitution and laws are set up but I think it's a different situation now and need to re-evaluate measurements that would lead you to believe Egypt is a police state.
 
If Mubarak is the American puppet, then why does Obama want him out?

because it's too obvious -

1. situation isn't getting any better as long as Mubarak's in office - a serious threat to peace in Middle East. It's making America and Israel very nervous

2. it's so ironic that Mubarak is the American puppet... and yet.. they said nothing about democracy and election. Makes you wonder why he's been in office for over 30 years.

3. Egypt can go down in either way - another American puppet or military state like before
 
By them you mean the people of Egypt?
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I was talking how unusual it is for the military of the country (not police force; big difference) to be as patient as they were.... Who controls the military? Wouldnt most autocratic regimes turn on their citizenry with police force first and then the military?
Egypt is not a "autocratic regime". and Mubarak is the Supreme Commander of military.

There wasn't a chance Egypt would become a police state because it implies the person or people who controls them has changed hands of power (which now I just think of - there is a new prime minister; usually assigned to domestic affairs and control of police force)

Depends on how their constitution and laws are set up but I think it's a different situation now and need to re-evaluate measurements that would lead you to believe Egypt is a police state.
Don't confuse "Police State" as something like North Korea or Dictatorship. In Egypt's case, it's different. very different especially in Muslim world.

It's an extremely sensitive relationship between political leader (ie. President, Prime Minister) and Commander-in-Chief. In America - POTUS is both head of government and Commander-in-Chief. In Muslim world, there are 2 leaders - the President or King or any head of state..... and the Commander-in-Chief (but commonly known as "The General"). Obviously, the General obeys the President/Prime Minister/King but the General can overthrow one at anytime if the situation forces him to do so.

In Egypt - it is possible that the General can oust government at any time and take over to bring down the law and order in Egypt. Who knows? That's why America is working very hard to ensure that Egypt stays as democratic as possible (which can change at any time) because Egypt is America's and Israel's powerful Muslim ally in Middle East.

You know that in some case - Muslims and Jews/Americans do not go well together. When people get all hot and angry.. they get irrational and exhibit extremist view. They blame America/Israel for their poverty, poor economy, etc.... which can lead to a call for Muslim extremists to take over the government like what happened to Palestine.
 
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Egypt is not a "autocratic regime". and Mubarak is the Supreme Commander of military.


Don't confuse "Police State" as something like North Korea or Dictatorship. In Egypt's case, it's different. very different especially in Muslim world.

It's an extremely sensitive relationship between political leader (ie. President, Prime Minister) and Commander-in-Chief. In America - POTUS is both head of government and Commander-in-Chief. In Muslim world, there are 2 leaders - the President or King or any head of state..... and the Commander-in-Chief (but commonly known as "The General"). Obviously, the General obeys the President/Prime Minister/King but the General can overthrow one at anytime if the situation forces him to do so.

In Egypt - it is possible that the General can oust government at any time and take over to bring down the law and order in Egypt. Who knows? That's why America is working very hard to ensure that Egypt stays as democratic as possible (which can change at any time) because Egypt is America's and Israel's powerful Muslim ally in Middle East.

You know that in some case - Muslims and Jews/Americans do not go well together. When people get all hot and angry.. they get irrational and exhibit extremist view. They blame America/Israel for their poverty, poor economy, etc.... which can lead to a call for Muslim extremists to take over the government like what happened to Palestine.

post of the day ^
 
The news says that US and Egypt now have talks about how Omar Suleiman is going to take over Egypt until the election in september. It's unclear if Sulemain also will join the election.

A quick glance at wikipedia reveals Sulemain as "one of the world's most powerful spy chiefs", with tight relationship with the CIA. No doubt a torture boss.

Looks bad, hope it works out in the end. Middle east is one of the best places I've been to.
 
The news says that US and Egypt now have talks about how Omar Suleiman is going to take over Egypt until the election in september. It's unclear if Sulemain also will join the election.

A quick glance at wikipedia reveals Sulemain as "one of the world's most powerful spy chiefs", with tight relationship with the CIA. No doubt a torture boss.

Looks bad, hope it works out in the end. Middle east is one of the best places I've been to.

there you go. another American puppet. hope the Egyptians would accept it without resistance.
 
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