Unrest in Egypt; cell phone and internet cut

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Jiro said:
I'd like to clarify my previous posts.

I was saying that these countries like Burma, India, Egypt, etc. are constantly in turmoil largely due to religious differences and then a tension breaks out every once in a while.

What happened in China, Japan, and Korea was mainly a political war or whatnot... along with genocide and human rights abuse.
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I'm not an expert in those conflicts, but I'm pretty sure those are based more in politics than religion. I mean, Burma is run by a totalitarian socialist military junta and Egypt was being run by a dictator who was Muslim (although fairly secular for Islam). As for India, it seems that most of the conflict there is between Muslims and Hindus.
 
Jiro said:
we don't share same Buddhism belief. They follow the Indian belief... which is called Theravada. It's more of a religious approach.

My Buddhism is more of spiritual type that Korean/Chinese/Japanese follow

Interesting thing to notice - any country that follows Theravada Buddhism has a very violent, bloody history. India. Burma/Myanmar, Vietnam, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, etc.....
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Of the countries you named, only Burma, Cambodia and Laos follows Theravada.

Indonesia got some Vajrayana. Vietnam follows Mayahana, that buddhism in Korea evolved from. Buddhism in India is insignificant, and have been for a long time.
 
darkdog said:
I'm not an expert in those conflicts, but I'm pretty sure those are based more in politics than religion. I mean, Burma is run by a totalitarian socialist military junta and Egypt was being run by a dictator who was Muslim (although fairly secular for Islam). As for India, it seems that most of the conflict there is between Muslims and Hindus.
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I tend to agree with your view. If this was all about religion, we would perhaps have been dead a long time ago.

Peace loving hindus reads some extremely violent books, still, Ghandi learned us what one can do with pacifism.

The later emperors of the khmer empire of ancient camodia were mahayana buddhist, but they still enaged in war.

The powers maybe use religion to justify their actions, but it does not necessary mean it's about religion.

Two words, wealth and real estate.
 
Riots are spreading to Brahain and Yemen. We are indeed living in interesting times..
 
deafskeptic said:
There's a Chinese curse that goes "May you live in interesting times."
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Didn't know it's known as a chinese curse.

Had to google that, and it appears that the chinese part of it is disputed. That saying is not found in chinese, according to the all(?) knowing internet.

But it sounds chinese.. Typical chinese wit!
 
I wonder if such protests would be allowed in the USA. I really wonder.
 
Beowulf said:
I wonder if such protests would be allowed in the USA. I really wonder.
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Large protests have been allowed in the past, so why wouldn't they be allowed now?

Do you mean protests that go on for many days like the ones in Egypt?

Don't know if Americans have a long enough attention span to stay focused on long protests. :dunno:

Or do you mean ones where the protesters beat up and sexually assault reporters?

Or do you mean ones that call for the leaders to step down?

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "such" protests. That is, what kind of protests in America?
 
Reba said:
Large protests have been allowed in the past, so why wouldn't they be allowed now?

Do you mean protests that go on for many days like the ones in Egypt?

Don't know if Americans have a long enough attention span to stay focused on long protests. :dunno:

Or do you mean ones where the protesters beat up and sexually assault reporters?

Or do you mean ones that call for the leaders to step down?

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "such" protests. That is, what kind of protests in America?
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I can think of several protests that were immediately quashed, so they were not allowed. The Egyptian police and military force showed remarkable restraint. Perhaps we can learn from them. :)
 
Beowulf said:
I can think of several protests that were immediately quashed, so they were not allowed. The Egyptian police and military force showed remarkable restraint. Perhaps we can learn from them. :)
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Care to share what those several protests were?
 
Beowulf said:
I can think of several protests that were immediately quashed, so they were not allowed. The Egyptian police and military force showed remarkable restraint. Perhaps we can learn from them. :)
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They showed with "remarkable restraint" because it will make it easier for people to accept them as "de facto president" to take charge.

and now what happened?

1. Mubarak stepped down much earlier than we thought...
2. the military dissolved the government
3. the military suspended the Constitution
4. the military has assumed control of everything
 
Jiro said:
They showed with "remarkable restraint" because it will make it easier for people to accept them as "de facto president" to take charge.

and now what happened?

1. Mubarak stepped down much earlier than we thought...
2. the military dissolved the government
3. the military suspended the Constitution
4. the military has assumed control of everything
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Pray for electoral changes in the constitution? I'm not religious but I'd like to see political stability w/o overbearing influence.

As for other countries, same sort of make-up of high unemployment/lots of young people/huge wealth inequality. There are some big differences for sure, but it's Definitely interesting how these events unfold at very close intervals. Let's hope other protestors/governments are as peaceful as Egypt appeared to be (not *much* bloodshed).
 
craigm26 said:
Pray for electoral changes in the constitution? I'm not religious but I'd like to see political stability w/o overbearing influence.

As for other countries, same sort of make-up of high unemployment/lots of young people/huge wealth inequality. There are some big differences for sure, but it's Definitely interesting how these events unfold at very close intervals. Let's hope other protestors/governments are as peaceful as Egypt appeared to be (not *much* bloodshed).
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Agree. Those riots also have some similarities with those in europe and asia last year, regarding age of population and wealth inequality. Of course it's many differences, too.

I find it interesting that most, if not all of them were aided by communication technology and social networks, and also the massive leaks from various sources.
 
craigm26 said:
Pray for electoral changes in the constitution? I'm not religious but I'd like to see political stability w/o overbearing influence.

As for other countries, same sort of make-up of high unemployment/lots of young people/huge wealth inequality. There are some big differences for sure, but it's Definitely interesting how these events unfold at very close intervals. Let's hope other protestors/governments are as peaceful as Egypt appeared to be (not *much* bloodshed).
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flip said:
Agree. Those riots also have some similarities with those in europe and asia last year, regarding age of population and wealth inequality. Of course it's many differences, too.

I find it interesting that most, if not all of them were aided by communication technology and social networks, and also the massive leaks from various sources.
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Social engineering at its finest.
 
Reba said:
Care to share what those several protests were?
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Hmmm. I tend not to bother with "researching" any more, so I draw from my memory, which is getting dubious. :lol: Offhand, I recall the Chicago Seven; I knew Rennie Davis and listened to his stories of police brutality in the "riots." I recall the rather recent NAFTA riot which was quickly stopped by the police using some kind of armored vehicle emitting loud sounds, I forget the name of it. I have friends who told stories of police using water cannons during anti-war protests. I can think of more but will not bother putting them down. Are you saying that I am utterly wrong, that the police/government are squeaky clean?
 
Jiro said:
They showed with "remarkable restraint" because it will make it easier for people to accept them as "de facto president" to take charge.

and now what happened?

1. Mubarak stepped down much earlier than we thought...
2. the military dissolved the government
3. the military suspended the Constitution
4. the military has assumed control of everything
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Which country gains the most benefit from this?
 
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